What is the origin of the planking rumor?

[K_Z]

I have another reason to suggest. Theoretically, if one or more additional children were involved in Max's accident, there may have been a desire to protect the other children by reporting it as an accident involving only Max. In such a case, there could have been a continuing desire to protect those children (or child, depending on the number of children involved) by pressing news outlets to scrub any information that hinted at the involvement of other children or deviated from the officially released version of events in any way. Additionally, Rebecca's death could've added to the desire to protect others as there may have been concern about violent action taken against anyone believed to be involved. (IIRC, there were special measures taken to protect the dog when he emerged from the kennel.) And, theoretically, if LE was misled about the details of Max's accident, there may have been concerns about legal repercussions as the result of conflicting information coming to light, particularly after Rebecca's death.

This is all pure speculation on my part. Just my opinion.

BBM

I completely agree with this scenario. I have often felt that the actions of some of the key players were designed to protect any accusations against the older children. These kids may or may not have been present when Max had his accident, but it's my opinion that they had some knowledge or involvement in whatever occurred that produced Max's fall.

It seems to me that they have been shielded and protected, in a way that XZ has not. More and more, as time goes on, XZ is emerging as the chosen scapegoat by Dina and others, imo.

 

[Ausgirl]

So -- looking at the details of Max's 'accident' ... what's just so incredibly much more likely a thing to have happened?

-- A 6-year old child decides, with nobody there to 'egg him on', to try a fairly scary planking stunt and falls. With a scooter.

-- Somebody chucked or pushed the boy over the rail, causing him to hit or grasp the chandelier as he fell. Scooter later placed for 'effect'.

-- He was riding his scooter in an extremely small bit of space on the stairs and landing and yet somehow built up the momentum to throw himself over a high rail far enough to hit the chandelier, tangling him and the scooter both in said chandelier before both fell.


Seems kind of obvious which is the more logical, to me.

 

[Betty P]

So -- looking at the details of Max's 'accident' ... what's just so incredibly much more likely a thing to have happened?

-- A 6-year old child decides, with nobody there to 'egg him on', to try a fairly scary planking stunt and falls. With a scooter.

-- Somebody chucked or pushed the boy over the rail, causing him to hit or grasp the chandelier as he fell. Scooter later placed for 'effect'.

-- He was riding his scooter in an extremely small bit of space on the stairs and landing and yet somehow built up the momentum to throw himself over a high rail far enough to hit the chandelier, tangling him and the scooter both in said chandelier before both fell.


Seems kind of obvious which is the more logical, to me.

The planking scenario doesn't require that he have a scooter. It's just as likely that the scooter was parked down below on the first floor. It could have fallen over when he and/or the chandelier crashed down.

Given the scooter could have been upstairs or downstairs, which scenario do you think is most likely?

 

[katydid23]

The planking scenario doesn't require that he have a scooter. It's just as likely that the scooter was parked down below on the first floor. It could have fallen over when he and/or the chandelier crashed down.

Given the scooter could have been upstairs or downstairs, which scenario do you think is most likely?

But Xena told LE that Maxie had been riding his scooter on the carpetted hallway upstairs. So it sounds like it was upstairs that morning.

 

[Betty P]

But Xena told LE that Maxie had been riding his scooter on the carpetted hallway upstairs. So it sounds like it was upstairs that morning.

Then that seems the most likely scenario.

The one that seems least likely is the one where RZ deliberately kills the child. She had no history of violent or abusive behavior. She would have absolutely nothing to gain and everything to lose in doing so.

 

[katydid23]

Then that seems the most likely scenario.

The one that seems least likely is the one where RZ deliberately kills the child. She had no history of violent or abusive behavior. She would have absolutely nothing to gain and everything to lose in doing so.

I agree. I don't think she pushed Maxie. I think she just covered for someone else and was distraught about it.

 

[Ausgirl]

What she may have gained (or thought she would gain) from Max's death has probably been discussed in another thread - but I can see a case for and one against her having a hand in it.

There was another person present, one who was both upstairs and claims Max had the scooter up there. There was a rambunctious dog present, as well. Either could have caused Max's fall, none are beyond the bounds of a logical theory.

I really, really do not think Max was planking. I think it's a ludicrous scenario, when there's half a dozen far more likely ones to explore, based on facts that actually exist, and not because 'the internet said so'.

 

[K_Z]

I don't think Max was planking either.

I do believe there was some kind of horseplay by Max involving the scooter and the newel post and bannister. Planking was an early cover story for whatever happened, imo.

I think it's really interesting that the fresh newel post damage and paint transfer to the scooter was revealed on the Dr. Phil show, after a full year had passed. That was the "bombshell" in that episode, imo.

Does anyone have those pics handy?

I think all information related to involvement of the scooter in Max's accident was consciously suppressed, save the presence of the scooter over Max's ankle at the scene of the fall.

That Max was permitted to ride his scooter inside the house and near stairs reflects very poorly on Dina and Jonah's judgement, imo, and would have been damaging to Jonah's reputation if his parenting decisions were questioned publicly. I think that (Jonah's reputation and decision making) is what has been shielded, as much as the older children. Perhaps out of pity or deference to grieving parents, for making an unwise judgement about the scooter.

It also leads me to consider Dina's statement to the Coronado City Council that there were instructions that she was not to be notified of the CPS investigation. I think it is certainly possible thatMax's safety was going to be investigated in both of his homes-- the safety of the environments and parenting decisions of BOTH parents was being questioned at that time, as the circumstances and outcome of Max's acxcident became obvious. As in, why was a very young child permitted to have a scooter inside the house near stairs?

I continue to believe that his fall was purely accidental, and not intentional on anyone's part. However, I do believe that a scooter inside and near stairs, provided to a 6 year old, was a recipe for a serious accident. I think all 3 of the older children know more than has been released.

Perhaps someday, Max will be considered in social movements or a nonprofit dedicated to preventing childhood accidents from improper use of outside toys. That would honor his memory, and perhaps help educate parents on how to prevent accidents in the home. Far too many kids die in preventable accidents.

 

[Betty P]

What she may have gained (or thought she would gain) from Max's death has probably been discussed in another thread - but I can see a case for and one against her having a hand in it.

There was another person present, one who was both upstairs and claims Max had the scooter up there. There was a rambunctious dog present, as well. Either could have caused Max's fall, none are beyond the bounds of a logical theory....

If RZ was trying to cover for her sister in an accident scenario, SDSO would know about it. They have her cell phone, know what her text messages said to her family back home and probably had access to her phone conversations as well. SDSO would have included that information in their death investigation of Max.

MOO

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

If RZ was trying to cover for her sister in an accident scenario, SDSO would know about it. They have her cell phone, know what her text messages said to her family back home and probably had access to her phone conversations as well. SDSO would have included that information in their death investigation of Max.

MOO

Then why on earth would Rebecca call Mary immediately after Max's "accident" before she called Jonah, his father? IMO, it was to come up with a plausible story.

 

[Inparadise]

Then why on earth would Rebecca call Mary immediately after Max's "accident" before she called Jonah, his father? IMO, it was to come up with a plausible story.

Rebecca could have called Mary because it is possible that Jonah was there when Max had his accident.......Rebecca then called Jonah to let him know that the EMTs had arrived.

 

[MyBelle]

Then why on earth would Rebecca call Mary immediately after Max's "accident" before she called Jonah, his father? IMO, it was to come up with a plausible story.

Apparently to the attending physicians, it wasn't plausible.

JMO

 

[Betty P]

Then why on earth would Rebecca call Mary immediately after Max's "accident" before she called Jonah, his father? IMO, it was to come up with a plausible story.

She didn't. Jonah was the first person she called after having her sister call 9-11. Do you need a link to the timeline?

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RZ spoke with her sister later, in the days after the accident. She was speaking to and texting her sister up until just before she died. She probably shared some important information with her sister, info that SDSO has in their files. So, yes, if she had been covering up for someone about Max's accident, she would have shared that with her sister and SDSO would have it in their files.

 

[Betty P]

Apparently to the attending physicians, it wasn't plausible.

JMO

What wasn't plausible?

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

[*]]She didn't. Jonah was the first person she called after having her sister call 9-11. .

Mary Zahau VERY CLEARLY stated on the recent Dr. Phil that Rebecca called her, and THEN called Jonah. IMO, that call is on XZ's phone - which was never checked.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

RZ spoke with her sister later, in the days after the accident. She was speaking to and texting her sister up until just before she died. She probably shared some important information with her sister, info that SDSO has in their files. So, yes, if she had been covering up for someone about Max's accident, she would have shared that with her sister and SDSO would have it in their files.

BBM

There was only ONE day after the accident, before Rebecca hung herself.

The SDSO would not have records of their phone conversations.

 

[Inparadise]

BBM

There was only ONE day after the accident, before Rebecca hung herself.

The SDSO would not have records of their phone conversations.

Rebecca was alive for at least 36 hours after Max's accident, not just one day (24 hours)......and that was about the time of her last calls/texts with her sister.

 

[MyBelle]

Rebecca was alive for at least 36 hours after Max's accident, not just one day (24 hours)......and that was about the time of her last calls/texts with her sister.

I'm not sure how an additional 12 hours makes all that much difference.

JMO

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

Rebecca was alive for at least 36 hours after Max's accident, not just one day (24 hours)......and that was about the time of her last calls/texts with her sister.

You must have missed what I was responding to. Betty P had said, "RZ spoke to her sister later, in the days after the accident". I said there was only one day after the accident (Tuesday).

But you are correct in that Rebecca hung herself about 39 - 41 hours after Max was critically injured under her care.

 

[screecher]

You have no solid proof Rebecca hung herself, nor have solid proof Maxie was critically injured while under her care. NONE.