What the Prosecution Thinks About Media Reporting in this case

[MarleneM]

Since it's being debated here, I'm confused about the term/act of premeditation as it's defined in our courts. Everyone playing devil's advocate on this board seems to suggest that one would have to be found guilty of (seemingly) extended and deliberate acts of planning an assault - and apparently be caught on tape or witnessed by another person - before the person could be found guilty of premeditated murder.

But both prosecution and defense talking heads on tv have stated that premeditation as it pertains to murder in our legal system can happen mere seconds before the crime. For example, NG listed an example as the act of raising a gun and pointing it at someone as premeditation and her panel agreed. When she stated that "premeditation can happen in the twinkling of an eye", it wasn't contested by even the defense lawyers she had on. They all agreed. With this definition, perhaps the simple act of ripping off a piece of duct tape (that the prosecution may intend to argue suffocated little Caylee), would be enough to constitute a charge that the State intends to argue was a premeditated crime.

I know a little about a lot, but I know nothing about legal jargon. Can someone straighten me out on how complicated premeditation is to prove? Because from what I've read and seen, there is a gulf of difference between what some posters on this board are saying and what lawyers on tv are supporting their reputations with. TIA.

 

[daisy7]

When samples of Caylee's hair was requested by LE, Cindy admittedly and purposely provided a hairbrush that Caylee did not use rather than one that she did use.

Snipped and bolded by me. IIRC, CA provided a hairbrush used by Caylee, BUT not exclusively by Caylee (otherwise, LE wouldn't have had her hairs for comparison).

This was a big story for the media and on this forum, so maybe that's where the confusion came from.

 

[pirate]

Bolded by me

Many of the 'facts' you have quoted are actually irrelevant to the murder charge against KC, such as the fact that she lied about having a job, stole from people, Cindy's and George's actions and feelings etc. etc., but there is certainly evidence that 'KC was involved in the death of her daughter'. But the point is, she is charged with premeditated murder. Which of the above 'facts', or indeed which of any of the facts that we know of, proves she is guilty of that?

ETA
I think a good many of the '99%' of people you believe think KC is 'guilty' (you didn't specify what of by the way) are most likely assuming that because her 'nanny' story is blatantly a lie, this means she must have murdered Caylee, but that doesn't automatically follow. I have read so many posts that say things like 'well, there wasn't a nanny was there, so it's obvious that it was KC who murdered her', but this logic is based on the assumption that she was actually 'murdered', a fact that has not yet been proved.

Many of the facts I posted may not tie her directly to the murder, but the sum of all of the parts point to the kind of person Casey is and provide evidence that she was involved.

I don't know why the media- including local news, national shows like NG and GR and tabloids feel the need to sensationalize a case that is already very sensational without spin.

That was my point- nothing needs to be added to the facts. Casey Anthony has made herself appear guilty. IMO if she were not guilty she would have explained herself.

Many of Casey's relatives and some of her closest friends have called her diabolical and sociopathic, among other things- including her mother.

 

[Spangle]

Bolded by me

Many of the 'facts' you have quoted are actually irrelevant to the murder charge against KC, such as the fact that she lied about having a job, stole from people, Cindy's and George's actions and feelings etc. etc., but there is certainly evidence that 'KC was involved in the death of her daughter'. But the point is, she is charged with premeditated murder. Which of the above 'facts', or indeed which of any of the facts that we know of, proves she is guilty of that?

ETA
I think a good many of the '99%' of people you believe think KC is 'guilty' (you didn't specify what of by the way) are most likely assuming that because her 'nanny' story is blatantly a lie, this means she must have murdered Caylee, but that doesn't automatically follow. I have read so many posts that say things like 'well, there wasn't a nanny was there, so it's obvious that it was KC who murdered her', but this logic is based on the assumption that she was actually 'murdered', a fact that has not yet been proved.

IT proves motive. IT proves she has the ablity to live a 'lie' before and after planning an 'event.' It shows her willingness to break the law and even use friends and family. IT establishs alot of her 'MO'.

When at trial, she will not be able to portray that she is some sweet, innocent person who wouldn't do stuff like what was listed. Much less what she is being accused of.

That they are listed as facts, that can not be disproved.. makes the case so much easier.

That she has lied constantly for the last several years, and over the silliest stuff shows she will lie to anyone, for anything. It's important.

 

[PoppyH]

Bold by me. Have we seen the death certificate, yet?

NO But Dr, G said thats what she was listing on the DC, she had no reason to Lie

 

[songline]

I believe the part of the video shown to the public is on the Media thread on the main forum page at the top. (Again, not certain we ever saw the entire video.)

Thank you so much I go look.

 

[TxLady2]

Sorry...my bad....the hair on her skull had to be cut so the ME could remove the duct tape.

And where was it stated by the ME that she had to cut the hair to remove the duct tape? Is that stated in the autopsy report? Because the only source I have heard that statement from is Nancy Grace. I haven't downloaded all the documents because I have a slow computer, it takes forever.

 

[PoppyH]

And where was it stated by the ME that she had to cut the hair to remove the duct tape? Is that stated in the autopsy report? Because the only source I have heard that statement from is Nancy Grace. I haven't downloaded all the documents because I have a slow computer, it takes forever.

It is in the latest set of Docs, I saw it myself, The ME had to cut Caylees hair to seperate it from the duct tape

 

[songline]

Could you please send a cc of that to Geraldo?

LOL
Pleeeze Geraldo is not interested in this case; He is only interested in plugging his Latin buddy.
That is it in a nutshell.
He should know after all these years that reporting means giving accurate un-slated information.

 

[Jolynna]

Many of the facts I posted may not tie her directly to the murder, but the sum of all of the parts point to the kind of person Casey is and provide evidence that she was involved.

I don't know why the media- including local news, national shows like NG and GR and tabloids feel the need to sensationalize a case that is already very sensational without spin.

That was my point- nothing needs to be added to the facts. Casey Anthony has made herself appear guilty. IMO if she were not guilty she would have explained herself.

Many of Casey's relatives and some of her closest friends have called her diabolical and sociopathic, among other things- including her mother.

So far all the media reporting has been based on affidavits, warrants, videos, tapes, computer forensics and known physical evidence.

As far as ANYONE knows, to this day, Casey hasn't even told her family where Caylee was after June 16.

How can people (or the media) see her side when she doesn't have one?

JMO

 

[TxLady2]

Legal definition of homicide:

homicide

The killing of one human being by the act or omission of another. The term applies to all such killings, whether criminal or not. Homicide is considered noncriminal in a number of situations, including deaths as the result of war and putting someone to death by the valid sentence of a court. Killing may also be legally justified or excused, as it is in cases of self-defense or when someone is killed by another person who is attempting to prevent a violent felony. Criminal homicide occurs when a person purposely, knowingly, recklessly or negligently causes the death of another. Murder and manslaughter are both examples of criminal homicide.

Thank you for posting this definition. I was going to go search for one, but decided to read through the thread... glad I did.
"Slain" implies a deliberate and cruel act of killing someone, whereas "homicide" covers a broad spectrum of death, either intentional or accidental. So the media using the word "slain" is improper and prejudicial, IMO.

 

[daisy7]

NO But Dr, G said thats what she was listing on the DC, she had no reason to Lie

OT, I also don't believe she had any reason to lie. I just want to see the death certificate...especially, the date of death that is listed, or not...

 

[TxLady2]

I have a good idea! If people do not like the way things are being reported by one station or another...turn the channel or just walk away. If no one is watching them, they will change the way they report the news.

It would be nice if that worked, but unfortunately, it won't.

 

[daisy7]

So far all the media reporting has been based on affidavits, warrants, videos, tapes, computer forensics and known physical evidence.

JMO

I SO do not mean to sound snarky, but my immediate response when I read this is...what about LP and his nightly shows on NG?

Don't want this to turn into a thread about LP, just trying to make a point that everything reported in the media is NOT from the above

 

[Bev]

I have been searching and I can't find any document where AL tells LE that he told her she could move in but not the daughter. I can't find any document where he says SHE could move in.

 

[Jolynna]

Thank you for posting this definition. I was going to go search for one, but decided to read through the thread... glad I did.
"Slain" implies a deliberate and cruel act of killing someone, whereas "homicide" covers a broad spectrum of death, either intentional or accidental. So the media using the word "slain" is improper and prejudicial, IMO.

Slain means dead.The words are interchangeable.

http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/slain


Slain's synonyms are killed, fallen, perished, slaughtered, casualty and lost. Which also covers a BROAD spectrum.

 

[Jolynna]

I SO do not mean to sound snarky, but my immediate response when I read this is...what about LP and his nightly shows on NG?

Don't want this to turn into a thread about LP, just trying to make a point that everything reported in the media is NOT from the above

LP isn't a reporter.

Just like the talking heads and us, he's voicing opinions.

 

[Jolynna]

I have been searching and I can't find any document where AL tells LE that he told her she could move in but not the daughter. I can't find any document where he says SHE could move in.

The information came out at the same time Tony's texts to Casey on the day she got picked up by Cindy did.

Casey said she had to move because George and Cindy were fighting and divorcing. Tony said Casey was welcome but that his apartment wasn't a good place for a child and that Caylee couldn't stay with him.

Casey also told JG on June 16 that she had to move out of George's and Cindy's home because of the fighting and upcoming divorce. This was at 2:52. Jesse thinks he may have heard Caylee in the background during the conversation. George says he saw Caylee at 1 p.m.

By a little after 4 Casey was headed for Tony's apartment with all her clothes and hygienic supplies.

 

[MOMto5]

And where was it stated by the ME that she had to cut the hair to remove the duct tape? Is that stated in the autopsy report? Because the only source I have heard that statement from is Nancy Grace. I haven't downloaded all the documents because I have a slow computer, it takes forever.

I didn't feel like going through the documents, but at this link, poster Hot Dogs has attached an image of the document that states the hair had to be cut by Dr. Utz to remove the duct tape. (Post referenced is #572)

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78535&highlight=cut+hair&page=5

"When Dr. Utz went to remove the duct tape, he noticed that the tape was attached on both ends to the child's hair. The hair had to be cut in order for the duct tape to be removed."

 

[Bev]

So he texted that to her?