What The Hell Is Going On Here??????????

[Ames]

How exciting!!

Yeah, we can't wait. The C-section is actually on Nov. 16th, so I will be out of commission for awhile on that day, and for a little while afterward. I will tell you guys "BYE" before I go, in case something happens to me...you just NEVER know.

 

[Ames]

These people need me Rino. They have been so brainwashed by tabloid junk and people like Steve [does my hair look okay?] Thomas, they have to be shown the error of their ways.

Did you know, that they actually believe that JonBenet was accidently killed by her mother, because she wet the bed? I kid you not, that is their belief. However, they have the habit of changing the way that it happened, when they feel the need.

One minute, it is Patsy losing control in the bathroom and throwing or pushing JonBenet against the edge of the bath, next minute, it is JonBenet being taken down to the basement and smashed over the head with a torch.

Apparently, the scene of crime officers were so inept, that they failed to check the bath for signs of hair or skin, left by the impact. Likewise, the same thing happened with the torch.

Of course, by ignoring the bath and the torch, they did not check to see if the the hole left in JonBenet's skull, matched either of them. That is a real pity.

Callan,

Forensic Dr. Spitz (sp) says the indentation in her skull matches the "torch" exactly, not a little bit, but exactly.

Callan, you are making statements but it is clearer and clearer you have not read up on this case.

Callan, what do you think happened?:slap:

Since it is extremely obvious that Callan has NOT read up on this case...I doubt that he/she even has a theory. Like with my sister...she is IDI also, and hasn't read anything about this case, she couldn't even remember the state that it happened in, and thought that the Ramsey's were poor!! But, she doesn't have an explanation on the Ransom letter, the pineapple, the tea glass, the fact that the intruder didn't bring in his own pen or paper, the wiped down flashlight, the fact that there was no footprints found, the fact that John Ramsey only spent 30 seconds outside looking for JB, how the "intruder" escaped in the dark, an intruder theory....the list goes on and on AND ON. All she thinks that she knows is....."an intruder did it"..she doesn't know who, what, why or how or anything...just..."an intruder did it. Oh, okay then....

 

[daffodil]

Everybody ignored my theory of the bedpost

 

[Solace]

Yeah, we can't wait. The C-section is actually on Nov. 16th, so I will be out of commission for awhile on that day, and for a little while afterward. I will tell you guys "BYE" before I go, in case something happens to me...you just NEVER know.

Lawd Almighty, I will not hear that kind of talk. Everything will be fine.

 

[Ames]

Ames,

Rash is always there when we need her. She always surfaces at just the right time. Hi Rash!

I know...she is so funny. Rashie just pops up out of nowhere, when you need her the most. :dance: Hurray for Rashie!!!

 

[Ames]

Everybody ignored my theory of the bedpost

I missed it. What post # is it in? You mean a bedpost in JB's room? I don't think that she had bed posts, but am not 100 percent sure...I will have to go back and look at the picture of her bedroom.

This photo of her bed, shows a bed post...but, it is a short, low to the ground one...at the foot of her bed.

http://www.acandyrose.com/002jonbenetbed.jpg

Speaking of the bed, the more that I look at it, the more that I think that she didn't even sleep in that bed that night. I think that she slept in Burke's room. John said, in his interview, that the sweater at the foot of JB's bed, belonged to Patsy. Why would Patsy's sweater be on JB's bed? And why would the "intruder" move her pillow to the foot of the bed?

 

[Ames]

Lawd Almighty, I will not hear that kind of talk. Everything will be fine.

LOL..thanks Solace, I sure hope so.

 

[BOESP]

Everybody ignored my theory of the bedpost

I read it daffodil and I think it is certainly a possibility, especially since Patsy made a comment to one of her interviewers asking if blood was found on a curtain. I think it is odd, too, that a hand-weight (or small dumbbell / barbell) was supposedly found in JonBenet's bedroom.

I doubt you are being ignored. I don't always respond to every post and don't always read all of them either. Just jump in and speak up.

 

[Callan]

Why do you think she was not charged Callan? And also, I am not sure I understand your meaning when you say you dont see any reference to either - do you mean the fibers from Patsy's jacket that were found in the garrotte, under the tape and in the paint tray?

Callan, as I recall it, you did not think it possible that Jon Benet's skull was cracked and no blood appeared on the "outside" of her head. That is exactly what happened though. My point here is that I think you are assuming much in this case, when you should not be. The fact is there was no outer evidence of a cracked skull, but upon examination, the skull was basically split and hemmoraging (sp) was extensive under the skull in three separate areas.

It was you assuming that he was refering to the jacket fibres Solace. He did not say what this 'mystery evidence' was, he just indicated that it was highly significant and that it was enough bring charges. None were brought, so he was obviously lying.

In forensic science, you do not need to rely on blood, to have evidence. If JonBenet was thrown or pushed against something in the bathroom, microscopic traces of hair and skin from her head, would be in the very crevices of the bath and wall.

If you don't believe me, check out some websites.

 

[BOESP]

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http://www.acandyrose.com/002jonbenetbed.jpg

Speaking of the bed, the more that I look at it, the more that I think that she didn't even sleep in that bed that night. I think that she slept in Burke's room. John said, in his interview, that the sweater at the foot of JB's bed, belonged to Patsy. Why would Patsy's sweater be on JB's bed? And why would the "intruder" move her pillow to the foot of the bed?

Did Patsy wear that sweater to the White's Christmas party? Inquiring minds want to know!

As to the Intruder moving JonBenet's pillow, I doubt that happened. Kidnapping Intruders don't dilly-dally. They snatch and run (and not to the basement).

I still can't believe this case wasn't taken to trial, if for no other reason than to bring out the evidence. I know Hunter said he wanted to save evidence for a trial that wouldn't result in a hung jury but if they tried someone for second degree manslaughter, they could have (technically) run a kidnapping charge through at a later date. In some states, just removing someone from their bed and bedroom against their will can be considered kidnapping. :waitasec:

 

[rashomon]

Thanks for your nice words, Solace and Ames!

LOL..thanks Solace, I sure hope so.

I hope everything is going to be fine Ames, and will be thinking of you.

 

[Ames]

I read it daffodil and I think it is certainly a possibility, especially since Patsy made a comment to one of her interviewers asking if blood was found on a curtain. I think it is odd, too, that a hand-weight (or small dumbbell / barbell) was supposedly found in JonBenet's bedroom.

I doubt you are being ignored. I don't always respond to every post and don't always read all of them either. Just jump in and speak up.

I find that dumbbell thing odd too. And before Callan asks....John is specifically asked about the dumb bell weight found in JB's room, in his 1998 interview. I will be happy to re-post it, if anyone wants to read it.

 

[Ames]

Did Patsy wear that sweater to the White's Christmas party? Inquiring minds want to know!

As to the Intruder moving JonBenet's pillow, I doubt that happened. Kidnapping Intruders don't dilly-dally. They snatch and run (and not to the basement).

I still can't believe this case wasn't taken to trial, if for no other reason than to bring out the evidence. I know Hunter said he wanted to save evidence for a trial that wouldn't result in a hung jury but if they tried someone for second degree manslaughter, they could have (technically) run a kidnapping charge through at a later date. In some states, just removing someone from their bed and bedroom against their will can be considered kidnapping. :waitasec:

You know, I don't think that it was the sweater that she wore. I could be wrong, though. Seems like she did wear it at one point though, to another Christmas party perhaps. I will have to go and research that part of John's interview.

Did you watch the 10th year anniversary JB Special on 48 hours, last year. They said that there was a WHOLE WAREHOUSE full of items that they hadn't even GONE THROUGH, yet. I guess the Ramsey money is still doing the talking. In Boulder, when money talks....people listen, evidently.

 

[BOESP]

It was you assuming that he was refering to the jacket fibres Solace. He did not say what this 'mystery evidence' was, he just indicated that it was highly significant and that it was enough bring charges. None were brought, so he was obviously lying.

In forensic science, you do not need to rely on blood, to have evidence. If JonBenet was thrown or pushed against something in the bathroom, microscopic traces of hair and skin from her head, would be in the very crevices of the bath and wall.

If you don't believe me, check out some websites.

Callan, the question is how do you know that evidence was not gathered from the bathtub and other bathroom areas? No crime scene photos have been published and not all the evidence has been made public. Maybe, if you are a reporter, author or filmmaker, you might have contacts with people who are "in the know," but in my experience, the media only knows what the investigation team wants them to know. So, please Callan, tell us how you know "bathroom" evidence is nil.

P.S. Saying " If you don't believe me, check out some websites." is called "proving the negative." It's a fallacy of argument, in case you want to know. If not, carry on as you were old chap.

 

[Ames]

Thanks for your nice words, Solace and Ames!

I hope everything is going to be fine Ames, and will be thinking of you.

Thanks Rashie, I really appreciate that!! You are an :angel: !!

 

[Ames]

Callan, the question is how do you know that evidence was not gathered from the bathtub and other bathroom areas? No crime scene photos have been published and not all the evidence has been made public. Maybe, if you are an reporter, author or filmmaker, you might have contacts with people who are "in the know," but in my experience, the media only knows what the investigation team wants them to know. So, please Callan, tell us how you know "bathroom" evidence is nil.

P.S. Saying " If you don't believe me, check out some websites." is called "proving the negative." It's a fallacy of argument, in case you want to know. If not, carry on as you were old chap.

And Steve Thomas was there, and knows more than Callan does. There has to be a reason that ST suspects a bedwetting is what led to Patsy, in an accident fueled by rage, harmed her daughter.

 

[BOESP]

I find that dumbbell thing odd too. And before Callan asks....John is specifically asked about the dumb bell weight found in JB's room, in his 1998 interview. I will be happy to re-post it, if anyone wants to read it.

Thanks for the offer Ames but I imagine those here who have studied this case won't require a reference on something we already know about. If anyone doesn't know about the dumb bell, they can always read the 1998 interview.

Also, I don't want to hear any more of that "if I don't make it" stuff. I'm probably close enough to you now to come box your ears if I hear you saying that again. :blowkiss:

 

[Solace]

It was you assuming that he was refering to the jacket fibres Solace. He did not say what this 'mystery evidence' was, he just indicated that it was highly significant and that it was enough bring charges. None were brought, so he was obviously lying.

In forensic science, you do not need to rely on blood, to have evidence. If JonBenet was thrown or pushed against something in the bathroom, microscopic traces of hair and skin from her head, would be in the very crevices of the bath and wall.

If you don't believe me, check out some websites.

Callan,

You intruder theorists always rely on the same old argument, there was no arrest, therefore they are not guilty. If this case had been in Manhattan, the Ramseys would have been separated and grilled. There was more circumstantial evidence in this case than in the Scott Peterson case. So please, that argument is baseless.

Haney is not lying when he tells Patsy he has scientific evidence that implicates her. He had the fibers. He also asks her about molestation and if it would surprise her if that were true. He also had the evidence that would implicate someone of prior sexual abuse.

Because he does not show her the evidence, does not mean it is not there.

What have you read on this case?

 

[BOESP]

You know, I don't think that it was the sweater that she wore. I could be wrong, though. Seems like she did wear it at one point though, to another Christmas party perhaps. I will have to go and research that part of John's interview.

Did you watch the 10th year anniversary JB Special on 48 hours, last year. They said that there was a WHOLE WAREHOUSE full of items that they hadn't even GONE THROUGH, yet. I guess the Ramsey money is still doing the talking. In Boulder, when money talks....people listen, evidently.

Somewhere in, I think, an interview, someone mentioned that the sweater was probably the one Arianna Pugh wore when she and her mother Linda were asked to stay for the party on the 23rd. Maybe the sweater had been lying there for three days ... maybe Patsy thought that on the third day it would rise and put itself in her sweater drawer (kind of like Lazarus :slap

Yes, I saw the 48 Hours special. Makes you wonder why Smit didn't go through it. Surely John Ramsey could have hired a couple of helper bees.

 

[Solace]

Everybody ignored my theory of the bedpost

I am going to check it out right now.