When Was Haleigh Last Seen?

[debs]

tehcloser, I'm with you. Reading the post about GGMS reminded me of a comment that she made early in the case, a comment that she had received a call earlier in the morning from Ron but did not answer it. Later on she decided to answer another call and that was supposedly when she found out that Haleigh was missing. I'm going to try and find that interview, it was in her own words and not from a blog or anything. Does anyone else remember this? by any chance?

I remember it well. I remember (non-head-cold issue memory) thinking then "Wow. Someone calls me at that time of the morning, I'm not ignoring it!" She still managed to get to the MH before 4 a.m., because she was there early enough to "have Jr with" her.

 

[suspicious1]

IIRC, the original call from the Tyler residence was not a call made to the 911 line.

You're right lonetraveler, it was made using the Non-emergency line. That makes me believe that whoever called in at 2:13 felt it was not a 911 sitaution. Awhile back I called dispatch here in ky and asked what would be reasons for someone calling the non emergency line as oppose to 911. The first reason dispatcher had given me was "suspicious activity". She also said noise disturbances like loud music complaints. So it could be possible that a neighbor made that call about the noise.

 

[lonetraveler]

I thought that it was about 2am, debs. That makes me wonder if the call at 2:13 supposedly from Tyler actually came from the neighbor on Green Ln who heard the screams. It's highly possible that the neighbor was the one who called the NON EMERGENCY line to report there suspicions/screams. Perhaps a patrol car went to the neighbors house first on Green Ln to speak with the neighbor and was given a description of the people/vehicles involved in the disturbance which led the patrol car over to Tyler St.
In the radio transcript the officer that was at Tyler said that he was on his way BACK to Green Ln.
snipped from transcript:

OP: Call back 1256. 1256. ____telephone____ordinary. Want me to call it in for you? 10:4.
FLE2: 1256.
FLE2: I’m available at 116 Tyler.
OP: 116 Tyler? (static) 26.
MLE1: What’s going on at 116?
FLE2: 1256.
OP: Go head.
FLE2: 10:08 from this location, going 97, back to Green.
OP: 10:4. Verifying the last time she was seen ____address.
FLE2: She was seen within her residence, about 1 to 1 1/2 hours ago..

bbm
This is the radio transmission AFTER the 911 call from Misty. At that time there was an officer at 116 Tyler headed BACK to Green. That goes along with an officer visiting another residence on Green BEFORE going to Tyler and BEFORE the 911 call from Misty was made. Perhaps from the person who heard screams that night?

Let's say the neighbor calls in the suspicious activity at 2:13a. Let's say it takes the patrol car about 15 mins to get there (estimating here), that would put a patrol car on Green Ln at about 2:30. Whatever information they gathered from this visit sent them to 116 Tyler. Let's say the officer ended up on Tyler at about 3a. While there (probably 20-30 mins at most) they receive the information concerning a missing child from Green Ln at 3:27a.
Now
If this is the radio transmission from the 911 call from Misty, that statement regarding Haleigh being seen within her residence 1-1 1/2 hours ago would mean someone from Tyler was at that residence at about 2a-ish.
Misty's 911 call came in at 3:27(?)
1-1 1/2 hours prior to that would be 2-2:30am.
Someone from Tyler was there between 2-2:30a, when the neighbor heard the screams.

It all fits together, imo. There must have been an altercation on Green Ln before Haliegh was reported missing and the information given led police to Tyler St. Maybe when the police heard over the radio about the missing girl from Green Ln, they asked the people from Tyler if they had seen her since they had just previously been in that area. Someone said "yes-about 1-1 1/2 hours ago". (2-2:30a)

Not to mention Lt. Greenwood saying that the initial call came in at 2:13a. Why would he include that call as part of this investigation? What was going on 2-2:30a that night? My gut feeling tells me that there was a altercation (screams) involving a group of individuals related to this case. Maybe that's why I suspect that LE knows Ron was not at work until 3.....because he was involved in the altercation that occurred between 2-2:30. (Commotion may also equal scratched van)
Ok I know that Ron was seen on surveillance at the store and many people questioned why Ron would pass his house to go to the store when if he was coming from work, there were stores along the way between PDM and the mh.

If you go with this theory: Ron went to that particular store because he was closest to it at that time. He wasn't coming from work, imo, he was coming from home. Let's say if there was an altercation 2-2:30a on Green and Hank&company went straight back to Tyler and guess what? Ron went to the store. They all probably feared that someone was going to call the police anyway because of the commotion and they all scattered like roaches including Ron (trip to the store). He needed a beer and cigarettes after all that commotion! After he got back from the store, guzzled down his beer, smoked a few cigarettes.....It was time to make the call-3:27a Haleigh is Missing.

BBM: Your theory explains a few things to me and seems to be very plausible. I have read it three times and each time it makes more sense than anything I have read regarding the timeline just prior to the 911 call. One question to all of you: Who do you think is the woman who was screaming? a. Misty b. GGMS c. TN d. Lisa Croslin e. Someone else

 

[lonetraveler]

You're right lonetraveler, it was made using the Non-emergency line. That makes me believe that whoever called in at 2:13 felt it was not a 911 sitaution. Awhile back I called dispatch here in ky and asked what would be reasons for someone calling the non emergency line as oppose to 911. The first reason dispatcher had given me was "suspicious activity". She also said noise disturbances like loud music complaints. So it could be possible that a neighbor made that call about the noise.

I agree. I have called the Non-emergency line before when I did not feel that there was an emergency but did feel that something needed to be looked into by LE.

 

[suspicious1]

HOLD THE PHONE!

You're maybe making a suggestion that LE was called to Green Ln, went to Tyler to follow up on whatever happened on Green, then was called back to Green after the 911 call regarding Haleigh?

Holy buckets!

That's what it sounds like to me debs! Have you ever had to call the police because of a noise disturbance? They will send a patrol car to follow up on the situation. The police will ask you what you saw, what you heard, and if you recognized anyone involved, just to name a few.

What if this is what happened and when the patrol car got to the neighbors house they were asked those same questions. They may have recognized the car or the people involved. The police headed to Tyler and while there they got the call about Haleigh and had to head BACK to Green.

 

[lonetraveler]

I remember it well. I remember (non-head-cold issue memory) thinking then "Wow. Someone calls me at that time of the morning, I'm not ignoring it!" She still managed to get to the MH before 4 a.m., because she was there early enough to "have Jr with" her.

Thanks debs, that particular comment really stuck with me. I have always thought that GGMS took Jr. back to her house so that he would not "see" anything going on with the clean-up and disposal, and Jr. was brought back to the mh just prior to 911 being called. I think that Teresa or GGMS brought him back over. JMO. I have always thought that the phone call was just a signal that the cleanup was complete and to expect a call in a few minutes. She did not need to answer it. It was for signal purposes only. Again, JMO. I think the call to Ron from Misty prior to him coming home was for the same reason. A signal that he should go to the store and act as if nothing was wrong and so that it would look like he was coming home from work. He did not need to answer it. It was to let him know it was time to come home. JMO.

 

[suspicious1]

BBM: Your theory explains a few things to me and seems to be very plausible. I have read it three times and each time it makes more sense than anything I have read regarding the timeline just prior to the 911 call. One question to all of you: Who do you think is the woman who was screaming? a. Misty b. GGMS c. TN d. Lisa Croslin e. Someone else

My guess would be Misty. I say this because I think at this time she is the only female involved.

 

[lonetraveler]

(bbm) I think it's possible too nms... only I'd have MC gone since, no matter how "tired," I don't believe she could've been in that mh and slept thru a homicidal rage. IMO this scenario could've easily taken place were MC not home as expected, but kids left there alone at the time RC pays a surprise visit and shows up early. The rest isn't hard for me to envision.
(snip, bbm) This is the other distinct possibility in my mind--that w/e occurred took place prior to RC ever leaving for work. Certainly seems more than coincidental that nurse Elisa may have been summoned and tagged along w GMS. The rest of the evening's events--after RC left for werk--may have all been consumed w or centered around clean-up and disposal. TC may honestly never have been clued in and actually did arrive to find nobody home about 10. Unlikely he'd have placed himself at the scene otherwise.
An "accident" of some sort, occurring between the bus dropoff (at 3:20) and actual time RC left for work is where my money is (if I were a betting bird). Not only do I not see where all the other figures in columns could be reconciled w an altered mark, but more importantly it would have been useless to alter the attendance record when it's so easily disproven and waving a red flag to LE which would have raised alert instantly.

arrot:

BBM: I agree kiki, I'm thinking that maybe Ron was arguing with Misty and accidentally backed over Haleigh as he was leaving for work. Maybe she appeared, on the surface, not to be seriously injured but became worse and worse, thus TN was called, in return she called GGMS and GGMS contacted and picked up the aunt to help Haleigh. Haleigh died.

 

[Beatrice]

Waking up suddenly...
A light blaring in her eyes...
Noticing the time on clock...

Someome bump locked the back door...Ahem (Joe & friend)
Came in and turned lights on
Confronted Misty for her drug debt
Took Haleigh as "collateral"

Misty calls Tommy..Truth lies here.
Misty calls Ronald (no answer)

Tommy & friend never expected Ronald to call LE


Misty tells us....Tommy, Joe & a friend were there.

There are secrets that are below Haleigh's disappearance.
Who was there & why.


Who was visiting that weekend and who left the next day?

 

[Whisperer]

Yes, LT, I also remember AS saying that RC has also called her. She did not answer it but DID answer the call when TN called after rc. How she got there before 4:00am is anyone's guess. She should not have been allowed in but she was. I have to assume these two ladies arrived VERY early.

RC, IMO, called them before 911. TN had to have called her before also..IMO. Did they arrive together? How in the world did they get into the crime scene?

If anyone cares to figure out the time again, have at it! 911 call was over at 3:33. RC called her after that as he was screaming and cursing at Misty at the very end of the call to give him the F$#$g phone.

TN had been at the scene, spoke to LE and then called Crystal by 3:49...not possible, according to my accounting.

 

[Baznme]

My guess would be Misty. I say this because I think at this time she is the only female involved.

Or Haleigh. Hated to even type that.

 

[suspicious1]

Thanks debs, that particular comment really stuck with me. I have always thought that GGMS took Jr. back to her house so that he would not "see" anything going on with the clean-up and disposal, and Jr. was brought back to the mh just prior to 911 being called. I think that Teresa or GGMS brought him back over. JMO. I have always thought that the phone call was just a signal that the cleanup was complete and to expect a call in a few minutes. She did not need to answer it. It was for signal purposes only. Again, JMO. I think the call to Ron from Misty prior to him coming home was for the same reason. A signal that he should go to the store and act as if nothing was wrong and so that it would look like he was coming home from work. He did not need to answer it. It was to let him know it was time to come home. JMO.

We think alike, lonetraveler. I think that call Misty made to Ron before the 911 call was to find out where he had went to after the commotion. Didn't Misty say something about calling her mother BEFORE the 911 call? Just maybe Misty called over on Tyler to make sure Hank&company were alright or they called her to inform her that they had just spoken to the police about the altercation. Misty panicks, and since Ron scattered when Hank&company did, Misty calls Ron (while he's at the store) and Ron didn't answer because he was already on his way back from the store. KWIM? Misty tells Ron that Hank&company have talked to the police and they both panick and then decides to call 911 and say that Haleigh was missing.

That leaves me wondering why then would they call 911 after hearing that the police had been over on Tyler? Misty and Ron had to have known the police were there because Misty called over on Tyler prior to the 911 call. Did they think Hank&company had given up too much information and they needed to act fast? Hanks knows alot about that night which is why he ended up with a dead rat in his mailbox-to silence him.

 

[Baznme]

I thought that it was about 2am, debs. That makes me wonder if the call at 2:13 supposedly from Tyler actually came from the neighbor on Green Ln who heard the screams. It's highly possible that the neighbor was the one who called the NON EMERGENCY line to report there suspicions/screams. Perhaps a patrol car went to the neighbors house first on Green Ln to speak with the neighbor and was given a description of the people/vehicles involved in the disturbance which led the patrol car over to Tyler St.
In the radio transcript the officer that was at Tyler said that he was on his way BACK to Green Ln.

snipped from transcript:

OP: Call back 1256. 1256. ____telephone____ordinary. Want me to call it in for you? 10:4.
FLE2: 1256.
FLE2: I’m available at 116 Tyler.
OP: 116 Tyler? (static) 26.
MLE1: What’s going on at 116?
FLE2: 1256.
OP: Go head.
FLE2: 10:08 from this location, going 97, back to Green.
OP: 10:4. Verifying the last time she was seen ____address.
FLE2: She was seen within her residence, about 1 to 1 1/2 hours ago..

bbm
This is the radio transmission AFTER the 911 call from Misty. At that time there was an officer at 116 Tyler headed BACK to Green. That goes along with an officer visiting another residence on Green BEFORE going to Tyler and BEFORE the 911 call from Misty was made. Perhaps from the person who heard screams that night?

Let's say the neighbor calls in the suspicious activity at 2:13a. Let's say it takes the patrol car about 15 mins to get there (estimating here), that would put a patrol car on Green Ln at about 2:30. Whatever information they gathered from this visit sent them to 116 Tyler. Let's say the officer ended up on Tyler at about 3a. While there (probably 20-30 mins at most) they receive the information concerning a missing child from Green Ln at 3:27a.
Now
If this is the radio transmission from the 911 call from Misty, that statement regarding Haleigh being seen within her residence 1-1 1/2 hours ago would mean someone from Tyler was at that residence at about 2a-ish.
Misty's 911 call came in at 3:27(?)
1-1 1/2 hours prior to that would be 2-2:30am.
Someone from Tyler was there between 2-2:30a, when the neighbor heard the screams.

It all fits together, imo. There must have been an altercation on Green Ln before Haliegh was reported missing and the information given led police to Tyler St. Maybe when the police heard over the radio about the missing girl from Green Ln, they asked the people from Tyler if they had seen her since they had just previously been in that area. Someone said "yes-about 1-1 1/2 hours ago". (2-2:30a)

Not to mention Lt. Greenwood saying that the initial call came in at 2:13a. Why would he include that call as part of this investigation? What was going on 2-2:30a that night? My gut feeling tells me that there was a altercation (screams) involving a group of individuals related to this case. Maybe that's why I suspect that LE knows Ron was not at work until 3.....because he was involved in the altercation that occurred between 2-2:30. (Commotion may also equal scratched van)
Ok I know that Ron was seen on surveillance at the store and many people questioned why Ron would pass his house to go to the store when if he was coming from work, there were stores along the way between PDM and the mh.

If you go with this theory: Ron went to that particular store because he was closest to it at that time. He wasn't coming from work, imo, he was coming from home. Let's say if there was an altercation 2-2:30a on Green and Hank&company went straight back to Tyler and guess what? Ron went to the store. They all probably feared that someone was going to call the police anyway because of the commotion and they all scattered like roaches including Ron (trip to the store). He needed a beer and cigarettes after all that commotion!

After he got back from the store, guzzled down his beer, smoked a few cigarettes.....It was time to make the call-3:27a Haleigh is Missing.

See what I bolded in red in your comments. Wouldn't that back up the time she was last seen as 12:30 am to 1:00 am? That would fit into the timeline that Ron would have been coming in from work on a normal shift, right?

 

[Whisperer]

Greenwood saying 2:13am and receiving the first call just blows me away.

 

[suspicious1]

See what I bolded in red in your comments. Wouldn't that back up the time she was last seen as 12:30 am to 1:00 am? That would fit into the timeline that Ron would have been coming in from work on a normal shift, right?

Well Baz the more I read the transcript the more I feel that the 1-1 1/2 comment is regarding the time of the call placed by Misty at 3:27, kwim? The officer and the dispatch are having this particular conversation AFTER the 911call from Misty. Now had that comment been made regarding the 2:13a call, then yes it would put the sighting near 12:30-1.00a.

 

[Baznme]

Well Baz the more I read the transcript the more I feel that the 1-1 1/2 comment is regarding the time of the call placed by Misty at 3:27, kwim? The officer and the dispatch are having this particular conversation AFTER the 911call from Misty. Now had that comment been made regarding the 2:13a call, then yes it would put the sighting near 12:30-1.00a.

Gotcha......thanks.

Seems to me a plausible timeline is falling into place. Makes you wonder why the police have not reiterated on this 2:13am phone call from the start. Could have jostled loose some more possible tips for that night with the people in the neighborhood. Noises around the dumpster, dogs barking, loud talking, etc.

 

[Whisperer]

Bazme, some think that RC's regular hours were 4:30 to 3:00am. If he was a clean-up person, he may indeed have different hours but who knows. RC told us he was a Crane Operator....not true, imo. They have to be certified. His attorney messed up the case even more by saying his work started each day at 5:00pm and he didn't actually run a Crane but did various jobs. He also added that RC liked to get into work a half hour early each day.

........more confusion, which was the Attorney's ploy.

 

[suspicious1]

Greenwood saying 2:13am and receiving the first call just blows me away.

I know Whisperer it blew me away too.

But now I wonder about this sighting of Haleigh at about 2-2:30a. If that was the last time someone had seen Haleigh why isn't it inlcuded in the timeline? Did Someone LIE about seeing her? But what would be the reason to LIE about it? Was Haleigh actually there 2-2:30 and someone just saw a "sleeping" Haleigh not knowing that she was actually dead and not asleep? When everyone scattered after that commotion 2-2:30a, did Ron leave (on the way to the store) and dropped a dead Haleigh off by the dumpster until the coast was clear to go back and move her? Could it be possible that when he got back from the store Misty is panicking telling him that the police had just been over to Tyler and they needed to act fast. Maybe Ron had already put her by the dumpster and when he got back from the store he learned that the police had spoken to Hank, so he panicks and tells Misty to call 911 and say that she is missing.

Sorry for the rambling. I just wish they would find Haleigh.

 

[lonetraveler]

I'm sure y'all have thought about the early morning time that Haleigh was reported seen last compared to the early morning time that the neighbor reported the woman's screaming. The report of seeing Haleigh last doesn't necessarily mean that Haleigh was alive.

 

[DenVIP]

Bazme, some think that RC's regular hours were 4:30 to 3:00am. If he was a clean-up person, he may indeed have different hours but who knows. RC told us he was a Crane Operator....not true, imo. They have to be certified. His attorney messed up the case even more by saying his work started each day at 5:00pm and he didn't actually run a Crane but did various jobs. He also added that RC liked to get into work a half hour early each day.

........more confusion, which was the Attorney's ploy.

and if I remember correctly the lawyer even gave the number of minutes it took for Ron to get to work...