What Is the Defense Strategy #2

[Mohabi]

You are so right on regarding CA.

IF George is guilty of the behavior alleged I have no sympathy for him.

As for CA she has always put me over the edge in disgust per her behavior and I have had the opinion that CA is the impetus for the dysfunction in the A family. None of her actions or behavior from the beginning of this ordeal to the present have made me think otherwise.

I have no sympathy for CA at all. I know first hand what a mother can inflict upon her child with demeaning, accusatory, guilt-inducing, overbearing, belittling, and unfair treatment while keeping an appearance of being a lady, compassionate, fun, a "great" mother.

Some people - like me - go into a shell and do everything possible to make sure mommy doesn't have to cry, get damaged for life without ever being able to overcome the conditioning they received as children.

Others - like KC - eventually explode. Yes, KC did what she is accused of doing, but CA is the root of the evil and I have absolutely NO doubt about that. Not even a shadow of a doubt.

I could go into a long story here, but anyone with a narcissistic mother already knows what that story is. You have to live with a narcissist to know what it's like. Nobody else can even come close to imagining the damage to the child's psyche.

As so many here keep saying..."there but for God go I". Should KC be punished for what she did? Yes. But so should CA.

 

[Solace]

I have no sympathy for CA at all. I know first hand what a mother can inflict upon her child with demeaning, accusatory, guilt-inducing, overbearing, belittling, and unfair treatment while keeping an appearance of being a lady, compassionate, fun, a "great" mother.

Some people - like me - go into a shell and do everything possible to make sure mommy doesn't have to cry, get damaged for life without ever being able to overcome the conditioning they received as children.

Others - like KC - eventually explode. Yes, KC did what she is accused of doing, but CA is the root of the evil and I have absolutely NO doubt about that. Not even a shadow of a doubt.

I could go into a long story here, but anyone with a narcissistic mother already knows what that story is. You have to live with a narcissist to know what it's like. Nobody else can even come close to imagining the damage to the child's psyche.

As so many here keep saying..."there but for God go I". Should KC be punished for what she did? Yes. But so should CA.

Cindy is not the only parent here. As I understand it, George is the father and let a whole lotta things slide.

 

[Marina2]

This is probably a question for the attorney thread, but if the jury debates and discusses evidence or DT opening, closing arguments, and considers these facts against the judges instructions, won't that be an appeal and most likely a mistrial. Jurors always talk afterward, eventually.

That would be jury nullification and I don't know whether it would be grounds for an appeal or not. I know jurors do have this power and often exercise it. Perhaps AZlawyer could help here as appeals are her forte.

 

[Solace]

That would be jury nullification and I don't know whether it would be grounds for an appeal or not. I know jurors do have this power and often exercise it. Perhaps AZlawyer could help here as appeals are her forte.

What is DT opening?

 

[Marina2]

What is DT opening?

I believe that is referring to considering the defense team's opening statement as evidence which they will be instructed not to do.

 

[Solace]

I believe that is referring to considering the defense team's opening statement as evidence which they will be instructed not to do.

Why is that? Because the defense may name someone else as the killer without evidence?

 

[LambChop]

Cindy is not the only parent here. As I understand it, George is the father and let a whole lotta things slide.

And as all of us know that have had children you can't undermine what the other parent has set down. George understood that, CA did not. If GA had been the one to administer punishment I don't think KC would be in jail now. CA seemed to be the person with all the control and when GA did go to CA about KC it was basically, "Let me handle it George." So there you go. You want to live in a household you have to follow the rules of the one in charge and we all have no doubt who that person is and it's not GA.

So for DT to use GA and say KC was afraid of him will fall flat on it's face. Now if she were to say CA and the fact that she stated so in her police report, that might fly. jmo

 

[LCoastMom]

Cheney Mason will never let her take the stand.

He cannot stop her, only strongly advise against it....

 

[mfcmom]

I just reread some of ICA's prison letters. In them she accuses both GA and LA of sexual abuse. She also claims that the "real" Zenaida was supposed to keep the baby so she could go back and get her things to run away to California to get away from the abuse. Wonder where she was going with that? Any ideas?

 

[Marina2]

Why is that? Because the defense may name someone else as the killer without evidence?

They are only allowed to present in opening statement what they think they have evidence to present in trial. But, I guess they can make the statement and it be objected to. The judge will instruct the jury that opening statements aren't evidence and shouldn't be considered as such.

 

[logicalgirl]

I have no sympathy for CA at all. I know first hand what a mother can inflict upon her child with demeaning, accusatory, guilt-inducing, overbearing, belittling, and unfair treatment while keeping an appearance of being a lady, compassionate, fun, a "great" mother.

Some people - like me - go into a shell and do everything possible to make sure mommy doesn't have to cry, get damaged for life without ever being able to overcome the conditioning they received as children.

Others - like KC - eventually explode. Yes, KC did what she is accused of doing, but CA is the root of the evil and I have absolutely NO doubt about that. Not even a shadow of a doubt.

I could go into a long story here, but anyone with a narcissistic mother already knows what that story is. You have to live with a narcissist to know what it's like. Nobody else can even come close to imagining the damage to the child's psyche.

As so many here keep saying..."there but for God go I". Should KC be punished for what she did? Yes. But so should CA.

While this may be true, all evidence we have seen from neighbors and the videos tell a different story - they say that ICA was no fragile petal and was incredibly aggressive to both parents long before the murder happened.

We may very well find out ICA was the one running this household - and from what I have observed from her behavior, I will not be at all surprised.

Generally the household of a sociopath bow to their nature to avoid their very vicious and abusive behavior which to me is why we saw George and his hello Beautiful nonsense, and Cindy on the phone saying no, sweetheart, I don't know what your part in this was. Hardly overbearing behavior - more like an indication of an attempt to sooth to avoid an expected explosion.

 

[logicalgirl]

I just reread some of ICA's prison letters. In them she accuses both GA and LA of sexual abuse. She also claims that the "real" Zenaida was supposed to keep the baby so she could go back and get her things to run away to California to get away from the abuse. Wonder where she was going with that? Any ideas?

Wasn't her buddy Mark stationed in the Marines in California. She sent a text to him shortly before her arrest - telling him she had something to tell him. Probably that she had given Caylee up for adoption and didn't want to tell her parents so she was leaving home without telling them.

 

[Solace]

Wasn't her buddy Mark stationed in the Marines in California. She sent a text to him shortly before her arrest - telling him she had something to tell him. Probably that she had given ICA up for adoption and didn't want to tell her parents so she was leaving home without telling them.

Why do you assume that?

 

[logicalgirl]

Why do you assume that?

Why not? He knew about Caylee, so what was ICA going to tell him if she showed up without her? Hi, I've hopped a plane/train/bus to drop in and say hello and by the way I had to leave town because I just killed my kid?

ICA wouldn't be able to risk telling him Caylee was with her parents, because if ICA did go to California, eventually either her parents would figure out where she was, or the LE might if Caylee's body was found.

If she told Mark she gave Caylee away for adoption, and her parents called him looking for her, he may have agreed to tell them he hadn't seen her.

PS: You may have noticed - I don't assume anything about this case except ICA's guilt.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

IF ICA takes the stand, whatever she states must match the evidence presented, IMO...She will have to admit to an accidental death but came up with a kidnapping idea so not to look negligent to her parents. But she must also state why she googled Zenaida, household weapons, neck breaking and cholorform and missing people websites...remember CA claims she looked up cholorphyll, much different spelling, CA seems to have no qualms covering for ICA...so, If that train is head for GA, she'd be okay...heading for CA...she will take offense...I can't wait for opening statements...that will tell all...JMHO

Justice for Caylee

 

[Whisperer]

:rant:

I had not followed this case for almost two years and spent many hours over the weekend reviewing videotapes of motions (never did know exactly what they were), and realized that every court hearing was about the mistakes that LE made in handling their client.

The very first interview JB did was with NG and he said his only objective is to find Caylee. Not once, not even once have I heard him mention her name. ALL of his talk was about poor Casey. He would say, "you cuffed her (five min) and didn't follow procedure. Then he would say "You didn't follow procedure and record you uncuffed her". GMAB!! I was upset watching his nonsense. It is pitiful that an attorney can make such a mockery of a system. It is intolerable that our justice system lets this keep occurring. Every single minute of this debacle was about poor Casey and her rights..and not a peep about Caylee and a search for her.

So I imagine we are in for quite a lot of frustration listening to this *Unusual Person* (TOS holding me back here) utter his foolishness and attack LE the entire trial. His objective is to attack, befuddle and confuse the jury. He has honed these attributes of his to rise to the level of acceptability in a courtroom.

His smirks and his downright pounding of Yuri M. shows me has watched the OJ trial and is trying to replicate the antics of the "Dream Team". The jury has their hands full as they will have to try to follow his disorganization and silliness in questioning State's witnesses. That is all he will do..confuse and befudder. He will object to interrupt the State while they are presenting and sit back and smirk. Heck, he and casey have already objected and the trial hasn't started. Object, object and then object some more. It will be like an harrasement and I predict that will be his case. Barrys Sheck did that and I never did hear the closing arguemtne...he was objecting about every 20 seconds. I don't expect JB to put on a defense because he will attempt to do all the damage when the State is presenting.

I hope the jury has the patience and the intelligence to see through him. I hope there is a picture of precious Caylee up at all times. I hope he doesn't succeed at any of the antics he tries. I hope I have enough beer.

 

[katydid23]

I posted this on the 48 hours thread thinking it was this thread for some reason so I hope it's ok if I repost it as it is too late to delete that:

I have to say that even if it were an accident, I would want her to get at least LWOP. Because if it were an accident, she is a tremendous danger to society, especially any future children. If it were an accident, that means one spring day her baby suddenly died. And what did she do? Call 9-1-1? How did she know she was really dead? Does she have a fake RN degree? What does she do? Rent movies and go on her merry way. Any mother who could lose a baby suddenly and just carry on obviously has an attachment problem, and obviously did not vaule that baby's life. Now that she knows how easily she could get over it, she would not think twice about killing anyone. I don't believe for a second that it was an accident but that would be almost MORE bizarre. We've all seen garden variety sociopath mothers like Susan Smith..this is almost more chilling. Again, I don't believe it was an accident but if it was, she shouldn't have waited 3 years to tell.

EXACTLY. And not only did she not admit to it, she pointed the finger at someone else. She tried to pin the blame for her daughter's death on others and she also lied to her family, promising them the child would be home soon. What a piece of work.
IF it was an accident, she should be liable for the millions of dollars spent searching for the child in the beginning and for the many investigators searching for the kidnapers and the child.

 

[Just Jayla]

Advocate
Postulate
Complicate
Equivocate
Implicate
Fabricate
Obfuscate
And definintely aggravate and exasperate!

But wait!

My guess is they'll try to mitigate, and as for a plea....Baby, it's TOO LATE!

 

[panthera]

IF ICA takes the stand, whatever she states must match the evidence presented, IMO...She will have to admit to an accidental death but came up with a kidnapping idea so not to look negligent to her parents. But she must also state why she googled Zenaida, household weapons, neck breaking and cholorform and missing people websites...remember CA claims she looked up cholorphyll, much different spelling, CA seems to have no qualms covering for ICA...so, If that train is head for GA, she'd be okay...heading for CA...she will take offense...I can't wait for opening statements...that will tell all...JMHO

Justice for Caylee

The Google searches were done prior to Caylee's death, so she would also need to explain that.....and unfortunately for her, it goes more to premeditation than covering up an accident.

MOO

 

[GutFeeling!]

I just reread some of ICA's prison letters. In them she accuses both GA and LA of sexual abuse. She also claims that the "real" Zenaida was supposed to keep the baby so she could go back and get her things to run away to California to get away from the abuse. Wonder where she was going with that? Any ideas?

I am not a lawyer but I can shoot a million holes in that embellished statement lol

If she was running why the heck was she at a party on July 4 (which we have photos for proof) ... shouldn't she have been packing?

We know she doesn't have a job ... that to me means she doesn't have a nanny. What middle class girl that thieves off family for a living have a nanny? I was well off and didn't have a nanny ... and worked fulltime when my kids were Caylee's age.

I don't think I need to preach to the choir here lol