What is the origin of the planking rumor?

[MyBelle]

IMO, each time she has been asked about Jonah, she seems uncomfortable and doesn't respond directly........it could be that she is not permitted to openly say anything remotely negative about him, per their divorce decree. She still has until July to file a civil suit, and yes, it will be interesting to watch that as it unfolds.

Or it could be that she and Jonah already have reached a settlement and she's bound by a confidentiality agreement.

JMO

 

[Inparadise]

What you or I believe Dina shoulda, woulda, coulda done doesn't matter at this point. She doesn't get a do-over nor is there any way to predict what a Judge would have done.

Jonah knows if Dina is blowing smoke.

JMO

You missed my point. If Dina had issues with Rebecca, then she should have sought a remedy in the court system when she first had concerns, not through a supposed agreement after the fact with a man that he knows is less than truthful........even with documentation and court orders, it is difficult to enforce, and as a psychologist, Dina should know this.

 

[MyBelle]

You missed my point. If Dina had issues with Rebecca, then she should have sought a remedy in the court system when she first had concerns, not through a supposed agreement after the fact with a man that he knows is less than truthful........even with documentation and court orders, it is difficult to enforce, and as a psychologist, Dina should know this.

I got your point but it is based on unknown facts. Dina hasn't given details for why she didn't want Max alone with RZ so it is impossible to predict how a court would have reacted.

In reality, no court can control what goes on in the privacy of a home.

JMO

 

[Betty P]

Why? Dina hasn't threated RZ's family. I've not seen any slander by Dina. She's asked for a thorough police investigation into the death of her child which she has every right to do. She also has every right to believe and express her opinion that RZ was responsible for the death of her child.

JMO

Repeatedly accusing a dead woman on national tv of murdering your child is wrong. Dina isn't bothering to wait for the results of a new investigation into her child's death - she's already decided who is guilty and she's announcing it to the world via the national news media.

No, she doesn't have the right to slander the reputation of a dead woman who is no longer around to defend herself. Some folks just can't challenge others on a level playing field. They have to stack the deck against their opponent.

If Dina is confident that RZ killed Max, she should move forward and sue Jonah. The fact that she hasn't done so is odd. One would think a woman as smart, educated and professional as Dina could behave in a responsible, mature manner and pursue legal remedy against Jonah. Harping on national tv about a dead woman killing her child presents a very unflattering view of her to the public, IMO. If there is any truth to her theory that Jonah is responsible, let's hope she gets her act together and pursues an appropriate path.

 

[Inparadise]

I got your point but it is based on unknown facts. Dina hasn't given details for why she didn't want Max alone with RZ so it is impossible to predict how a court would have reacted.

In reality, no court can control what goes on in the privacy of a home.

Speaking from experience with the Maricopa County Family Court, which is very liberal, it is extremely difficult for them to interfere with custody issues unless one is an axe murderer, because they believe that children are better off when they are co-parented by both mother and father.

 

[MyBelle]

Repeatedly accusing a dead woman on national tv of murdering your child is wrong. Dina isn't bothering to wait for the results of a new investigation into her child's death - she's already decided who is guilty and she's announcing it to the world via the national news media.

No, she doesn't have the right to slander the reputation of a dead woman who is no longer around to defend herself. Some folks just can't challenge others on a level playing field. They have to stack the deck against their opponent.

If Dina is confident that RZ killed Max, she should move forward and sue Jonah. The fact that she hasn't done so is odd. One would think a woman as smart, educated and professional as Dina could behave in a responsible, mature manner and pursue legal remedy against Jonah. Harping on national tv about a dead woman killing her child presents a very unflattering view of her to the public, IMO. If there is any truth to her theory that Jonah is responsible, let's hope she gets her act together and pursues an appropriate path.

I think the path is appropriate and she is guided by an attorney. She does have the legal right to publicly proclaim who she feels is responsible for the death of her child. I might do the same thing if I were in her shoes. The public certainly didn't turn on the Goldman or Brown families and I doubt they are anything but sympathetic to Dina's pain. Nobody is forcing anybody to watch tv programs that feature Dina.

JMO

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

Repeatedly accusing a dead woman on national tv of murdering your child is wrong. Dina isn't bothering to wait for the results of a new investigation into her child's death - she's already decided who is guilty and she's announcing it to the world via the national news media.

No, she doesn't have the right to slander the reputation of a dead woman who is no longer around to defend herself. Some folks just can't challenge others on a level playing field. They have to stack the deck against their opponent.

If Dina is confident that RZ killed Max, she should move forward and sue Jonah. The fact that she hasn't done so is odd. One would think a woman as smart, educated and professional as Dina could behave in a responsible, mature manner and pursue legal remedy against Jonah. Harping on national tv about a dead woman killing her child presents a very unflattering view of her to the public, IMO. If there is any truth to her theory that Jonah is responsible, let's hope she gets her act together and pursues an appropriate path.

I could write the very same thing, except substitute Dina for Mary, RZ for the Shacknais and Romanos, and Rebecca for Max. Becasuse in my mind, repeatedly accusing two grieving families in news stories and on national tv of murdering your sister is wrong.

 

[Ausgirl]

The most plausible explanation of those dents on the cap of the newel post is someone placing weight on the scooter while its on top of the post.

MOO

I totally disagree. The dents are in one single, small area of the newel. If anyone was trying to 'ride' the rail or even position it on top of the newel (for whatever reason, seems to me a terribly awkward place for anyobody to choose, if they intended to scoot along a rail, seeing as the rail bends rather sharply there..), there'd surely be longer scrapes/ scuffs in the paint along the rail, and not just a few deep dents in one small location.

It looks more like someone bashed something on there - hard. Like a scooter.

 

[arielilane]

The law is quite clear. For example, if the child is injured at daycare, the daycare has liability, not the parent.

I'm pretty sure the law agrees with me. Whether it be a grandparent, babysitter or parent, the adult with physical custody of the child at the time of the injury is responsible for the safety of the child. According to RZ's statement to police, she was the only adult present at the time of the injuries to Max and XZ. JS placed his son in her care.

Divorced parents have never been "in charge" of activities that occur in the home of the other parent. I don't believe a case exists that supports your view that Dina, but not RZ, is responsible. If there is one, please link it. Thanks.

JMO

I'm sure the "law" agrees with you.
As a parent you would still teach your child(ren) that the rules at home also apply outside of the home. Common sense. You can't depend on the law to keep your child safe. Accidents happen -child act out and unfortunately, Max had a fatal accident that was of no fault of Rebecca or Max (not saying that you placed any blame on Max).

 

[Zinn]

I think the path is appropriate and she is guided by an attorney. She does have the legal right to publicly proclaim who she feels is responsible for the death of her child. I might do the same thing if I were in her shoes. The public certainly didn't turn on the Goldman or Brown families and I doubt they are anything but sympathetic to Dina's pain. Nobody is forcing anybody to watch tv programs that feature Dina.

JMO

The O.J. case has been mentioned a few times today. The cases are quite different, so a direct comparison doesn't make much sense to me. At times, I do think of Rebecca as someone who got caught in the middle of a domestic dispute between a man and his ex-wife, so in that sense I do see similarities between Rebecca and Ronald Goldman, but the differences are otherwise too great to really compare these cases, IMO.

Just my opinion.

 

[elfie]

I think Dina truly believes RZ was responsible and she has every right to express her opinion even if RZ were still alive. Nicole Simpson's family certainly did not cease offering their opinions about OJ's involvement in her death after he was found not guilty.

JMO

Rebecca is DEAD. OJ is alive to defend himself or bring whatever type of defamation lawsuit against the family he would like. He didn't do so because it would open a whole can of worms that he was trying like mad to distance himself from. I don't think it is an apt comparison at all.

 

[iSleuth]

'The San Diego Police declared her death a suicide, claiming she was distraught over the injuries her boyfriend's son suffered during a fall in the mansion while in her care two days prior.'

The above statement is interesting because it is reversed into the an alternate and possibly truer statement by substituting three words. Change suicide for murder, she for unknown family members and distraught for enraged.

'The San Diego Police declared her death a murder, claiming unknown family members were enraged over the injuries her boyfriend's son suffered during a fall in the mansion while in her care two days prior.'

http://news.yahoo.com/rebecca-zahau-case-information-san-diego-police-172600607.html

When I saw the following interview and statement by poor Jessica Ridgeway's parents, and their imoo well founded rage, I immediately thought of the sort of violent anger and rage the family of MS may have felt ( erroneously perhaps) towards RZ whom they felt was responsible for Max's accident.

http://www.wistv.com/story/19903905/family-wants-to-just-burn-accused-killer-of-jessica-ridgeway

Couldn't rage like that be the motive for murder?
JMOO

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

And couldn't rage that Jonah was asking too many questions about Max's accident cause Rebecca Zahau to kill herself in that bizarre manner. Yes, it could. And did.

No matter how much it is said that Jonah "may" have been there, it just isn't true. Rebecca and her sister were there with Max. That fact won't change. Rebecca committed suicide. That fact won't changed

 

[Inparadise]

And couldn't rage that Jonah was asking too many questions about Max's accident cause Rebecca Zahau to kill herself in that bizarre manner. Yes, it could. And did.

No matter how much it is said that Jonah "may" have been there, it just isn't true. Rebecca and her sister were there with Max. That fact won't change. Rebecca committed suicide. That fact won't changed

Did Jonah tell you himself that he wasn't there? Or do you have other real proof of such?

 

[*Lash*]

Since XZ arrived a day before the other children left, I'm sure she could tell us how all the children behaved together. The other children could speak as well. There is more than just one minor that can testify to the house norms. Possibly even neighborhood friends.

XZ was the only child still at the mansion the same night the accident occurred. Per search warrants, Jonah returned that night to shower and retrieve some clothing. XZ may be able to tell us how Rebecca and Jonah interacted that evening. Whether there was anger or whether there was consoling. Adam could also testify to how Jonah treated Rebecca that next evening during dinner. Adam could testify whether Jonah was questioning Rebecca. It seems several people that have remained silent could hold a lot of answers to these assumptions and speculations.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

It seems several people that have remained silent could hold a lot of answers to these assumptions and speculations.

Adam and Jonah have both been interviewed by LE extensively and were very cooperative. Since the death is a suicide, records are sealed as they are with all suicides. I'm sure they told LE how quiet Rebecca was on Tuesday...and I'm sure there was plenty to confirm that Rebecca was upset in the text messages between her and Jonah. And IMO, that is one reason why Anne Bremner won't release all the files. JMO.

 

[iSleuth]

And couldn't rage that Jonah was asking too many questions about Max's accident cause Rebecca Zahau to kill herself in that bizarre manner. Yes, it could. And did.

No matter how much it is said that Jonah "may" have been there, it just isn't true. Rebecca and her sister were there with Max. That fact won't change. Rebecca committed suicide. That fact won't changed

I have tried to be very respectful, on this board I always try to consider all sides before I post. I have changed my mind even on several WSboards over the course some investigations.

I truly believe that we ar all entitled to our own opinions. to quote one of my favorite artist's songs " we are entitled to even bad opinions" ( TR) I do not mean any offense. I am aware of many people's passionate feelings about this case on both sides. and seems many of us have a nearly personal stake people have in these discussions.

I have tried to consider every emotion of how RZ may have felt during this time; between max's accident and her death. No one in her family reported her feeling either so mad or so desperate. I don't know. I am truly asking and not trying to pick a fight or be snarky or combative.

Does "rage" make people rip off their clothes, stab themselves, wrap a t shirt around their face, and down their own throat, strangle themselves and blindly throw themselves off a balcony?

I know people kill themselves in every way imaginable, for a range of emotions, I just can't see these circumstances - the emotions and the evidence adding up to suicide. No matter what the police report stated.
we can say over and over and over again that..that LE came up with" suicide" for " an Official cause of death" but that doesn't change the facts that the conclusion IMOO stinks to high heavens and is flawed.

 

[Tink56]

I think the path is appropriate and she is guided by an attorney. She does have the legal right to publicly proclaim who she feels is responsible for the death of her child. I might do the same thing if I were in her shoes. The public certainly didn't turn on the Goldman or Brown families and I doubt they are anything but sympathetic to Dina's pain. Nobody is forcing anybody to watch tv programs that feature Dina.

JMO

Being a San Diegan, I am weary of all the accusations by both groups.

Despite the expense and obvious resources that would need to be allocated to re-investigating both deaths, at this point IMO, the attorney general will probably be the only person who can resolve this bickering.

Without any "irons in the fire," it appears that there are a number of things of which the public is unaware. I personally can't wrap my head around the assault scenario, nor can I fully understand the method of suicide, so quickly and drastically implemented.

The use of the media by both families is repugnant, IMO; but, LE seems to be unable/unwilling to answer the questions that linger, and both groups in desperation are using whatever means they can to further their "cases."

Neither family will heal until there is a fuller understanding of the issues and circumstances involved. At some point, for their respective mental and spiritual health, as well as their physical well being, these families will need to let go of the anger and hatred, IMO. If they don't, they risk negative long-term problems.

I wish peace and comfort to all involved. And, despite the negative comments and bashing, Jonah ironically is the only one who has done something truly positive in the memory of his son. His foundation to enrich the lives of other children is something that would truly make Max smile, IMO, MOO...etc.

 

[freespeech]

And couldn't rage that Jonah was asking too many questions about Max's accident cause Rebecca Zahau to kill herself in that bizarre manner. Yes, it could. And did.

No matter how much it is said that Jonah "may" have been there, it just isn't true. Rebecca and her sister were there with Max. That fact won't change. Rebecca committed suicide. That fact won't changed

I feel your arguement essentially comes down to three things:

Rebecca killed herself in a rage.

Jonah triggered her rage.

Jonah was not there when Max was injured.

Can you give any factual data to support your position on these suppositions?

Do you or SDSO have any evidence whatsoever that Rebecca was in a rage?

Do you or SDSO have any concrete evidence that Jonah triggered the rage?

Do you or SDSO have any concrete evidence that Jonah was not present when Max was injured?

 

[Mr Spock]

I imagine since Mary stated on Dr Phil she does not know who was there that morning: There is nothing certain about that morning as far as who was or was not in the house. My guess is that Marty and Anne are sitting on quite a bit of information, and would not be the first attorneys to say one thing in public and be privately thinking something else. Many times attorneys and law enforcement sometimes use the media and dis information tactics in order to confuse a potential suspect.

Jonah was NOT ever verified at being at the gym other than what he says. If we are to believe everything Jonah states as being a fact, then you have to believe and include taking him at face value when he states that Dina has a significant substance abuse problem which would include taking prescription pills with alcohol to get high. Additionally that would also include taking at face value Jonah's statements in the police reports about Dina becoming quite violent when angry or terrified about Jonah leaving her.


Coronado is a very small town, and I would bet quite a few people know and have discussed at length the fact that no one from the gym was ever questioned about nor did Coronado police bother to verify Jonah's location that morning in question. I'll bet my bottom dollar there are people in town who know the owners of the now closed gym, and have been told they don't think Jonah was in the gym that morning.

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As for GS and ES''s whereabouts that morning of Max's accident: If Dina has not put out to the public copies of GS/ES boarding passes or the plane manifest for the morning of Max's accident, she does not have them in her possession that information. I have no doubt Dina would have already put that information out there if she had it. I would imagine that if Jonah is no longer talking to Dina, the children are not talking to her either. In fact I would bet all three of them probably haven't spoken to Dina in close to a year or more.

My conclusion is straightforward based on the above information: Dina has no way of stating or knowing anything other than what Jonah has told her or the Coronado Police. And as that Dina does not have much faith in the Coronado police at this point, Dina probably should question anything and everything about that morning.