When Was Haleigh Last Seen?

[Emeralgem]

I am making Christmas Fudge today so I apologize for taking so long to reply.

I can't direct you to a source because I was giving you my opinion, what I said was that the questions came after parents at the bus stop got their days mixed up. I have never been confused about who picked up Haleigh from the bus stop on the day that she went missing because early on Ronald said he picked Haleigh up that day. My ears perked up a bit when TN was interviewed and it was posted that she said she picked Haleigh up but that was cleared up in a later interview.

I mean no disrespect when I say this because it truly is just an opinion but I feel that when Art Harris came into the picture, one of his primary goals was to inject drama and confusion into the investigation. He has even said himself that his focus was in keeping the spotlight on Haleigh and he could run with any story he wanted to because it is his website. Law Enforcement never confirmed any of his claims about what happened at the bus stop. I certainly am not dismissing what parents claim to have seen Misty do, or overheard Misty say. But, in my opinion it wasn't on the day that Haleigh went missing.

To my knowledge JS has never stated he got his days mixed up concerning that afternoon when he stated he saw Misty pick up Haleigh.
Also, WHY would he lie to FDLE? I also find it totally mind boggling and frustrating that LE hasn't bothered to confirm or deny the information that JS gave to them.. Personally, I believe it is a very important issue, and should be addressed one way or the other.. But thats just my opinion on the subject...JMO

 

[momuv3angels]

We have a witness that saw Haleigh alive at 7pm. Personally I believe that she went over there to see if Misty had company that night.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18871703/detail.html

snip~Though a painful task, she said she wants the home to look like the last time she saw Haleigh, at 7 p.m. before the night the child disappeared.

"They put their plates down and came and gave me a hug and a kiss.[B] I gave Misty the clean clothes and she carried them in the house. [/B]Then, I left. I kissed her goodbye, and I left," Sykes said.

Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, and his girlfriend, Misty Croslin, also entered the home to get some of their belongings. Family members said stepping into the once happy home was more pain than Cummings could bear.~ end

BBM
Why did they put their plates down? Were they holding them and eating from them? Were they sitting on the cold, almost dark porch eating from plates in their little laps without a table? When I hear putting plates down, to me that means they were holding them first in order to put them down. And that just sounds strange, imo. With my kids, they have to be at a table since they are not coordinated enough to hold their plate with one hand and and eat with the other. I know Haleigh was 5, but Jr. was 4. My point is the entire statement coming from GMS about the laundry and these children eating dinner on the porch sounds kinda fishy, imo.
Why would Misty have them eating on the porch anyway? They couldn't eat in the house? Maybe there was a reason (if they were out there) she wanted them out. Otherwise, if thats what GMS really saw that night, didn't she consider that a wee bit odd?
I agree, the stories of these two grandmas should be looked at a little closer.

 

[nomoresorrow]

BBM
Why did they put their plates down? Were they holding them and eating from them? Were they sitting on the cold, almost dark porch eating from plates in their little laps without a table? When I hear putting plates down, to me that means they were holding them first in order to put them down. And that just sounds strange, imo. With my kids, they have to be at a table since they are not coordinated enough to hold their plate with one hand and and eat with the other. I know Haleigh was 5, but Jr. was 4. My point is the entire statement coming from GMS about the laundry and these children eating dinner on the porch sounds kinda fishy, imo.
Why would Misty have them eating on the porch anyway? They couldn't eat in the house? Maybe there was a reason (if they were out there) she wanted them out. Otherwise, if thats what GMS really saw that night, didn't she consider that a wee bit odd?
I agree, the stories of these two grandmas should be looked at a little closer.

You read my mind momuv3angels. If true, it reminds me of my mother when I was a child. She had an extremely explosive and volitile temper. When she was on one of her rampages, often ignited by her obsessiveness to have a clean (immaculate) home, for fear of us leaving a crumb or two on a table or floor she would send us outside to eat, regardless what time of year and/or weather conditions. If Haleigh & Jr. did in fact eat out on the porch that evening, in February and after sunset... someone - that someone being Misty - was not in a good mood IMO.

 

[momuv3angels]

You read my mind momuv3angels. If true, it reminds me of my mother when I was a child. She had an extremely explosive and volitile temper. When she was on one of her rampages, often ignited by her obsessiveness to have a clean (immaculate) home, for fear of us leaving a crumb or two on a table or floor she would send us outside to eat, regardless what time of year and/or weather conditions. If Haleigh & Jr. did in fact eat out on the porch that evening, in February and after sunset... someone - that someone being Misty - was not in a good mood IMO.

BBM~
Or she wanted some privacy perhaps?

 

[Meemaw12]

March 3rd on HLN news Prime Time, Mike Gelanos talked about HaLeigh.

His guests were Capt. Dick Schauland, TJ Hart and John Lucich.

Myself (Ospainter) and another member posted about it on the Monkey site within mins. of each other.

I searched online for a video or transcript of the show, it is not to be found. I contacted CNN trying to get a copy of the video and they directed me to Cision, a company who transcribes and captures video of TV shows. Yesterday I called them and was told the video would cost approx. $328.00. Not gonna buy it.

The gentleman I spoke with (Rick) searched and found what I was looking for, in text format, he sent it to me via email. Here it is;

HLN 3/3/2009 3:20PM PDT

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15:20:52.29 Are they ever legit? There are some that are legit, theres no doubt about but there are going to be most of them, i would think, out there that dont have a history or looking to develop that history, looking to develop a reputation in this industry and some of them are just outright frauds, theres no doubt about they think they have some type of power. Whether the other people do or theyre just following up on intuition, i cant tell you for sure. I can tell you in the absence of solid leads, something is better than nothing and it gives you something to go on. Hold tight. Were going to continue as we talk about little haleigh cummings. There she is, been missing three weeks now. Going to take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln. I also want to hear from you on this story. The talk of designer babies (TRT=04:39)

15:21:46.06 "Prime news" on hln. Were about news and views. We want your views as we continue to search for little 5-year-old haleigh cummings. Lets get the view of linda in texas. Welcome to the show. Your comment or question here. Caller: hi, mike. I really enjoy your show. Thanks. Caller: i just wanted to ask about the stone or boulder that was propped up against the door the night haleigh went missing. Im wondering if they were ever able to get any fingerprints off of that. Lets ask the captain about that. Captain, how big of a piece of evidence was that boulder or stone propping up the door? It was a concrete block is what was against the door propping it open. Of course they sent it off to the lab to get whatever they can off of it. Were not really releasing anything as far as what evidence we gathered, but they have sent it off to the fdle lab in jackson to get what they can from it. And, again, captain, we appreciate the sensitivities here. T.J. , Anything to add when we talk about the concrete block? Yes. Were getting some talk from the crosslin side of the family about relatives in michigan who are urging perhaps police to take a second look at this joe fellow there, this tennessee cousin, because one of his m.O.S for breaking into buildings in his past criminal career was the fact that he used bricks or blocks to prop doors open. Dont know if thats anything to go on or not, but thats what were hearing. Thats the buzz in the community. Okay. John lucich, cousin joe well, let me ask the captain. Cousin joe in tennessee was cleared once, is that correct? Or is no one cleared? No one is cleared. He has not been cleared, as well as anybody else. Somewhere down the line, we know we have a crime involved here with the disappearance of haleigh. We dont know at the moment what the crime is because we dont know whats happened to haleigh. But everybody is still in the mix. Were still looking and reinterviewing everyone involved. Otcha. Candy in north carolina. Whats your comment or question? Caller: hi, mike. I love your show. Thanks. Caller: how do they know haleigh wasnt killed earlier in the day and maybe later that night they set it up so that the girlfriend would call the boyfriend to say she was missing and propped the thing up against the door to make sure it looked like she had been killed or taken out of the home during that time? Lets ask the captain about captain, when was the last time haleigh was seen alive? Not just from misty? Can you tell us that? Her father picked her up from the school bus and took her home in the afternoon. She was seen later in the early evening by a neighbor. And that was the last time she was seen. Okay. One more call. Jean in washington. Hi, welcome to the show. Jean, you there? Caller: yes, im here. Go ahead, jean. Caller: yes. Why arent they checking that girlfriend out more? You know, its real crazy, i mean, how anyone could sleep when a child was taken out like that. Im wondering if she hadnt been out and a drug deal went sour and they came back for retaliation. All right, jean, thanks for the call again. I know the captain cant deal with that. John lucich, misty crosslin, there she is, the 17-year-old live-in girlfriend, you have to be zoning in on her. Yes. Im suspicious of the fact she woke up just before her boyfriend got home and not called the cops. This guy had to tell her to call the cops. It was like to me its possible that she was never even asleep in the first place. Im not saying thats the fact. Its very probable. As far as that brick that was holding up the door, thats typically porous and you wouldnt get prints but maybe dna as far as oil. Guys, thanks so much. More coming up on designer babies. Theres a real fear factor on wall street today (TRT=03:40)


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[Meemaw12]

I have done my best to put it in the context it was said on the show.

15:21:46.06

Mike: "Prime news" on hln. Were about news and views. We want your views as we continue to search for little 5-year-old haleigh cummings. Lets get the view of linda in texas. Welcome to the show. Your comment or question here.

Caller: hi, mike. I really enjoy your show.

Mike: Thanks.

Caller: i just wanted to ask about the stone or boulder that was propped up against the door the night haleigh went missing. Im wondering if they were ever able to get any fingerprints off of that.

Mike: Lets ask the captain about that. Captain, how big of a piece of evidence was that boulder or stone propping up the door?

Capt: It was a concrete block is what was against the door propping it open. Of course they sent it off to the lab to get whatever they can off of it. Were not really releasing anything as far as what evidence we gathered, but they have sent it off to the fdle lab in jackson to get what they can from it.

Mike: And, again, captain, we appreciate the sensitivities here. T.J. , Anything to add when we talk about the concrete block?

TJ: Yes. Were getting some talk from the crosslin side of the family about relatives in michigan who are urging perhaps police to take a second look at this joe fellow there, this tennessee cousin, because one of his m.O.S for breaking into buildings in his past criminal career was the fact that he used bricks or blocks to prop doors open. Dont know if thats anything to go on or not, but thats what were hearing. Thats the buzz in the community.

Mike: Okay. John lucich, cousin joe well, let me ask the captain. Cousin joe in tennessee was cleared once, is that correct? Or is no one cleared?

Capt: No one is cleared. He has not been cleared, as well as anybody else. Somewhere down the line, we know we have a crime involved here with the disappearance of haleigh. We dont know at the moment what the crime is because we dont know whats happened to haleigh. But everybody is still in the mix. Were still looking and reinterviewing everyone involved.

Mike: Gotcha. Candy in north carolina. Whats your comment or question?

Caller: hi, mike. I love your show.

Mike: Thanks.

Caller: how do they know haleigh wasnt killed earlier in the day and maybe later that night they set it up so that the girlfriend would call the boyfriend to say she was missing and propped the thing up against the door to make sure it looked like she had been killed or taken out of the home during that time?

Mike: Lets ask the captain about, captain, when was the last time haleigh was seen alive? Not just from misty? Can you tell us that?

Capt: Her father picked her up from the school bus and took her home in the afternoon. She was seen later in the early evening by a neighbor. And that was the last time she was seen.

Mike: Okay. One more call. Jean in washington. Hi, welcome to the show.
Jean, you there?

Caller: yes, im here.

Mike: Go ahead, jean.

Caller: yes. Why arent they checking that girlfriend out more? You know, its real crazy, i mean, how anyone could sleep when a child was taken out like that. Im wondering if she hadnt been out and a drug deal went sour and they came back for retaliation.

Mike: All right, jean, thanks for the call again. I know the captain cant deal with that. John lucich, misty crosslin, there she is, the 17-year-old live-in girlfriend, you have to be zoning in on her.

John Lucich: Yes. Im suspicious of the fact she woke up just before her boyfriend got home and not called the cops. This guy had to tell her to call the cops. It was like to me its possible that she was never even asleep in the first place. Im not saying thats the fact. Its very probable. As far as that brick that was holding up the door, thats typically porous and you wouldnt get prints but maybe dna as far as oil.

Mike: Guys, thanks so much.


I saw the initials TJ in the transcript, so I had someone on twitter ask TJ Hart if it was him. His response;

THESKY973DOTCOM

@trialjunkie @ I remember VERY WELL now being on that broadcast. That is when Capt Schauland said Ron picked her up at the bus stop. cont.

THESKY973DOTCOM

@trialjunkie I talks to Shauland for quite some time on phone off the air in the commercial breaks that evening!!! I 6 minutes ago from web in reply to trialjunkie

I am hoping TJ Hart will question someone in LE and hopefully they will confirm what Capt. Schauland said back on March 3rd. He came out of retirement to be their official spokesperson.

Was Capt. Schauland being honest on National TV, did he misspeak, was he plain out lying? I have no idea. He is the only member of LE that I have heard mention the bus stop pickup.

When AH did the Santos report, I posted as Goodgrief on his site and ask him to confirm with Capt. Schauland what he said on HLN’s. AH didn’t/wouldn’t do it. I also told him the NG transcript of Feb 17th with TN saying Ron picked HaLeigh up was wrong and gave him the link to the utube video of the actual show. He apologized to TN for misstating that TN said she picked HaLeigh up from the bus stop.

I would like to know who Capt. Schauland was referring to when he said “She was seen later in the early evening by a neighbor.”

Keep in mind this was on March 3rd.

Sorry this is so long.

Meemaw

 

[atherella]

THANK YOU, MEEMAW!

That is SO HELPFUL to those of us that remember hearing that back in March!

BRAVO!

I knew I remembered hearing LE state that Ron picked HaLeigh up at the bus stop on HLN Prime News!

 

[nomoresorrow]

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Originally Posted by Meemaw12;
Caller: how do they know haleigh wasnt killed earlier in the day and maybe later that night they set it up so that the girlfriend would call the boyfriend to say she was missing and propped the thing up against the door to make sure it looked like she had been killed or taken out of the home during that time?

Mike: Lets ask the captain about, captain, when was the last time haleigh was seen alive? Not just from misty? Can you tell us that?

Capt: Her father picked her up from the school bus and took her home in the afternoon. She was seen later in the early evening by a neighbor. And that was the last time she was seen.

Well that confirms that GGS's didn't mention to LE that she supposedly went to the MH that evening. Guess she kept that one "close to her vest" until it was "necessary" for her to disclose the STORY.... JMHO -

 

[Meemaw12]

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Well that confirms that GGS's didn't mention to LE that she supposedly went to the MH that evening. Guess she kept that one "close to her vest" until it was "necessary" for her to disclose the STORY.... JMHO -

That's a good point. TY..

Maybe we should check to see when it was that Teresa Neves said she sent someone over to the house to check on kids, and when was it that GGMS said she was at the house that evening.

Both were said to the media iirc, would they tell the media before LE? And was it before March 3rd. dunno.

Meemaw

 

[Busylady]

Thanks so much MeeMaw for getting and posting that. I wonder if the neighbor saw Haleigh after GGMS said she went by and the neighbor was the last known person to see Haleigh besides Misty. If the neighbor said they saw Haleigh say before 7:00 pm then that would be a good indicator that GGMS did not really go by - if neighbor said they say Haleigh say between 7:30 - and 8:00 pm then it is still possible GGMS did stop by.

 

[Whisperer]

Wow! As of March 3rd, Schauland is saying the last person to see Haleigh was a neighbor, which we don't know who that is, and he NEVER mentioned Gma Sykes? So far, each time PCSO speaks, it is more confusing.

GMA Sykes spoke of seeing Haleigh sitting on the porch with a plate on her lap, waving to her when she pulled up between 7:00 and 8:00pm on or about Feb 18. WTH?

................Who is this neighbor?

 

[nomoresorrow]

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Originally Posted by Meemaw12;

She was seen later in the early evening by a neighbor. And that was the last time she was seen.

 

[Whisperer]

Okiedokiethen...

 

[Meemaw12]

Thanks so much MeeMaw for getting and posting that. I wonder if the neighbor saw Haleigh after GGMS said she went by and the neighbor was the last known person to see Haleigh besides Misty. If the neighbor said they saw Haleigh say before 7:00 pm then that would be a good indicator that GGMS did not really go by - if neighbor said they say Haleigh say between 7:30 - and 8:00 pm then it is still possible GGMS did stop by.

YW. I was glad to finally get it.

I think it is time for someone in LE to put some of this to rest once and for all.

I don't think it will hurt the case for LE to now say

A. who picked HaLeigh up from the bus (even though back in March they did)
B what time approx. someone other than a family member or Misty saw HaLeigh last (later in early evening is so vague imo)
C did GGMS take clothes to the MH and what time

lots more but that would be a start. JMO

 

[kiki the parrot]

I don't recall any parents at the bus stop who claim it was Misty that picked up Haleigh that afternoon getting their days mixed up..

To my knowledge JS has never stated he got his days mixed up concerning that afternoon when he stated he saw Misty pick up Haleigh.
Also, WHY would he lie to FDLE? I also find it totally mind boggling and frustrating that LE hasn't bothered to confirm or deny the information that JS gave to them.. Personally, I believe it is a very important issue, and should be addressed one way or the other.. But thats just my opinion on the subject...JMO

Yes Em I guess RC is the only one w a reason to tell the truth. :crazy: It clearly was not the "other parents" who demonstrated any "confusion," and to my knowledge RC is the only one who reportedly ever did. JS was, by contrast, crystal clear, not the slightest confused re that particular day--and when understandably he confronted RC, "Wth was the deal running us all down at the bus stop, you almost nailed us," *RC* is the one who experienced "confusion," as he tried playing off incident by using the excuse "my daughter was missing." It was *JS* who had to remind *RC* that his daughter wasn't gone until Monday nite (not discovered missing til Tues. am, allegedly), unconfusing RC by clarifying that this incident had occurred on Monday morning, prior to the night Haleigh vanished. It was at that point RC tried to instead say Haleigh "spilt something on her shirt." His and other parent's descriptions--in their own recorded words, not AH's--of MC's short temper, cussing at the children, smacking etc at the bus stop on the last day Haleigh was ever seen are equally memorable, and don't sound the least vague or "confused" either. Seems to me RC's the only one who's a little "confused." JMO2

BBM
Why did they put their plates down? Were they holding them and eating from them? Were they sitting on the cold, almost dark porch eating from plates in their little laps without a table? When I hear putting plates down, to me that means they were holding them first in order to put them down. And that just sounds strange, imo. With my kids, they have to be at a table since they are not coordinated enough to hold their plate with one hand and and eat with the other. I know Haleigh was 5, but Jr. was 4. My point is the entire statement coming from GMS about the laundry and these children eating dinner on the porch sounds kinda fishy, imo.
Why would Misty have them eating on the porch anyway? They couldn't eat in the house? Maybe there was a reason (if they were out there) she wanted them out. Otherwise, if thats what GMS really saw that night, didn't she consider that a wee bit odd?
I agree, the stories of these two grandmas should be looked at a little closer.

ITA.

BBM~
Or she wanted some privacy perhaps?

Or maybe wanted to account for why Haleigh never was seen by someone else who perhaps did stop by? IDK

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Originally Posted by Meemaw12;

She was seen later in the early evening by a neighbor. And that was the last time she was seen.

Didn't early reports of neighbor simply allude to "children" seen playing "outdoors?" Circular reporting, kinda like a game of telephone?

Okiedokiethen...

Lol, hang in there whips... someone who thinks logically is a nice contrast to the real world. :crazy:

arrot:

 

[Dee10]

Maybe someone could correct me, but I seem to remember someone looking up A/C guys and found 3 lol, one of which lived a street or two over? Although LE said "a neighbor" I wonder if he meant the A/C guy?

 

[azwriter]

BBM
Why did they put their plates down? Were they holding them and eating from them? Were they sitting on the cold, almost dark porch eating from plates in their little laps without a table? When I hear putting plates down, to me that means they were holding them first in order to put them down. And that just sounds strange, imo. With my kids, they have to be at a table since they are not coordinated enough to hold their plate with one hand and and eat with the other. I know Haleigh was 5, but Jr. was 4. My point is the entire statement coming from GMS about the laundry and these children eating dinner on the porch sounds kinda fishy, imo.
Why would Misty have them eating on the porch anyway? They couldn't eat in the house? Maybe there was a reason (if they were out there) she wanted them out. Otherwise, if thats what GMS really saw that night, didn't she consider that a wee bit odd?
I agree, the stories of these two grandmas should be looked at a little closer.

Great point about putting the plates down, mom. I wanted to add that it seems from GMS account, she wanted it to appear she was never inside the home. She saw them on the screened in porch, the children came to her for kisses and hugs, she handed Misty the laundry. All of this done outdoors. Seems to me she does not want it to appear she was ever in the home. When she goes that far, to me, it means She Was In The Home.
jmo

 

[azwriter]

You read my mind momuv3angels. If true, it reminds me of my mother when I was a child. She had an extremely explosive and volitile temper. When she was on one of her rampages, often ignited by her obsessiveness to have a clean (immaculate) home, for fear of us leaving a crumb or two on a table or floor she would send us outside to eat, regardless what time of year and/or weather conditions. If Haleigh & Jr. did in fact eat out on the porch that evening, in February and after sunset... someone - that someone being Misty - was not in a good mood IMO.

nomoresorrow, did we have the same mother?

 

[lonetraveler]

BBM
Why did they put their plates down? Were they holding them and eating from them? Were they sitting on the cold, almost dark porch eating from plates in their little laps without a table? When I hear putting plates down, to me that means they were holding them first in order to put them down. And that just sounds strange, imo. With my kids, they have to be at a table since they are not coordinated enough to hold their plate with one hand and and eat with the other. I know Haleigh was 5, but Jr. was 4. My point is the entire statement coming from GMS about the laundry and these children eating dinner on the porch sounds kinda fishy, imo.
Why would Misty have them eating on the porch anyway? They couldn't eat in the house? Maybe there was a reason (if they were out there) she wanted them out. Otherwise, if thats what GMS really saw that night, didn't she consider that a wee bit odd?
I agree, the stories of these two grandmas should be looked at a little closer.

I agree. I'm a grandmother and have grandchildren the ages of Haleigh and jr. If I had seen them sitting in the dark and cold on the front porch trying to hold a plate and eat, I would have taken them inside to eat at the table. I would have never left them out there to eat.

 

[lonetraveler]

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Originally Posted by Meemaw12;

She was seen later in the early evening by a neighbor. And that was the last time she was seen.

Since evening begins at 6:00 pm, then I guess we can assume that means that the neighbor saw Haleigh after dark? Between 6:00 pm and 8:00pm? How did the neighbor see Haleigh after dark? How could the neighbor see any children in the dark? Ron and TN made it very clear that Haleigh was afraid of the dark, so I'm assuming that Haleigh and Jr., if truly seen by the neighbor, were not out playing in the dark. Late afternoon however would cover the 5PMish timeline of the AC man and Tommy coming over with his children.