WHAT Is The Ramsey/Karr Connection?

[RiverRat]

The Ramseys covered their association with jameson in their book. :doh:

Helloooo, is anyone out there? I know for a fact that there is ONE poster here that could help validate jameson's child collection but I guess that is not as upsetting as receiving and not sharing 40G.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

The Ramseys covered their association with jameson in their book. :doh:

Helloooo, is anyone out there? I know for a fact that there is ONE poster here that could help validate jameson's child collection but I guess that is not as upsetting as receiving and not sharing 40G.

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HORRIBLE!!! I can't believe she'd admit to such on a public board, much less undertake such a task. The money doesn't bother me as much - she's aligned with the Ramseys, and anyone publicly in their camp has got serious $$$$$ in their eyes, if you ask me. But to actually view kiddie for any reason - that's just victimizing the child yet one more time. My stomach hurts from this.

 

[RiverRat]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HORRIBLE!!! I can't believe she'd admit to such on a public board, much less undertake such a task. The money doesn't bother me as much - she's aligned with the Ramseys, and anyone publicly in their camp has got serious $$$$$ in their eyes, if you ask me. But to actually view kiddie for any reason - that's just victimizing the child yet one more time. My stomach hurts from this.

I was scared it was just me for a minute.....

 

[Rocky]

does anyone have info about Karr's home that he grew up in 9 miles from the Ramseys?

was there any conections in their families leading back that far?

 

[UKGuy]

The Ramseys covered their association with jameson in their book. :doh:

Helloooo, is anyone out there? I know for a fact that there is ONE poster here that could help validate jameson's child collection but I guess that is not as upsetting as receiving and not sharing 40G.

RiverRat,

I'm not too certain what you are suggesting here?

Is it that JMK is the prior member who was charged with child ?

Or that jameson received 40G of said material, and did not disclose this to law enforcement?

How is it possible to validate this, only LE are able to check such stuff?


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[Leila]

I believe suspect John Karr's brother lives in Atlanta as per various news articles found on google.

As I stated it is a RUMOR that one or more of the Karrs may have been a handyman for the Ramseys......that is something I only read here at WS.....according to another poster on WS when asked if this was so the brother stated "no comment" and some took that to mean it might be true. So I speculated further that perhaps instead of being a handyman at the Boulder house he could have been a handyman at their Atlanta house...the Ramseys had previously lived in Atlanta and still visited Atlanta from time to time (were headed to Atlanta the day after christmas I believe).

I haven't read this entire thread yet, but want to address this issue of a brother of John Karr's working for the Ramsey family. According to reports, John Karr stated to Los Angeles police that he got in the Ramsey house because his brother worked for the Ramsey family. It seems to me that detectives could check the employment records of John Karr's relatives and determine if there's any truth to John Karr's statement.

 

[mysteriew]

The Karr's have come out strongly to give JMK an alibi. Yet the initial info from them was that they hadn't seen or heard from him in 5 years. They had to known about the child in California. Yet they were quick to come forward.
Initially in the media were hints that JMK may have been connected to the Ramseys through his brother.
One brother is in the media. Who is the other brother and what is his history? Why is he not coming forward to 'defend' his brother?
Wasn't there a rumor of 2 sets of footprints in the basement?

 

[scandi]

Hi Rocky, I assume you are talking about the house in Atlanta that is on a street something like Valley View {sorry, I don't remember the exact name ;} They did both live on this street but at different times, like many years apart.

Too bad, huh, as that would have placed them as possibly having known each other.

Scandi

 

[Eagle1]

The Ramseys Boulder house was a Tudor, the house in Charlevoix, Michigan was a Victorian. Both were extensively remodeled by the Ramseys. In Patsy's Christmas 1996 letter, she mentioned the Charlevoix house might be featured in a Better Homes & Garden magazine in 1997.

Hey, there was rumored to have been a strange man in Charlevoix, hanging around the gas station bad-mouthing JR, and another (?) hitching a ride with a resident driving by in a van, and another (?) sleeping in JonBenet's bed there. Two housekeepers saw his neatnik suitcase at the foot of the bed, and cowboy boots, but he must have been in the bathroom (?) and they notified the R's in Boulder. This I believe was all from the swamp.

Did he really have something against JR, maybe had been scolded when seen being too friendly with kids or snubbed or rejected as a contractor or something, that Patsy didn't know about? Since his "confession" he's only talked about loving little girls, not resenting JR in any way. Doesn't necessarily mean anything, I know. He got over it? Felt he'd settled that score? Assuming any of what we've heard turns out to be true, just trying to fill in blanks. He didn't go after any of the schools' employees who'd fired him. But had no way of knowing if they had beauty queen kids I guess. That was the main attraction/connection.

 

[RiverRat]

RiverRat,

I'm not too certain what you are suggesting here?

Is it that JMK is the prior member who was charged with child ?

Or that jameson received 40G of said material, and did not disclose this to law enforcement?

How is it possible to validate this, only LE are able to check such stuff?


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My Bad....and Bad Me - ignore that post - the poster that was I was referring to had to have gotten the message. :innocent:

The Tab money isn't connected to the surfing for child though if that helps!

 

[BillyGoatGruff]

I am not real impressed with the Karr family's statements so far. These people are SO positive JMK could not have traveled to Colorado during that Christmas but these are the same people shocked and dismayed to learn he has been traveling all over the world the past 5 years. If JMK could find a way to travel to France, Honduras and Thailand without his family knowing anything about it why do we find it so absurb he could end up in Colorado undetected?

Karr did his world tarveling affter he gave up his pretense at normalcy--which included a home, a job, automobile, children, wife and extended family. Before 2001 he was encumbered with all these things, which make the decision to leap up and travel halfway across the country during a major holiday when you barely have two pennies to rub together whole lot more problematic.

 

[BillyGoatGruff]

Maybe JK told Lara (after spending Xmas morning with her and the kids) that he was driving to Atlanta to spend time with his father and brothers. Maybe he drove to the airport and hopped on a plane for Boulder instead. The family in Atlanta thought he was spending the remainder of the holiday with Lara. Fairly easily done, and no one would be the wiser. I don't know the time to fly to Colorada and back, but I think JK could accomplish this deed ( including hiding in the Ramsey's house and killing JB) in less than 24 hours.

Nate and Wex were too quick to defend him. Apparently JK hasn't even spoken to them in 5 years, and they thought he may be dead, yet Nate says, "It would have been a family scandal if John hadn't been with his family at Xmas."

Maybe they were "two quick to defend him" because they know he's been crazy most of his adult life and has a tendecy to lie about himself and his adventures. I suspect his family's been having to deal with the upshots of his peculiar behavior ever since he ditched high school. Wouldn't be the first family that had to.

 

[Rocky]

Hi Rocky, I assume you are talking about the house in Atlanta that is on a street something like Valley View {sorry, I don't remember the exact name ;} They did both live on this street but at different times, like many years apart.

Too bad, huh, as that would have placed them as possibly having known each other.

Scandi

so there is a possibility of a mutual friend from the neighborhood connecting the families...

 

[Rocky]

My Bad....and Bad Me - ignore that post - the poster that was I was referring to had to have gotten the message. :innocent:

The Tab money isn't connected to the surfing for child though if that helps!

Yep, that rocked the BB ranch...

 

[BillyGoatGruff]

Those are excellent questions that I don't know the answer to. He probably flew under a different name. Airline regulations were very different a decade ago. And maybe he did pay in cash. His family said he couldn't have afforded MARTA (public transportation in Atlanta), much less an airplane ticket. But this man obviously had the means somehow, judging by his sports cars and worldwide travels...

I think he had suppressed his desires for little girls for a long time, and wanted to make his fantasies come true. It is so sick to even type this, but maybe as a Christmas present for himself?

*Sigh*
The sports cars were the dealer vehicles from he was selling used cars, and his father gave him the money to start up that business, apparently in between his two marriages, which apparently failed. Not surprisng, given this guy's odd social skills. Used car salesmen may be as manipulative as Karr, but usually they are more personable.

I suspect that Karr's money--what there was of it--may have been a small inheritance from his mother's estate or grandparent's. Either that or he sold his houe in Hamilton to his father (who owns it now) and used those proceeds. Perhaps his wife came into a little money. He moved his whole family to California from Alabama in 2000. Not a cheap feat, or an easy one. His mother died in 2000. Or perhaps he was getting money from his dad that was supposed to go towards helping the family that he squirreled away for himself.

Traveling the world isn't THAT expensive if you fly coach and carry your life in a knapsack or two. Hostels and traverlers' associations are scattered throughout the world for people traveling on the cuff. It's not like this guy was staying in four star hotels and eating at Maxim's in Paris. There's a reason why he looks as skinny as hell now, compared to the photos from 5 years ago. He's been missing meals. I suspect he was making money here and there teaching English in various locales, or working for restaurants or other businesses that needed some who could speak English. I've had plenty of friends who torure Europe and Asia as little more than $1000 seed money and were gone for two years, so I know it can be done.

The only time Karr was ever in Colorado before being flown to Boulder is when his family's car (certainly not a Jaguar or DeLorean) broke down in the state on their way to California in 2000.

 

[Jayelles]

Rickamortii over at Purgatory is a reliable provider of sources and she has made a post stating that in the 9/4 edition of N/E there is a statement by two friends of the Karrs with the surname Shepler. RM is wondering if this is the connection between the ramseys and the Karrs because Patsy's maternal relatives are called Shepler.

Now I'm not sure if this is a coincidence or not. Another poster is doing some digging. I have a feeling that Patsy's Shepler relatives might be based in West Virginia rather than Atlanta, but it's interesting nevertheless.

 

[UKGuy]

Rickamortii over at Purgatory is a reliable provider of sources and she has made a post stating that in the 9/4 edition of N/E there is a statement by two friends of the Karrs with the surname Shepler. RM is wondering if this is the connection between the ramseys and the Karrs because Patsy's maternal relatives are called Shepler.

Now I'm not sure if this is a coincidence or not. Another poster is doing some digging. I have a feeling that Patsy's Shepler relatives might be based in West Virginia rather than Atlanta, but it's interesting nevertheless.

Jayelles,

I have not double checked this but one Naomi Rymer Shepler, who has three sons Thomas W. Shepler, Salisbury, Gregory W. Shepler, Lexington, and Randall A. Shepler, Singapore; is related as sister to one Nedra Paugh, Atlanta.

edited to add:
Naomi Rymer Shepler was Born June 16, 1929, in Ellenboro, W. Va.


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[Camper]

Just a thought, but, there would have been two of "The Ramseys"

JR and his first wife would have been known as 'The Ramseys'
and
JR and his second wife would have been known as "The Ramseys'.

Question: Would or could one or more of the Karr 'boys' worked for the first set of "The Ramseys", hence JR could avoid a direct knowledge of having known any of the Karr boys, in earlier years?

WE donut know what the Karr boys might have done for odd jobs as perhaps teenagers, do WE?

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[Rocky]

this has to be the best group of sleuths on the web...

so now we have the possible link between Karrs and Ramseys, and a possible explaination of why she called him an uncle... he might be distantly related through marriage...

or as Camper mentioned met during teen years...

 

[aspidistra]

Just a thought, but, there would have been two of "The Ramseys"

JR and his first wife would have been known as 'The Ramseys'
and
JR and his second wife would have been known as "The Ramseys'.

Question: Would or could one or more of the Karr 'boys' worked for the first set of "The Ramseys", hence JR could avoid a direct knowledge of having known any of the Karr boys, in earlier years?

WE donut know what the Karr boys might have done for odd jobs as perhaps teenagers, do WE?

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Camper, this is a brilliant hypothesis. I only hope detectives are on this trail right now among other important trails to prove or disprove that one of his brothers once worked for Ramsey.