What is the origin of the planking rumor?

[*Lash*]

Does anyone have pictures of the paint transfer to the scooter, the damaged newel post, and the gouges on the scooter that were shown on the Dr. Phil show?

I think it would be good to look at those again more closely.

TIA.

Hi KZ! I have several pictures from the show. I will post them as soon as I can.

 

[Tink56]

No clip that I know of. I recorded it and have watched it three times. You can get a transcript on DrPhil.com.

I didn't record the show and can't find a transcript. Do you have a link to the transcript, not the show site? TIA

 

[Tink56]

I think the scooter was involved with Max's fall. I think it's possible Max was using the scooter in some kind of posed, balanced position on the newel post, or railing. Whether or not that meets the definition of planking is up for debate.

If Max was holding onto the handlebars and fell outward and head first, the scooter could have become entwined in the chandelier, and with the weight of Max, pulled the hanging chain apart. Particularly if he was balancing on the railing and/ or newel post. There was a "missing link" in the chandelier chain that was photographed on a step, and subsequently lost by the investigators. Dr. Bove was unable to examine it.

There are a number of scooter scenarios and "showing off" (stationary or in motion), or "still" planking tricks that can explain a head first impact that also takes down the chandelier. Consider a "spinning" trick involving the scooter and the newel post, for example. Velocity and momentum are certainly possible there, right?

Dr. Bove, unfortunately, was only paid to run the numbers on the Gomez diagram and Dina's imaginative, but highly unlikely scenario. There are many scenarios that could explain Max's accidental fall.

Added:
Check out the spin move at 33 sec mark.

Razor Scooter tricks - YouTube

Even more interesting to me is the approximate 43 second view of the 7-year-old riding ON the rail....

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

I wonder WHO bought the razor scooter for Max. Could it have been Rebecca?

 

[Tink56]

I wonder WHO bought the razor scooter for Max. Could it have been Rebecca?

While you are "here", would you please provide a link to the transcript in which Mary references RZ's call right after the accident?

TIA

 

[screecher]

I wonder WHO bought the razor scooter for Max. Could it have been Rebecca?

Now HOW could she buy the razor scooter when she didn't have a paying job? It's been said HERE many times Jonah paid for everything she had....phone, computer....implying he owns everything. Therefore, she owned nada. Nor could purchase anything.

Perhaps Maxie's mom, Dina Romano bought it? Afterall, she did keep a drawer filled with candy for him, had a special room for him. She seems very Maxie orientated, so perhaps the scooter came from Dina Romano.

But really, what/why does it matter?

 

[Carioca]

Now HOW could she buy the razor scooter when she didn't have a paying job? It's been said HERE many times Jonah paid for everything she had....phone, computer....implying he owns everything. Therefore, she owned nada. Nor could purchase anything.

Perhaps Maxie's mom, Dina Romano bought it? Afterall, she did keep a drawer filled with candy for him, had a special room for him. She seems very Maxie orientated, so perhaps the scooter came from Dina Romano.

But really, what/why does it matter?

Perhaps it matters as how it plays in as a transference of guilt. For example, a parent caves in to a teen's desire for a car against the better judgment of the other parent who feels the teen has yet to show signs of sufficient maturity. The teen subsequently runs a stop light and dies. One parent blames the other parent for their child's death. Riddled with guilt, the parent that acquiesced transfers the guilt to someone or something else.

Little MS didn't buy the scooter himself. IMO either his mother, father, aunt, or a grandparent bought it for him, probably with stringent rules attached. Unfortunately those rules were ignored.

Guilt, hatred, revenge: a toxic combination.

 

[arielilane]

It does make you wonder if Max was trying this at home with the scooter in the stairway on the banister? I only had to watch the first 40 seconds of the video.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPxOy9nTypk&feature=related"]Tilt Team 2012 - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Ausgirl]

The banister is .. what? A couple inches wide?


Sorry, I just can't see it. Hard enough for a little 6-yo kid to lift a scooter that high, let alone successfully balance it on the rail, then try to climb up there and stand on the scooter.


He seemed like a such a bright little boy. And I read a comment by his mother, where she states he was definitely NOT an 'adventurous' type of child.

ETA: though I do think the paint on the scooter is significant -- I just don't think Max was 'planking' or riding his scooter on a rail that almost as tall as he was...

 

[Betty P]

The banister is .. what? A couple inches wide?


Sorry, I just can't see it. Hard enough for a little 6-yo kid to lift a scooter that high, let alone successfully balance it on the rail, then try to climb up there and stand on the scooter.


He seemed like a such a bright little boy. And I read a comment by his mother, where she states he was definitely NOT an 'adventurous' type of child.

ETA: though I do think the paint on the scooter is significant -- I just don't think Max was 'planking' or riding his scooter on a rail that almost as tall as he was...

What do you think happened? What would cause the scooter to impact the top of the newel post?

 

[Inparadise]

What do you think happened? What would cause the scooter to impact the top of the newel post?

Perhaps a certain person with a hair-trigger temper threw it into the newel post in a rage of anger?

 

[freespeech]

If only Anne Bremner would release ALL the files and information on this case!

I believe that Gore threatened Anne not to release any details in the file or otherwise he would release the entire file. I don't think Gore would have a right to to do that but it was apparent that Gore was protecting his own and Shacknai's interests because that was the second known threat that she received regarding the Zauhau case. The first was from Shacknai's lawyer.

Also, I don't think Anne would jeopardize having the case heard by the DA, AG by endangering her clients case with the possibility of an untimely release of the details of the case. Gore was essentially threatening to damage the possibility of a jury trial if it ever would come to that, imo.

Imo, it is so simplistic to think that the entire file could be released to the public without seriously damaging the future possibility of obtaining a criminal conviction of the person/s who murdered Rebecca. Even if it never comes to a jury trial the Shacknai/Romano clans will always have this hanging over their heads. People will always be whispering after they pass in the street.

Imo, this is a true tragedy for the older Shacknai kids. Who ever murdered Rebecca may evade criminal conviction but the damage to their lives, children and reputations cannot be repaired unless they intend to murder the thousands of people that believe Rebecca was murdered. Even if they succeeded in that they would still miss a few who would now only have compounded knowledge of their guilt.

Whoever murdered her committed a very selfish act because they not only damaged Rebecca and her family but their own family and reputation. Murder never pays.

 

[freespeech]

Perhaps a certain person with a hair-trigger temper threw it into the newel post in a rage of anger?

Who was known to have a history of a hair-trigger temper that resulted in violent outbursts? Who would have been the person most likely to do something like that?

 

[Inparadise]

Who was known to have a history of a hair-trigger temper that resulted in violent outbursts? Who would have been the person most likely to do something like that?

I think that you knw who I mean.............and it's not the dog.

 

[freespeech]

I wonder WHO bought the razor scooter for Max. Could it have been Rebecca?

Rebecca could have bought the scooter but I doubt that she did. She did not seem like the indulgent type who would buy an age inappropriate and dangerous toy for a child whose mother was already on the warpath and looking for any reason to blame her for anything.

Rebecca did not seem that stupid that she would try to "buy" Max with the scooter without considering the possible consequences of endangering Max's safety with a possible accident which would only serve to incur the wrath of both of Max's parents.

I personally do not see that but that doesn't mean it did not happen. However, if it did happen then it is still the parent's RESPONSIBILITY to screen toys given to their child and to determine which toys they will be allowed to keep or not. That is absolutely the parents RESPONSIBILITY.

I speak from my own personal opinion and experience. I would never let my child have, keep or play with a toy that I considered age inappropriate or dangerous. PERIOD.

 

[Betty P]

Perhaps a certain person with a hair-trigger temper threw it into the newel post in a rage of anger?

Who would do that? Why and, more importantly, how would they do it?

If you've ever handled one of these scooters, you know it would be very difficult to wield it as a weapon or use it to bash something.

Both the handlebar of the scooter and the steering tube base where it connects to the footboard swivel 360 degrees. Watch any of the stunt videos linked in this forum and you'll see kids doing stunts where the footboard spins around.

If you lift it up off the floor by the handlebars, the footboard portion automatically begins spinning horizontally.

If you lift it up by the footboard, the handlebars and steering tube parts begin spinning.

In addition, the scooter itself is very lightweight. Having handled one, the idea of someone picking an empty scooter up off the floor and throwing it wouldn't bash deep scars in the wood of the newel post or railing.

The most plausible explanation of those dents on the cap of the newel post is someone placing weight on the scooter while its on top of the post.

MOO

 

[freespeech]

Who was known to have a history of a hair-trigger temper that resulted in violent outbursts? Who would have been the person most likely to do something like that?

Dina and Jonah were reported to have physical fights with each other so I would guess it would be one of them. Most likely
Jonah could have done that because that was his house. Maybe he saw the scooter in the hall laying on the floor and was annoyed and kicked at it. I don't know. Maybe on a past visit Dina came over to pick Max up and went upstairs to get some of his things and saw it laying on the floor and got mad and threw it. I don't know.

I doesn't seem likely to me that Rebecca or her sister would purposely cause damage to the inside of Jonah's home. I don't think he would have tolerated that.

I think it is most likely that Max was over indulgently allowed to play with that scooter inside and that he crashed into the newel post several times in the past. The damage to the newel post is probably not related to his fatal accident. The height of the damage shown could have been caused by the rounded ends of the handle bars. The shape of the handle bars also correspond to height and shape of the gouges imo.

Imo, Jonah and Dina were very indulgent parents who did not consider the consequences of their indulgence. The older kids were allowed to be disrespectful to Rebecca. That was very indulgent. To me it appears that that neither Jonah or Dina set appropriate limits for the children. In my opinion few limits can result in out of control and dangerous behavior.

 

[MyBelle]

Rebecca could have bought the scooter but I doubt that she did. She did not seem like the indulgent type who would buy an age inappropriate and dangerous toy for a child whose mother was already on the warpath and looking for any reason to blame her for anything.

Rebecca did not seem that stupid that she would try to "buy" Max with the scooter without considering the possible consequences of endangering Max's safety with a possible accident which would only serve to incur the wrath of both of Max's parents.

I personally do not see that but that doesn't mean it did not happen. However, if it did happen then it is still the parent's RESPONSIBILITY to screen toys given to their child and to determine which toys they will be allowed to keep or not. That is absolutely the parents RESPONSIBILITY.

I speak from my own personal opinion and experience. I would never let my child have, keep or play with a toy that I considered age inappropriate or dangerous. PERIOD.

I'd never let a kid play with such a toy in a dangerous manner. But apparently RZ had no problem allowing it in the house or on the second floor and also had no problem allowing him to use it unsupervised while she was the only adult in the house.

JMO

 

[inthedark14]

I'd never let a kid play with such a toy in a dangerous manner. But apparently RZ had no problem allowing it in the house or on the second floor and also had no problem allowing him to use it unsupervised while she was the only adult in the house.

JMO

So when he rode it the day prior, (as we've been told XZ told investigators) what adults were in the house then?

 

[MyBelle]

Dina and Jonah were reported to have physical fights with each other so I would guess it would be one of them. Most likely
Jonah could have done that because that was his house. Maybe he saw the scooter in the hall laying on the floor and was annoyed and kicked at it. I don't know. Maybe on a past visit Dina came over to pick Max up and went upstairs to get some of his things and saw it laying on the floor and got mad and threw it. I don't know.

I doesn't seem likely to me that Rebecca or her sister would purposely cause damage to the inside of Jonah's home. I don't think he would have tolerated that.

I think it is most likely that Max was over indulgently allowed to play with that scooter inside and that he crashed into the newel post several times in the past. The damage to the newel post is probably not related to his fatal accident. The height of the damage shown could have been caused by the rounded ends of the handle bars. The shape of the handle bars also correspond to height and shape of the gouges imo.

Imo, Jonah and Dina were very indulgent parents who did not consider the consequences of their indulgence. The older kids were allowed to be disrespectful to Rebecca. That was very indulgent. To me it appears that that neither Jonah or Dina set appropriate limits for the children. In my opinion few limits can result in out of control and dangerous behavior.

BBM.

Max's injuries happened in his father's house, not Dina's. The sad fact is that two children were injured while RZ was the only adult in the house. Blaming the children or their absent parents isn't going to change that fact.

JMO