What would you ask Kyron's teacher?

[Etilema]

Above BBM... If I am not mistaken[and I'll go look for link to back up]on the day of the 4th many things were not standard procedure such as the 10 am roll call, classes starting later than usual, and the procedure for signing out in the office were not required that day..

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Typically, in most schools, if a parent wants to take a child out of the school building after they have arrived in school they must inform the main office and sign the child out. It seems security was very lax at Skyline Elementary school on the day of the science fair~end snip

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5502324/kyron_horman_age_7_still_missing_step.html

It could be that since she was with Kyron the whole time, came and left before school officially started, it wouldn't be considered "removing him from the school". In other words, since it wasn't during the actual school day, it may not have been necessary to sign him out.

JMO

 

[Etilema]

I don't know about Oregon, but in my state, it would be easier to remove the governor from her office than to remove a teacher from her classroom! Cases drag on for years when school boards try to get rid of a bad teacher. It may be a union thing, teachers with a certain number of years are there to stay (unless they have improper relations with a student, then they can fire them).

Sounds like NY. I've heard they even have a building where such teachers "in limbo" can go to be paid to do basically nothing, because the school system can't fire them but they don't want them in the classroom. Anyway, that's what I've heard.

 

[Etilema]

Does this not concern anyone? The sub was obviously panicked, because "calm down, calm down" was necessary to say. Then why in that state of panic by the sub didn't she, the teacher, remember the doctor's appointment?

And, [I just woke up so maybe I'm missing something], then WHEN did Kyron return from getting the drink of water or going to the bathroom????????????????? Why didn't the teacher say 30 minutes later where is Kyron or why didn't the sub? If the sub believed he went to the bathroom or to get a drink, THEN THERE IS NO CONCERN WHERE HE IS THE REST OF THE DAY?

I think what you are missing is that most people simply do not believe TP's account of what happened that morning!

One big reason I don't believe it is that LE doesn't seem to put stock in it, which I think must be a result of all the other interviews they did, with the other students, the teachers, the non-existent "sub" (perhaps he means a chaperone?).

ETA: And the things you are pointing out, above, just go to show that the story doesn't make sense on the face of it. Of course the question would be, "Well, where is he?" when 30 minutes later (or 10 minutes later) he didn't show up. And they would not have marked him absent if they expected him to return. He can't have left beforehand for a doctor's appointment and ALSO have accompanied the group on their tour.

JMO

 

[BeanE]

It could be that since she was with Kyron the whole time, came and left before school officially started, it wouldn't be considered "removing him from the school". In other words, since it wasn't during the actual school day, it may not have been necessary to sign him out.

JMO

What time did the actual school day start for the children who arrived on buses that day around 8:30? Who was responsible for their safety between 8:45 and 10?

 

[Etilema]

What time did the actual school day start for the children who arrived on buses that day around 8:30? Who was responsible for their safety between 8:45 and 10?

It was reported that the bell rang at 8:45. And that TH is said to have left at 8:45. So if she left for the doctor appointment with Kyron, it would have been before he was supposed to appear in class to be assigned to a group.

 

[BeanE]

It was reported that the bell rang at 8:45. And that TH is said to have left at 8:45. So if she left for the doctor appointment with Kyron, it would have been before he was supposed to appear in class to be assigned to a group.

I see what you're saying. Thanks!

 

[citigirl]

Sounds like NY. I've heard they even have a building where such teachers "in limbo" can go to be paid to do basically nothing, because the school system can't fire them but they don't want them in the classroom. Anyway, that's what I've heard.

I think this is true, in most states, but only after the teacher has tenure. Before that, I have seen teachers dismissed for the slightest of reasons if they don't have tenure. If administration gets even a hint that a teacher might become a problem before they have tenure, they will be dismissed. (In fact, I beleive this is what happened to Terri).

One district I worked in would dismiss a substitute permanently for even one parent complaint, which even the best of teachers have to field--and often.

 

[SmoothOperator]

It could be that since she was with Kyron the whole time, came and left before school officially started, it wouldn't be considered "removing him from the school". In other words, since it wasn't during the actual school day, it may not have been necessary to sign him out.

JMO

Thank you so very much Etilema for stating this. I knew that there was a reason he did not have to be checked out(from very early on this is what I have firmly thought that there was no need for Kyron to be checked out) However yesterday when I was discussing this subject for the first time since beginning I misspoke about there not being a "check out" procedure that day(and BeanE quickly corrected me that was not true)...

So, after that I have been racking my brain thinking I know there was a reason that IT WAS NOT NECESSARY for Kyron to be checked out! I just knew it, as there has never been any allegations of the teacher NOT FOLLOWING procedure that day and THIS IS IT!

THIS IS THE REASON THAT IT WAS NOT NECESSARY FOR KYRON TO BE CHECKED OUT THAT DAY. If Kyron was never marked PRESENT then what would he be being "checked out" from? You are correct, he would NOT.

We know per many sources that Kyron Horman was MARKED ABSENT that day, therefor there would be nothing Porter did WRONG(as some have alluded her not ensuring Kyron was checked out, BS, he didnt have to be checked out)

IMO why there was NO "stink" made about Kyron being there to tour the Fair(remember that this was pre-school officially starting that he toured the fair)and then when roll was taken he was not there and marked ABSENT IMO the entire reason no alerts, nothing or no one alarmed is because Terri had tole K. Porter that Kyron had a dr. appt (and I'll remind of one other point. TERRI IS THE ONLY ONE CLAIMING THIS "CONFUSION" ABOUT THE APPT BEING MISUNDERSTOOD BY PORTER.No one or nothing says anything even similar in nature it is ONLY PER TERRI of this "confusion" and IMO there was no confusion whatsoever Porter knows exactly what Terri told her about that appt and I think this important detail was relayed to LE as early as the afternoon of the 4th by Ms. Porter herself and IMO that is exactly what steered the focus of the investigation onto Terri so very early on)..

And lastly I'll add I do not think Porter will have any confusion or problem testifying to exactly what Terri said to her about that dr appt. I'm sure the words Terri said are forever etched into the memory of Ms. Porter. It was still extremely fresh in her mind when Kyron went missing, its not as if Terri had told her this weeks or even days ahead rather at the most 24hrs if she told THurs afternoon as some have said or within just a few hours if Terri told on Friday the 4th as its also been reported...

Thanks Etilema for reminding me about this little tidbit that Ive been racking my brain to remember