When Was Haleigh Last Seen?

[Emeralgem]

Schools keep attendance records that show what students were in school each and every day and what students weren't in school each day. I would guess that LE was bright enough to check the attendance records for Haleigh. They know whether she was in school that day or not. I doubt that they are concerned whether we know if she was there or not. That is why they don't send out a memo to the public each day telling us what they are doing. They don't owe us anything and have their own detectives working the case.

IMHO..They best be concerned IF she wasn't there because IF she wasn't there something is terribly wrong with HOW their OWN detectives are working this case...JMO

 

[Emeralgem]

Personally, even IF she was there, I am not convinced LE's own has done such a good job working this case......JMO

 

[LFlorida]

I don't think there is any way in the world I'm gonna convince anybody otherwise, Em, so I'll try to leave it at that.

 

[Emeralgem]

I don't think there is any way in the world I'm gonna convince anybody otherwise, Em, so I'll try to leave it at that.

LF...I would love to be like you and have faith that this has been and is being handled properly, but I don't see it that way...JMO

We are going on almost 11 months now and none of these people have in any way shape or form been held accountable for whatever it is that happened to Haleigh or the lies they have told......JMO

 

[suspicious1]

Great point about putting the plates down, mom. I wanted to add that it seems from GMS account, she wanted it to appear she was never inside the home. She saw them on the screened in porch, the children came to her for kisses and hugs, she handed Misty the laundry. All of this done outdoors. Seems to me she does not want it to appear she was ever in the home. When she goes that far, to me, it means She Was In The Home.
jmo

AZ, noone wanted it known that she was in the mh, not even Misty. In her initial interview Misty did not mention GMS and Aunt L being at the mh that evening Haleigh disappeared. It wasn't until Tn brought it up that Misty once again had to change her story. IMO, Tn and GMS told Misty not tell that they were there and Misty did just that...she did not tell...not until Tn threw that little detail into the mix. And that made Misty look worse. Imo, it was to be a secret...but why? Something was going on then with Haleigh. Why else?

 

[suspicious1]

I agree. These "absolute times" set the alibi.

Absolutely, debs. And you know what that tells us?

1. Haleigh didn't go to bed at 8, but why not? What was going on with her at 8 that made it impossible for her to go to bed? We know that GMS (who was called by Tn to go over there) was there between 7-8 and Haleigh was supposedly full of hugs and kisses. We know that Ron and Misty got into an argument around 8ish, right after GMS is said to have been there-how ironic. Sooo what was Haleigh doing at 8? If she wasn't in the bed at her normal bedtime, (no biggie) soooo why lie and say she was? Why would GMS lie about being inside the mh that evening? Why would Tn send GMS over there in the first place, did she receive a call from Ron? What was wrong with Haleigh that Ron felt the need to call his mother who lives further away than GMS? What is going on in that mh?
2. Misty didn't go to bed at 10p. what was she doing? and why lie? She claims to have gotten in the bed at 10 and few mins later (Imo, about 10:15-10:30) jr crawled over her to get out the bed. Did Jr notice Daddy was home?, Ron is who i think turned on the kitchen light. Imo, Ron was at that mh about 10:30. I find it odd that Ron calls Hank supposedly looking for Misty and regardless of whether or not Ron sends Hank over there, Hank shows up at the mh at about 10p (when Misty claims to have gotten in the bed). Hank even admits to "waiting around for awhile" (imo to about 10:15-10:30). What was he waiting on? Who was he waiting on? Why wait? Was Ron mad and told hank he was on his way to the mh? Maybe Ron didn't ask Hank to go over there (like he said) but something about the conversation that Ron and Hank had, Hank felt the need to go check on his sister and waited around for Ron to get there. It's weird that Hank claims no one is there when he gets there but yet he ends up with a dead rat in his mailbox. Dead rats mean if you rat someone out you will die. What does Hank have to tell? Imo, it's all connected and Hank was there a lot longer than he said.
3. Ron did not get home a little after 3. What time did Ron get home? If not a little after 3, why lie? Imo, Ron was there way before 3 (let's say about 10:30). There was too much going on at that mh that evening. Too many people were called to that mh that evening to "Check On" either Misty or the kids.

Not to mention there was a police call from Hanks home about 2:13a that SAME evening-which someone there claims to have seen Haleigh 1-1 1/2 hours prior to the call at her mh. Depending on which call you use that would put someone from Tyler being at the mh between 12:30-2am-ish to see Haleigh there. Hank maybe? Hank and Jo? Why is everyone trying to avoid what happened after 10p? Misty is going to bed at 10, Hank goes there at 10p but noone is home, Ron is adamant that Misty went to bed at about 10-10:30 but yet he was supposedly at work and Misty had her phone off after the 8p argument up until the 911 call. How would he know what time she went to bed?

Do you see where I'm going with this? I wish they would find Haleigh.:banghead:

I forgot to mention the van. Did Hank call Timmy and Jo to assist him with this problem with Misty and Ron? Is that how the van got scratched? I wonder if LE compared the scratch on the van to the truck that Ron was driving? Just thinking out loud. I think there was a feud that night and it involved Ron, Hank, Jo, and possibly Timmy. That would explain why Jo left the next day in a hurry and NO ONE has been CLEARED. We know for a fact that this was a NON-STRANGER ABDUCTION.

 

[Whisperer]

The 2:13 call that Greenwood speaks of blows this whole case. I wish he would clarify his remarks and why hasn't he been asked. They remain fact till he announces it was an error..it has not happened...

If TN knew that rc couldn't reach misty, she would have gone there herself (maybe she did).

I believe that rc would have called his mother before anyone concerning misty not answering the phone. Skyes or Neves would have been there. RC was not able to reach misty after 8:30pm. Why the calls before 8:00 to his mom and for Sykes to check up on the kids. I think the times are off.......once again.

Why did TN have to send "A family member" over and did not go herself?......very unlike teresa.

 

[Whisperer]

JR should have been wide awake by 8:00pm considering he was still sleeping at 4:00pm in the afternoon. Who was watching jr while rc and misty slept till noon that Monday? And why was jr sleeping at 4:00pm?

Another point....IF misty were in the MH that night, as she says, the only way the kitchen light would have noticed and annoying is if she was sleeping on the couch in the Living room. Thank you Papa, for the layout of the MH and pointing out Misty animation about that light "glaring".

 

[suspicious1]

Non Strangers- TN, GMS, Ron, Misty, Hank, Timmy, Jo
Police Questioned- Ron, Misty, Hank, Timmy, Jo
No One has been CLEARED.

Didn't Misty say that while in a dreamlike state she thought there were 4 people in the mh? Does anyone else remember that? Maybe she told the truth and there was indeed 4 people in the mh-
Ron, Hank, Timmy, and Jo

Who was held on high bond for information regarding Haleigh's disappearance? Hank...

Who left the state after Haleigh's disappearance? Tiimy, Jo

Who did LE interview while out of state? Timmy, Jo

Who had access to the scratched van? Timmy and Jo

Why was L. Croslin arrested with a high bond for information regarding Haleigh? Imo, LE arrested her because she is the mother of Hank, Timmy, and Misty. She may very well know more than she's letting on.

Where did Misty go after reporting Haleigh was missing? To Hank and L.Croslin over on Tyler.

Who ended up with a dead rat in their mailbox after Haleigh disappeared?
Hank

Who didn't want Misty associating with her family after this? Ron

IMO, Hank and family were there to help Misty in some way. Maybe to fight off Ron. I know some have speculated that Hank and family did something to Haleigh that night but I think we have it all wrong.

This is my opinion.

 

[Concerned Papa]

~Respectfully Snipped From A Great Post~

1. Haleigh didn't go to bed at 8, but why not? What was going on with her at 8 that made it impossible for her to go to bed? We know that GMS (who was called by Tn to go over there) was there between 7-8 and Haleigh was supposedly full of hugs and kisses. We know that Ron and Misty got into an argument around 8ish, right after GMS is said to have been there-how ironic. Sooo what was Haleigh doing at 8? If she wasn't in the bed at her normal bedtime, (no biggie) soooo why lie and say she was? Why would GMS lie about being inside the mh that evening? Why would Tn send GMS over there in the first place, did she receive a call from Ron? What was wrong with Haleigh that Ron felt the need to call his mother who lives further away than GMS? What is going on in that mh? BBM

Every once in a while, after reading thousands of posts, a nugget of realization is sometimes found that can provide an answer for a troubling issue each of us may have. Your post provided such a nugget for me.

I have never understood why GGM waited NINE days to mention her presence at the MH that evening. I mostly thought she was lying for the sake of an alibi for Misty since her "that's a crock" statement came the SAME day as LE stating they were investigating a tip that Misty was not home that evening.

GGM's visit may have been for reasons other than clean clothes and was not intended to be revealed in the original storyline.

I'm not quite as old as GGM, but I do have two granddaughters that spend most weekends with me. I have laundry done each week and there are always some of my girl's clothes cleaned with the rest. By 7:00-8:00 most evenings, it's going to take more than a few clean clothes to get me out of the house. By that time most nights I'm on my own porch, figuratively speaking, "an ah ain't cumin off hit fer no clothes". If, by some miracle, you did get me off the porch, I doubt I would need someone with nurses training to accompany me on a 30 mile round trip drive just to bring a few clothes.

"That's a crock!" seems more likely to be an impromptu, ad lib revision to the original script of this dark tragedy that was brought about by the perceived need to provide a partial alibi for one of the plot's central characters.

 

[Whisperer]

I do not think it was the Croslins who harmed haleigh. I think that Misty called her brother for help...what kind of help I do not know...

We do know that rc and his friend (and only friend) ran in to a problem shortly after the crime. Even that hasn't been explored by the media. Most cases, there seems to be people who talk, except for these country folks. We do know one thing. Of all the interviews we have seen, there is missing footage. LE has to have the missing footage and they have still not been able to piece this together or arrest anyone.

Each day this case reminds me more and more of Tara Grinstead, who also disappeared in a very rural community. What is there about these places that makes it so difficult to solve a murder? Is it lack of neighbors or witnesses refusing to talk. What are they afraid of and why don't they care enough to speak up for what is right?

It seems so odd to me but I was raised in a large city and there were always people ready to spill the beans on somebody. Obviously not in Satsuma. Neighbors on both sides of rc and misty have been mum....

 

[suspicious1]

I do not think it was the Croslins who harmed haleigh. I think that Misty called her brother for help...what kind of help I do not know...

We do know that rc and his friend (and only friend) ran in to a problem shortly after the crime. Even that hasn't been explored by the media. Most cases, there seems to be people who talk, except for these country folks. We do know one thing. Of all the interviews we have seen, there is missing footage. LE has to have the missing footage and they have still not been able to piece this together or arrest anyone.

Each day this case reminds me more and more of Tara Grinstead, who also disappeared in a very rural community. What is there about these places that makes it so difficult to solve a murder? Is it lack of neighbors or witnesses refusing to talk. What are they afraid of and why don't they care enough to speak up for what is right?

It seems so odd to me but I was raised in a large city and there were always people ready to spill the beans on somebody. Obviously not in Satsuma. Neighbors on both sides of rc and misty have been mum....

I'm witcha on that Whisperer. Hank was there to help and imo he was there to help Misty not harm Haleigh. Imo, Tn and GMS was already there between 7-8 to deal with Haleigh soooo what role would Hank play? I think he was playing the role of protective brother especially after receiving a call from a mad Ron looking for his sister. Maybe Hank needed backup and called on Jo and Timmy to help him. The damage was already done concerning Haleigh and maybe Ron felt if Misty "would've acted right" that none of this would have happened. Hence, the marriage that Haleigh would've wanted.

 

[tehcloser]

Every once in a while, after reading thousands of posts, a nugget of realization is sometimes found that can provide an answer for a troubling issue each of us may have. Your post provided such a nugget for me.

I have never understood why GGM waited NINE days to mention her presence at the MH that evening. I mostly thought she was lying for the sake of an alibi for Misty since her "that's a crock" statement came the SAME day as LE stating they were investigating a tip that Misty was not home that evening.

GGM's visit may have been for reasons other than clean clothes and was not intended to be revealed in the original storyline.

I'm not quite as old as GGM, but I do have two granddaughters that spend most weekends with me. I have laundry done each week and there are always some of my girl's clothes cleaned with the rest. By 7:00-8:00 most evenings, it's going to take more than a few clean clothes to get me out of the house. By that time most nights I'm on my own porch, figuratively speaking, "an ah ain't cumin off hit fer no clothes". If, by some miracle, you did get me off the porch, I doubt I would need someone with nurses training to accompany me on a 30 mile round trip drive just to bring a few clothes.

"That's a crock!" seems more likely to be an impromptu, ad lib revision to the original script of this dark tragedy that was brought about by the perceived need to provide a partial alibi for one of the plot's central characters.

BBM....

That just jumped off the page at me. I always thought if indeed she went there, it was because of what ever happened. And the Aunt or whatever she was had nurses training? OMG.............arrest em all already.

 

[Crosby87]

Non Strangers- TN, GMS, Ron, Misty, Hank, Timmy, Jo
Police Questioned- Ron, Misty, Hank, Timmy, Jo
No One has been CLEARED.

Didn't Misty say that while in a dreamlike state she thought there were 4 people in the mh? Does anyone else remember that? Maybe she told the truth and there was indeed 4 people in the mh-
Ron, Hank, Timmy, and Jo

Who was held on high bond for information regarding Haleigh's disappearance? Hank...

Who left the state after Haleigh's disappearance? Tiimy, Jo

Who did LE interview while out of state? Timmy, Jo

Who had access to the scratched van? Timmy and Jo

Why was L. Croslin arrested with a high bond for information regarding Haleigh? Imo, LE arrested her because she is the mother of Hank, Timmy, and Misty. She may very well know more than she's letting on.

Where did Misty go after reporting Haleigh was missing? To Hank and L.Croslin over on Tyler.

Who ended up with a dead rat in their mailbox after Haleigh disappeared?
Hank

Who didn't want Misty associating with her family after this? Ron

IMO, Hank and family were there to help Misty in some way. Maybe to fight off Ron. I know some have speculated that Hank and family did something to Haleigh that night but I think we have it all wrong.

This is my opinion.

According to Chelsea, Hank Sr and Lisa were both absent from Satsuma.

Chelsea said she drove her mother-in-law, Lisa Croslin to Gainesville Monday, Feb 9th to be with her husband who was in the hospital and she drove back to Crescent City the same day. On Tuesday, Chelsea drove to Gainesville to bring Lisa back to Satsuma. A round trip from Crescent City to Satsuma was estimated to be 2 1/2 hours IIRC.

 

[DenVIP]

BBM....

That just jumped off the page at me. I always thought if indeed she went there, it was because of what ever happened. And the Aunt or whatever she was had nurses training? OMG.............arrest em all already.

bingo you win.....the story was modified to meet what LE was letting them know....ever evolving story

 

[YellowSubmarine]

Suspicious1 -- I agree about Haleigh not being in bed at 8pm that night. I didn't believe it as soon as she said "because she had school the next day". It's that whole "offering up too much detail" thing.

Her recollection of that evening was too scripted, imo, especially the events involving bed time. The time, the peed on blanket, covering her up with a sheet, having to take a blanket from the window to wash because MC's blanket was in the van and then covering Haleigh with it . . . . And there's the 911 call when MC's asked when she last saw Haleigh, she tells the operator she had cleaned that night. Waaayyyy more info than ever asked.

I think whatever happened, happened around 7pm and/or dinner time. When asked about the events of the day, MC lays it out with very little detail. "We laid around and napped all day, Ron picked Haleigh up at the bus stop and then went to work. The A/C guy came by, the kids played" . . . then BAM -- detail, detail, detail. Starting with dinner and what she made and how much they ate. A lot of blah blah blah she was never even asked.

 

[YellowSubmarine]

Something else I just thought about . . . MC claims she had been cleaning and doing laundry that night after the kids went to bed. If that's true:

1. The house would NOT have been as it was when GGMS was there earlier because now it is clean

2. If she had done the laundry, where did the laundry come from that was on the floor when LE got there? The laundry pile Haleigh's pink shirt was in . . .

3. If MC was going to do laundry, why did GGMS need to bring over clean clothes?

Then I'd like to add that, imo, if MC really had been on a 3 day party bender, I can't imagine her being in the mood to clean and do laundry until 10pm, especially after having to care for the two kids all hungover and exhausted.

 

[nomoresorrow]

Suspicious1 -- I agree about Haleigh not being in bed at 8pm that night. I didn't believe it as soon as she said "because she had school the next day". It's that whole "offering up too much detail" thing.

Her recollection of that evening was too scripted, imo, especially the events involving bed time. The time, the peed on blanket, covering her up with a sheet, having to take a blanket from the window to wash because MC's blanket was in the van and then covering Haleigh with it . . . . And there's the 911 call when MC's asked when she last saw Haleigh, she tells the operator she had cleaned that night. Waaayyyy more info than ever asked.

I think whatever happened, happened around 7pm and/or dinner time. When asked about the events of the day, MC lays it out with very little detail. "We laid around and napped all day, Ron picked Haleigh up at the bus stop and then went to work. The A/C guy came by, the kids played" . . . then BAM -- detail, detail, detail. Starting with dinner and what she made and how much they ate. A lot of blah blah blah she was never even asked.

Speaking of which...I was just looking at my transcriptions again of Misty's voice analysis and, although I see other issues with it, one of the things that intriques me is the following;

Interviewer: Okay tell me about that evening?

Misty: Okay, um, well Ronald, we, well woke up. Ronald, we got her ready for school. Um, she didn’t have the cloths that she wanted to wear so we had to come all the way to Welaka to get the outfit that she wanted to wear. We took her to school. I walked her into the school, took her to her classroom. We came home. We leave the school, come home. We go, probably go back to sleep till probably about eleven, twelve, I don’t know what time it was, um…then Ronald gets up and gets ready for work. He picks Haleigh up from the bus stop. I stayed home with Junior because he was sleeping. Then Ronald goes off to work and um, the A/C guy comes. He come over and my brother come over to the house and the kids just played in the front yard. Haleigh was riding her bike, doing wheelies in the front yard.

The interviewer specifically asked Misty about “that evening” (evening of February 9th [Monday]) but instead she begins with the first events of that day, beginning with "Ronald, we, well woke up." :waitasec: I can't help but wonder if she started there because it helped her to keep her story (timing of events) in order and/or was it some sort of fraudian slip; delaying, avoiding or postponing discussing the really relevant time in question.

JMHO -

 

[YellowSubmarine]

Thanks for posting that transcript, Nomoresorrow! I hadn't gone over it since it was released.

It just strengthens my point about giving too much info. Also, it reminds me of how much she added than she originally had. In the beginning, the details about that day were very vague, as opposed to that evening. It's like she had rehearsed the story more. So even though she was only asked about that evening, that didn't click in because the story she had been rehearsing began that morning.

Also, am I mistaken . . . I thought it was said she came home that morning. She wouldn't have been waking up with RC if that were the case.

 

[nomoresorrow]

Thanks for posting that transcript, Nomoresorrow! I hadn't gone over it since it was released.

It just strengthens my point about giving too much info. Also, it reminds me of how much she added than she originally had. In the beginning, the details about that day were very vague, as opposed to that evening. It's like she had rehearsed the story more. So even though she was only asked about that evening, that didn't click in because the story she had been rehearsing began that morning.

Also, am I mistaken . . . I thought it was said she came home that morning. She wouldn't have been waking up with RC if that were the case.

I also found it interesting that she was extremely limited in her answers to the following;
Interviewer: How do you know Haleigh?
Misty: Umm, I know her because she’s my husband’s daughter and…I don’t know, just…
Interviewer: How long have you known Haleigh?
Misty: For almost a year.


No added details like, "Yeah I met HaLeigh at her bus stop..." or "I started babysitting her when she was x years-old..." It seems to me it would be natural to add reminiscent details in light of the absence of someone you supposedly love. Seems like the details, details you would expect Misty to know or care to recall regarding HaLeigh are lacking, i.e., like what she was wearing...

IIRC Misty went back to Ronald the day before on Sunday - supposedly they stayed up all night talking - ROLLING EYES...