What Is the Defense Strategy #2

[Nore]

even though cindy mentions the woods it means nothing, well not nothing, but it was speculated here by many of us, that kc must have said something, if (another speculation) as posted above kc is going to try and say ... see i havent spoken with them since, whenever, how could they know where my baby was left ergo it must be them. cindy could easily put that to bed by revealing WHY they felt the need to check this area. Remember DC or the As must have stumbled across some evidence that they have kept to themselves as to why they were looking there in the first place

I maintain thats a tactic the defense may want to consider before slinging any mud in the parents direction you just never know how the As are going to react especially now darling daughter doesnt want them in the courtroom. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned jmo

Ya have to wonder nums about it all now .... I wrote a scenario like this long, long ago. However now that the trial is going to start and all the sworn depo's and affidavits are now part of the case I cannot see this happening without the A's ending up in adjacent cells to ICA.

I still sit on that fence debating who actually murdered Caylee. I don't fence sit about any evidence that proves ICA participated in the clean up and disposal of Caylee into the woods in a laundry bag stuffed into two large black trash bags. But there isn't any reliable, verifiable evidence pointed at WHO had Caylee last. CA/GA/LA have all lied about June 15, 2008 and every date and every incident before and afterwards. None of the A's are innocent in Caylee's murder. Notta one of the bunch.

There is something more sinister that went on prior to June 15, 2008 that most of us cannot imagine. And CA wants it buried deep within histories pages. :banghead::banghead: And ICA has sat in jail for three years to hide it as well.

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angeldust, I believe you are right on this.Countzero too, :seeya:

 

[strawberry]

Does anyone here think accusing GA, LA, or CA of being the murderer will fly or does everyone think it as preposterous as I do?

 

[Tulessa]

Does anyone here think accusing GA, LA, or CA of being the murderer will fly or does everyone think it as preposterous as I do?

I don't think it will fly. JMO.

 

[LolaMoon08]

Does anyone here think accusing GA, LA, or CA of being the murderer will fly or does everyone think it as preposterous as I do?

It will NOT fly!! I actually may get Casey the death penalty.

 

[strawberry]

I'm glad you guys think so too! From all accounts, CA did most of the caregiving. She clearly loved Caylee (til she forgot about her ). LA wasn't in the picture much, and GA seemed to love Caylee immensely. I know people say ICA "was a good mother" but the rest have the real actions to back it up. I will laugh my azz off if that is in JB's opening statement as his explanation we are all supposed to finally "get".

 

[Nore]

Plus, didn't George open the windows to drive it? I know they opened it all the way once in the garage...

------------ Quiche, George did open all the windows.:seeya:

 

[momtective]

Does anyone here think accusing GA, LA, or CA of being the murderer will fly or does everyone think it as preposterous as I do?

The defense could be planning to pin Caylee's murder on someone else in Casey's family, possibly her father George.

Even the Anthonys' lawyer admits they're getting that indication.

http://www.wftv.com/news/27793602/detail.html

Maybe not so preposterous...:doh:

 

[ZsaZsa]

Any Juror with sense will find this insulting to their intelligence .
Consider the source.
Nothing we have seen from JB/CM yet has been even factually accurate,and so easily disproved, so there is no way to convince a Jury of something like this, with just innuendo.
They are way above their pay grade with this one...

 

[momtective]

Any Juror with sense will find this insulting to their intelligence .
Consider the source.
Nothing we have seen from JB/CM yet has been even factually accurate,and so easily disproved, so there is no way to convince a Jury of something like this, with just innuendo.
They are way above their pay grade with this one...

But it might create just enough reasonable doubt.
I for one would be absolutely devastated if ICA gets any less than LWOP.

 

[Frigga]

Ya have to wonder nums about it all now .... I wrote a scenario like this long, long ago. However now that the trial is going to start and all the sworn depo's and affidavits are now part of the case I cannot see this happening without the A's ending up in adjacent cells to ICA.

I still sit on that fence debating who actually murdered Caylee. I don't fence sit about any evidence that proves ICA participated in the clean up and disposal of Caylee into the woods in a laundry bag stuffed into two large black trash bags. But there isn't any reliable, verifiable evidence pointed at WHO had Caylee last. CA/GA/LA have all lied about June 15, 2008 and every date and every incident before and afterwards. None of the A's are innocent in Caylee's murder. Notta one of the bunch.

There is something more sinister that went on prior to June 15, 2008 that most of us cannot imagine. And CA wants it buried deep within histories pages. :banghead::banghead: And ICA has sat in jail for three years to hide it as well.

Count, I absolutely agree with you on this one, and I think Noddy(?) posted a similar theory in regards to this the other day. I have always thought there was a reason Cindy never called Casey out for her lies and thefts and that belief included that it was something much more than keeping Caylee around. I have often wondered if it was something of an illegal nature- nefarious for sure- that had nothing to do with "sex abuse" or "violence" in the Anthony household. Something that would keep everyone 'mum' in a situation like the one that occurred... along the lines of Casey may full well have committed a crime against Caylee (and they figured out as much), but she had something on them also- what... I have no idea, it may even include Lee somehow.

What do you think it might be when you contemplate your theories?

See, I came from a family where there was generational abuse- incest etc. but there was also some grifting (sort of an understatement), also various levels of drug dealing, drug running, drug doing and money laundering. All by a bunch of church going 'elders' and younger family members too. My mom looked like the 'church lady' from the Saturday Night Live skit and I couldn't have convinced a stranger or therapist (which I tried) that they did the things they did- they didn't 'look' like it or 'act' like it, but it was true.

The sad and interesting part of my story is that since there were various illegal activities that took place everyone sort of 'had something' on each other, so the cycle continued uninterrupted and unabated, and no one ever came clean or made a break. The other thing was , that when illegal money was made financial 'help' was given to members not directly involved in the actual illegal activities, but it served the purpose for them to keep their mouths shut too-1. they didn't want the gravy train to end, and 2. they considered they could possibly be found culpable in some way in regards to the law and breaking it too.

The Anthony's remind me so much of my family it is triggering to me at times. All of this is just theory and supposition on my part, and MOO- just wanted to finally lay it out there, for what it is worth?! I could be way off base but I do believe there is something more... much more than we know about this family!

ETA: I realize how "mafia" this sounds but it was more California/Mexico-ish.

 

[ZsaZsa]

The most frustrating thing for the Anthonys to deal with HAS to be watching JB and CM buffoons defending their daughter. If she had searched the length and breadth of Florida could she have come up with worse representation?

 

[ZsaZsa]

But it might create just enough reasonable doubt.
I for one would be absolutely devastated if ICA gets any less than LWOP.

But CM doesn't even know the documented facts of this case. He is so muddled it's going to be embarrasing to watch. JB is just incompetent.. he would have a hard time getting Mother Teresa off a charge.

 

[ohiogirl]

There are no gloves that don't fit here. So much obfuscation will not get by a jury of our peers. The DT is blah, blah, blah. It won't work.

 

[momtective]

The most frustrating thing for the Anthonys to deal with HAS to be watching JB and CM buffoons defending their daughter. If she had searched the length and breadth of Florida could she have come up with worse representation?

This fact is by far the most frustrating thing about this case, followed by CA & GA supporting her and all the freakin' lies. It's all just maddening, isn't it. Without question...she probably couldn't do any worse if Larry, Moe, and Joe were representing her.

But CM doesn't even know the documented facts of this case. He is so muddled it's going to be embarrassing to watch. JB is just incompetent.. he would have a hard time getting Mother Teresa off a charge.

:floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:

 

[countzero]

Count, I absolutely agree with you on this one, and I think Noddy(?) posted a similar theory in regards to this the other day. I have always thought there was a reason Cindy never called Casey out for her lies and thefts and that belief included that it was something much more than keeping Caylee around. I have often wondered if it was something of an illegal nature- nefarious for sure- that had nothing to do with "sex abuse" or "violence" in the Anthony household. Something that would keep everyone 'mum' in a situation like the one that occurred... along the lines of Casey may full well have committed a crime against Caylee (and they figured out as much), but she had something on them also- what... I have no idea, it may even include Lee somehow.

What do you think it might be when you contemplate your theories?

See, I came from a family where there was generational abuse- incest etc. but there was also some grifting (sort of an understatement), also various levels of drug dealing, drug running, drug doing and money laundering. All by a bunch of church going 'elders' and younger family members too. My mom looked like the 'church lady' from the Saturday Night Live skit and I couldn't have convinced a stranger or therapist (which I tried) that they did the things they did- they didn't 'look' like it or 'act' like it, but it was true.

The sad and interesting part of my story is that since there were various illegal activities that took place everyone sort of 'had something' on each other, so the cycle continued uninterrupted and unabated, and no one ever came clean or made a break. The other thing was , that when illegal money was made financial 'help' was given to members not directly involved in the actual illegal activities, but it served the purpose for them to keep their mouths shut too-1. they didn't want the gravy train to end, and 2. they considered they could possibly be found culpable in some way in regards to the law and breaking it too.

The Anthony's remind me so much of my family it is triggering to me at times. All of this is just theory and supposition on my part, and MOO- just wanted to finally lay it out there, for what it is worth?! I could be way off base but I do believe there is something more... much more than we know about this family!

ETA: I realize how "mafia" this sounds but it was more California/Mexico-ish.

rbbm:

Gosh, I really don't have a clue. Other than to tell you that I have written some of my close encounters I have had and still do with a few relatives, one in particular, who is the twin of ICA/CA without the murder. I don't post anything that can get back to them because I still fear them to this date. But the scope of it all is this: Like my relative, the A's have no fear of the legal system until the point in time comes when the judge sentences them for their crime(s). Fraud, drugs, physical abuse, DUI's ... nothing phases these types. They do the crime, they do the time. They get out and continue their ways of manipulations of new acquaintances. Use, abuse, lie, steal and move on. Their victims, either embarrassed or too afraid to report them learn a difficult lifes lesson. And all the while, presenting a "caring persona" until they get what they feel they deserve from their target of choice.

CA is like this. What triggered my radar was the 911 phone call, combined with the fact that she witched about the cost of the impound. But yet she waits and I think with fear the towyard people would call LE about the odor since GA made a "stink" pun intended about it to the guy. She waits more than a nano-second and who does she contact? ICA with a text message "big prob" call me. Ya think CA!!! She told GA to get his arse to work. Then she proceeded to clean the vehicle and rummage around it looking for incriminating evidence and tossed in some fabric softeners. Then off to work she went to tell her co workers the coverup story. Got back to the A compound, has AH resume in hand, called her, drove 45 mins to get AH, witches at AH about ICA - yada yada yada - got ICA, dropped off AH and then returned back to the A compound taking a side trip to a closed LE satellite office. Called 911 not one, but twice. Got back to the A compound where LA arrived and the coverup begins. Then and only then does CA mind begin to really go into gear. She made the third 911 call and in her best voice of panic, the car smells like a damn dead body.

Whoa, all most what .... eight hours later, CA has a light bulb moment ......

Anyway, there is something definitely sinister for them in their past. And by past I mean years and years past. It probably isn't really that sinister to us but for CA it is. Because it will burst her perfect family picture. Ya know, have you seen that Windows cloud commerical. Where the family is sitting on the couch and the boys are bugging each other, the girl is texting or whatnot and the husband is well I don't remember what the poor guy is doing or thinking. The mom is sitting at the computer photo shopping their heads with pictures to make the family look happy.

That's CA to a T. She wants the world to see her perfect family. All I see is a pathetic human who can't accept herself and what she has become and has by herself, created the situation she is in, but blames everyone else. Especially those who have what she wants.

ICA picked the perfect attorney for her. As JB is more like her in personality than he admits even to himself. He is egotistical, like she is. He is amoral, like she is.

They have no defense other than to attack the evidence. They cannot re-write history anymore than ICA can or you or I can. It is what it is. Caylee is gone at the hands on one of the Anthony's. Caylee was disposed like three day garbage by ICA. And not one of the DT members nor the Anthony's care.

The DT can create any scenario to blame CA or GA or LA or whomever else SODDI figure they come up with. It won't absolve ICA from her participation. The people of Florida are stupid nor backwards ignorant people lacking in common sense. Whether or not ICA gets LWOP or the DP doesn't bother me.

I wrote this long, long ago and it bears repeating; Life is not a dress rehearsal. You get one chance and one chance only. ICA doesn't have to answer to me. She will have to answer to a higher power and I will let God deliver that to her.

 

[logicalgirl]

Because IIRC and someone correct me if I'm wrong. chloroform lays low. It doesn't rise and would not create a problem for some one driving the car.

ETA I saw this on one of the IS, where Mike Brookes explained it.

I believe Jolyana or Val at the hinky also said this - but probably Jolyana in one of our threads discussing events after Dr. Vass testified.

 

[logicalgirl]

The defense could be planning to pin Caylee's murder on someone else in Casey's family, possibly her father George.

Even the Anthonys' lawyer admits they're getting that indication.

http://www.wftv.com/news/27793602/detail.html

Maybe not so preposterous...:doh:

I vote "Go ahead and try" if that's the best you got - why not?

The way the SA is going to build the circumstantial evidence chain - it isn't going to matter - Mr. Baez or Mr. Mason - if you say the man in the moon did it.

As a matter of fact - I think the members of the jury will be disgusted at you suggesting one of her parents committed this crime when the evidence so clearly points to ICA.

Yup, that's the ticket - pick George! Double dare ya!

 

[gamom]

I think the AHA moment is the defense is going to say yes there was a cover up and Caylee was in the trunk of the car. That explains away ALL of the SA evidence. It all becomes mute at that point. No need to prove Caylee was in the car, because they just said it. Then the DT will say the question is "How did Caylee die and who is responsible for her death???" Then the trial will be spent on the theroies of what could have happend to Caylee. All meant to create doubt that it was KC and that it was intentional. They transcribed all of the videos because while CA is frantic and asking lots of questions, GA is not. He is more somber, he is saying he loves her asking for private meetings, etc. Occassionally he says something about finding Caylee, but the defense will say it was to keep CA off the trail. He was an emotion wreck. Took off walking in the woods one day fed up w/ everything (ready to confess the DT will say). They will say he was involved with the death, etc. Perhaps he did the coverup...and told KC what to do with the baby's body? KC messed up kept the body in the car too long, etc. Who knows what the DT will come up with. In reality, like they have said over and over again. It is up to the state to PROVE it's case and they don't have to prove anything. The SA's case has nothing linking back to KC. Just to the A's home and to the car that they all had access too. By saying something happened in the A's home it kind of negates the state case of tying it back to KC. KC could say she ran out of gas and tried to reach her dad to help her. So he knew where the car was when it was out of her possession. KC could be convering up for her dad they will say who is very scared of CA. Also, I keep thinking back to when JB was asking GA if he will do anything for his daughter and he said yes. I can see JB asking him so tell the truth...when you say Caylee on the 16th as you claim and KC was panicing telling you that there was an accident, wasn't it YOU that advised her what to do with the body? Or, they could say who WAS the nanny that was watching Caylee? Wasn't it you who promised to watch Caylee while KC went to work? Didn't you lie time and time again to CA about having a job or looking for a job? Wasn't Caylee in YOUR care when the accident happend? Who knows. In the end, I think she will be found guilty. But here is the circus trial CM promised us all.

 

[gamom]

Sorry to post again, but I just had another theory the DT might use. After they admit that Caylee WAS in the car...they will tell the story that KC did flee the house with Caylee on the 15th after the fight. However, KC realized she had no money for Caylee so called her dad (who admitted on stand he woud do anything for her) and asked him if could give her any money. GA starts to sympathize with KC siince like he said in the video he felt like they were domineering parents etc. GA tells KC to leave and bond with Caylee and he will watch Caylee for her while she goes to work. He tells her to wait until CA leaves, bring Caylee and pick her up by 1 before he has to go to work. I think KC said she dropped off caylee at 9-1? IRRC. So...they agree to this. Only when KC comes back at 1...she can't find GA or Caylee??? She calls CA and GA every minute for awhile (the flurry of calls) after not being able to reach them to find out where GA is...she calls Tony and makes plans to get a movie etc. Knowing that Caylee is safe somewhere with GA. GA tells KC that he is going to take Caylee to the beach to get away from CA for awhile. KC liking that her dad is taking her side and is also mad at CA approves. So KC is "free" and parties away. Lying to CA when she calls to piss her off and never gives away GA for the same reason. This goes on for a few weeks.

At some point...GA tells Caylee he needs to borrow her car for whatever reason. Perhpas he wants to fix something that was not working right. Then when he returns it, tells her he must have hit a squirrl. KC is having a ball partying so does not think too much about it. By that point the body had been in and out of the car. KC has no idea why the car smells and believes her dad really did hit a squirrl. She finds out from GA the day they call about the car that something happend to Caylee. A "tragic accident". She is now partners in crime with her dad since he helped her that she can not let him take the fall for this. He offers to pay her if she keeps it quite. She wants to move with Tony to NY so she goes along with it...

and so on...Too far fetched? I don't know that the defense will say, but it's fun to pretend. In the end though, it won't work.

 

[katydid23]

Yup, it is farfetched but they do not have many options.
They can go 'accidental death' -but that has many problems for them as well.

George is really their only option if they want to blame it on someone else.