When was the last time Lisa was seen alive

[hambirg]

The fact that they are still together tells me he still believes in her and the SODDI story. I don't know how much more he can do to "defend" her than what he is doing, sticking by her side.

I don't see it that way. He could have other motives for still sticking by her. He hasn't really defended her at all. He could, but he hasn't.

 

[norest4thewicked]

The fact that they are still together means to me that whatever happened to Lisa involved both of them, but I guess that is just one other persons perception.

 

[redheadedgal]

I don't see it that way. He could have other motives for still sticking by her. He hasn't really defended her at all. He could, but he hasn't.

exactly.

we don't know if they are together... we don't know what he's thinking... we don't know what happens when the camera is not there... the touching... the hugs... all caught on tape (and we don't know how genuine that was either)... does affection happen behind closed doors? no one knows.

just b/c two people are living in the same house does not mean they're together.

 

[4Jacy]

The fact that they are still together means to me that whatever happened to Lisa involved both of them, but I guess that is just one other persons perception.

On my post #43, I stated that I believed JI either shook, medicated or over-medicated Lisa before he went to work. He did this because she was fussy/crying and he needed a little shut-eye.

He didn't do this to harm her, just to quiet her. When he left home to go to his night shift job, Lisa was starting to die. JI didn't know that. He forgot to tell DB about the medication he gave her, and perhaps DB gave her a little more later on, before her actual death.

Later, when SB and her daughter looked in on Lisa, she just looked as though she was sleeping. It was not until DB checked on her that she realized she was dead.

JI could go to work and not act unusual at all, because of what he did. He had no kowledge what was happening at home until later when contacted by DB. That's when boots hit the ground and the disposal was planned and taken care of.

Of course, MOO

 

[Sparklin]

On my post #43, I stated that I believed JI either shook, medicated or over-medicated Lisa before he went to work. He did this because she was fussy/crying and he needed a little shut-eye.

He didn't do this to harm her, just to quiet her. When he left home to go to his night shift job, Lisa was starting to die. JI didn't know that. He forgot to tell DB about the medication he gave her, and perhaps DB gave her a little more later on, before her actual death.

Later, when SB and her daughter looked in on Lisa, she just looked as though she was sleeping. It was not until DB checked on her that she realized she was dead.

JI could go to work and not act unusual at all, because of what he did. He had no kowledge what was happening at home until later when contacted by DB. That's when boots hit the ground and the disposal was planned and taken care of.

Of course, MOO

I would be fine with this, except where is Lisa? The disposal part is where I have issues. I can't see Jeremy and/or Deb continuing their afternoon/evening so casually if she was already deceased, disposed of or not...and I don't see the disposal as possible from either of them later in the evening (after 10:30) UNLESS we hear that Jeremys time frame getting home was earlier than reported. JMO

 

[hambirg]

I would be fine with this, except where is Lisa? The disposal part is where I have issues. I can't see Jeremy and/or Deb continuing their afternoon/evening so casually if she was already deceased, disposed of or not...and I don't see the disposal as possible from either of them later in the evening (after 10:30) UNLESS we hear that Jeremys time frame getting home was earlier than reported. JMO

I somewhat agree here. I think if say, JI shook BL earlier in the day and DB found her deceased in her crib, she would have called 911. With the OD'ing thing. DB would have called 911 too, unless she gave BL a whopper of a dose and thought she was solely responsible. If she would have just given her a normal dose, she would have still called 911. The whopper of a dose isn't off the table though, that's still a possibility. But the only way I see that scenario working is if JI gave BL a dose too, otherwise he would blame DB.

The only way I can make this all work is JI acting alone. He has NEVER defended DB. When asked if she could do it. He said it was impossible. That's not a lie if he knew he did it himself. Why didn't he say he didn't think she was capable or that she has never hurt the children or ANYTHING along those lines? He doesn't. He is silent when she is struggling to defend herself. He never tells us that she didn't have a alcohol problem or anything at all like that.

If JI acted alone, he needs to keep DB close. You will never convince me that LE did not ask him to take a LDT. Imagine if LE gets DB alone and tells her they did ask him and he is lying about it! :what: What if they are able to tell her they know he was absent from work for a period of time? What if they start questioning her about what their relationship was like. .. if JI was ever jealous, etc. Nope. JI is the one that needs to be sure LE and DB don't speak alone. And the more suspicious people are of DB and speculate how she could be responsible, the easier it is for him to convince her that not speaking with LE is in her best interest. He acts as if he is protecting her. . .but I haven't seen that. He has had lots of opportunity to do just that, but hasn't. He insinuated that she was the ONLY one without an alibi. That's not sticking by the person you love. . .in fact, it's just the opposite.

 

[4Jacy]

I somewhat agree here. I think if say, JI shook BL earlier in the day and DB found her deceased in her crib, she would have called 911. With the OD'ing thing. DB would have called 911 too, unless she gave BL a whopper of a dose and thought she was solely responsible. If she would have just given her a normal dose, she would have still called 911. The whopper of a dose isn't off the table though, that's still a possibility. But the only way I see that scenario working is if JI gave BL a dose too, otherwise he would blame DB.

The only way I can make this all work is JI acting alone. He has NEVER defended DB. When asked if she could do it. He said it was impossible. That's not a lie if he knew he did it himself. Why didn't he say he didn't think she was capable or that she has never hurt the children or ANYTHING along those lines? He doesn't. He is silent when she is struggling to defend herself. He never tells us that she didn't have a alcohol problem or anything at all like that.

If JI acted alone, he needs to keep DB close. You will never convince me that LE did not ask him to take a LDT. Imagine if LE gets DB alone and tells her they did ask him and he is lying about it! :what: What if they are able to tell her they know he was absent from work for a period of time? What if they start questioning her about what their relationship was like. .. if JI was ever jealous, etc. Nope. JI is the one that needs to be sure LE and DB don't speak alone. And the more suspicious people are of DB and speculate how she could be responsible, the easier it is for him to convince her that not speaking with LE is in her best interest. He acts as if he is protecting her. . .but I haven't seen that. He has had lots of opportunity to do just that, but hasn't. He insinuated that she was the ONLY one without an alibi. That's not sticking by the person you love. . .in fact, it's just the opposite.

Yes, it's a C.Y. own A. mentality. I don't know what really happened, nor do any of us. However, if my husband had said those things, and had not supported me 100%, God help him, and all others that reduced me to blaming me by murdering my own child.

O/T: I have phemonia so I'm sort of struggling here. But the bright side is the GODFATHER is on ALL weekend~

fftobed:

 

[norest4thewicked]

On my post #43, I stated that I believed JI either shook, medicated or over-medicated Lisa before he went to work. He did this because she was fussy/crying and he needed a little shut-eye.

He didn't do this to harm her, just to quiet her. When he left home to go to his night shift job, Lisa was starting to die. JI didn't know that. He forgot to tell DB about the medication he gave her, and perhaps DB gave her a little more later on, before her actual death.

Later, when SB and her daughter looked in on Lisa, she just looked as though she was sleeping. It was not until DB checked on her that she realized she was dead.

JI could go to work and not act unusual at all, because of what he did. He had no kowledge what was happening at home until later when contacted by DB. That's when boots hit the ground and the disposal was planned and taken care of.

Of course, MOO

I have a slightly similar theory. My theory though involves the accident happening either the previous night or that day. Parents both were involved, either accidental overdose or drowning, and they had hours to plan. Everything was staged and JI did the disposal.

 

[askfornina]

But in a sneaky round about way JI isn't supporting her. He came out with that statement very early that he was cleared, everybody else was cleared except DB. LE has said nobody has been cleared. Why would he do that? It's almost as if he was throwing her under the bus a little bit there.

JI has never defended her drinking. When the Festival Foods video came out and DB was having to explain herself and defend her actions that night, JI never once came to her defense. He could have said he lives with her and knows her and knows she doesn't have a problem with alcohol, but he doesn't. He just sat there while she was struggling to defend herself.

IIRC I can't think of a time when JI had defended DB, just for the sake of defending her. It looks like he defends her sometimes, when it is self serving to him.

MOO

Not trying to argue or debate, just providing examples.

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/justi...-fail-a-lie-detector-test/?playlist_id=163706
JP: Okay, so it’s, um, okay, so that was two days after she was missing. So, um, and then they tell you that you failed it. What do you think of this, Jeremy? They tell you that your wife, mother of your baby, failed a lie detector. How, how does that make you feel?
JI: It, it didn’t, it didn’t really make me feel anything. It doesn’t change anything. I, I don’t, there was never any doubt in my mind, so it, I literally just told them I don’t care, and…
JP: She’s a great mother?
JI: She’s a great, great mother.

~~~
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/44927631#44927631

PA: Do you in any way question that she’s not telling you or police everything she knows?
JI: No. There’s no question to be had there. It, I know who she is, I know what kind of mother she is.

~~~

http://video.insider.foxnews.com/v/...e-asks-if-they-sold-or-killed-their-daughter/

MK: What’s your reaction to hearing this back and forth about Deborah drinking and being drunk and not, and blacking out, and not remembering every, everything that happened the night Lisa disappeared?
JI: Um, I don’t really have much of a reaction, I mean, regardless of what, how much she was drinking, or if she was drunk, or if she supposedly blacked out or whatever, it doesn’t change who you are and what you do.

 

[Donjeta]

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MK: What’s your reaction to hearing this back and forth about Deborah drinking and being drunk and not, and blacking out, and not remembering every, everything that happened the night Lisa disappeared?
JI: Um, I don’t really have much of a reaction, I mean, regardless of what, how much she was drinking, or if she was drunk, or if she supposedly blacked out or whatever, it doesn’t change who you are and what you do.

JMO. That is just not true and he knows it. Of course it does.

There is just no way that people are equally great parents while drunk or blacked out. They become less attentive, more accident-prone, more impulsive, more negligent in taking care of essential security such as locking doors, less caring about mundane routines like their children's evening snacks and bedtimes, more likely to go to bed without saying goodnight while your guests are still there, less likely to hear intruders walking in, less likely to be able to give the police essential information if something happens to the child...Also sometimes more violent. Babysitters were invented for a reason.

I don't understand this nonchalant reaction at all.

He entrusted his only daughter in the care of a woman who proceeded to get drunk and possibly blacked out and the daughter disappeared and he's just, like, whatever, it doesn't matter.

The only people whose parenting doesn't change for the worse while drunk and blacked out are the people whose parenting was rather bad to begin with.

:cow:

 

[vlpate]

Yes, it's a C.Y. own A. mentality. I don't know what really happened, nor do any of us. However, if my husband had said those things, and had not supported me 100%, God help him, and all others that reduced me to blaming me by murdering my own child.

O/T: I have phemonia so I'm sort of struggling here. But the bright side is the GODFATHER is on ALL weekend~

fftobed:

awww feel better Jacy, that sucks. Godfather - good. So many unforgettable scenes....

 

[4Jacy]

quote=Donjeta;7659676]Quote


JMO. That is just not true and he knows it. Of course it does.

There is just no way that people are equally great parents while drunk or blacked out. They become less attentive, more accident-prone, more impulsive, more negligent in taking care of essential security such as locking doors, less caring about mundane routines like their children's evening snacks and bedtimes, more likely to go to bed without saying goodnight while your guests are still there, less likely to hear intruders walking in, less likely to be able to give the police essential information if something happens to the child...Also sometimes more violent. Babysitters were invented for a reason.

I don't understand this nonchalant reaction at all.

He entrusted his only daughter in the care of a woman who proceeded to get drunk and possibly blacked out and the daughter disappeared and he's just, like, whatever, it doesn't matter.

The only people whose parenting doesn't change for the worse while drunk and blacked out are the people whose parenting was rather bad to begin with.

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:goodpost:

 

[SyraKelly]

Not trying to argue or debate, just providing examples.

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/justi...-fail-a-lie-detector-test/?playlist_id=163706
JP: Okay, so it’s, um, okay, so that was two days after she was missing. So, um, and then they tell you that you failed it. What do you think of this, Jeremy? They tell you that your wife, mother of your baby, failed a lie detector. How, how does that make you feel?
JI: It, it didn’t, it didn’t really make me feel anything. It doesn’t change anything. I, I don’t, there was never any doubt in my mind, so it, I literally just told them I don’t care, and…
JP: She’s a great mother?
JI: She’s a great, great mother.

~~~
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/44927631#44927631

PA: Do you in any way question that she’s not telling you or police everything she knows?
JI: No. There’s no question to be had there. It, I know who she is, I know what kind of mother she is.

~~~

http://video.insider.foxnews.com/v/...e-asks-if-they-sold-or-killed-their-daughter/

MK: What’s your reaction to hearing this back and forth about Deborah drinking and being drunk and not, and blacking out, and not remembering every, everything that happened the night Lisa disappeared?
JI: Um, I don’t really have much of a reaction, I mean, regardless of what, how much she was drinking, or if she was drunk, or if she supposedly blacked out or whatever, it doesn’t change who you are and what you do.

Nina-I am jumping off your post here-so its not directed at you
MOOC-This would have been a great time for Jeremy to show how much he loved and supported Deb-but he never mentions anything about her taking wonderful care of the children-loving them-going to ball games-bathing them-getting them ready for school.-ect ect..he only says she is a great mother when JP finishes he sentence FOR him...boy that must have been a miracle for him at that moment when JP said that-..I wish she had let him finish that sentence-not only that-he is just repeating what Deb said in an earlier interview-where she said -it does not change you..he can not think for himself in MO-To me-he is just saying what people want to hear-but he believes none of it himself...JMO

does anyone remember if Deb took the baby monitor out to the front stoop while drinking?

 

[Whisperer]

Jeremy parroting the same words DB used regarding "It doesn't change who you are and what you do" shows us how tightly woven these two are. If JI believes this malarky, then perhaps he also has a drinking problem. JI is covering for DB regarding her drinking, what else is he hiding? Something is very wrong with these two people.

Is Jeremy going this far so he can keep his child away from his mother? Is that more important to him than finding Lisa? Could he be bragging about DB's "Good mother" (Boy, have I heard this one befoe) so he gets it out there to make sure his son is not removed from the house? Possibly..

He is either directly or indirectly involved in the disappearance of Lisa. There is no way that this would bring two unmarried people closer together. That is just an outright lie!

 

[SyraKelly]

Jeremy parroting the same words DB used regarding "It doesn't change who you are and what you do" shows us how tightly woven these two are. If JI believes this malarky, then perhaps he also has a drinking problem. JI is covering for DB regarding her drinking, what else is he hiding? Something is very wrong with these two people.

Is Jeremy going this far so he can keep his child away from his mother? Is that more important to him than finding Lisa? Could he be bragging about DB's "Good mother" (Boy, have I heard this one befoe) so he gets it out there to make sure his son is not removed from the house? Possibly..

He is either directly or indirectly involved in the disappearance of Lisa. There is no way that this would bring two unmarried people closer together. That is just an outright lie!

but he is not the one who says she is a great mother-JP is-he just repeats what she says..he did not come up with good mother on his own.he says-I know what kind of mother she is-and he never tells us what kind of mother she is..

 

[hambirg]

Not trying to argue or debate, just providing examples.

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/justi...-fail-a-lie-detector-test/?playlist_id=163706
JP: Okay, so it’s, um, okay, so that was two days after she was missing. So, um, and then they tell you that you failed it. What do you think of this, Jeremy? They tell you that your wife, mother of your baby, failed a lie detector. How, how does that make you feel?
JI: It, it didn’t, it didn’t really make me feel anything. It doesn’t change anything. I, I don’t, there was never any doubt in my mind, so it, I literally just told them I don’t care, and…
JP: She’s a great mother?
JI: She’s a great, great mother.

He didn't feel anything? Really? This is where he could have said he was shocked and there must be an explanation because he knows she is not capable of hurting her children. But he doesn't do any of that. He says there was never any doubt in his mind, again, not a lie if he knows he is responsible for what happened to BL. He doesn't qualify that with because DB is not capable or that she would never do something like this. And then at the end he just parrots JP's question. That is something he should have already said on his own if he was truly defending DB.

~~~
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/44927631#44927631

PA: Do you in any way question that she’s not telling you or police everything she knows?
JI: No. There’s no question to be had there. It, I know who she is, I know what kind of mother she is.

Again, not a lie if he knows he is responsible and DB knows nothing. He says he knows what kind of mother she is, but he fails to tell us what kind. One would think he would jump at the chance to tell us she is not capable of hurting BL if he was really defending her.
~~~

http://video.insider.foxnews.com/v/...e-asks-if-they-sold-or-killed-their-daughter/

MK: What’s your reaction to hearing this back and forth about Deborah drinking and being drunk and not, and blacking out, and not remembering every, everything that happened the night Lisa disappeared?
JI: Um, I don’t really have much of a reaction, I mean, regardless of what, how much she was drinking, or if she was drunk, or if she supposedly blacked out or whatever, it doesn’t change who you are and what you do.

Again, no reaction? If he was sticking up for DB he would defend her. He would say that she isn't a drunk. That it was just a special occasion. And then he just parrots what DB has already said.

My comments above in red. I know it's subtle. But I just don't see him actively defending her. He never steps up and says that she is not capable, or tells us how wonderfully she takes care of the children, or that she doesn't have an alcohol problem. I think if he was truly defending her, he would say those things.

MOO

 

[4Jacy]

I would be fine with this, except where is Lisa? The disposal part is where I have issues. I can't see Jeremy and/or Deb continuing their afternoon/evening so casually if she was already deceased, disposed of or not...and I don't see the disposal as possible from either of them later in the evening (after 10:30) UNLESS we hear that Jeremys time frame getting home was earlier than reported. JMO

BBM

I still like my theory, however, the above bolded is really bothering me too. As far as we know all known vehicles were searched, including the grandfather. So how could the disposal take place, and who could have done it? The only people I can think of are JI or PN. JI, if is to be believed had his Starbucks alibi (?) but what about PN? How tight is his?

I am disregarding Jersey, Dane, et al. of that group. I can't see it being done for drugs, revenge or money either. :twocents:

 

[Donjeta]

"Um, I don’t really have much of a reaction," sounds rather blasé to me. He probably didn't have much of a reaction because it came as no surprise to him that she would get drunk while she was the sole adult caregiver of an infant and two other children. He was home when she left to buy the booze and likely knew in advance that it was the plan to have some more adult time. If he had been expecting her to be a sober and capable caregiver he would have been angry to find out otherwise but he didn't have that expectation. If he left his baby with her knowing that she planned to get drunk it would have been a bit hypocritical of him to pretend to be outraged when he found out she was intoxicated.

Maybe he thought it was OK because no child had got hurt or gone missing the previous times the same thing happened.

:cow:

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

Maybe these last few posts should be moved to the JI threads, we're starting to get away from the OP "when was the last time Lisa was seen?" has little to do with JI defending DB MOO.

 

[norest4thewicked]

Jeremy parroting the same words DB used regarding "It doesn't change who you are and what you do" shows us how tightly woven these two are. If JI believes this malarky, then perhaps he also has a drinking problem. JI is covering for DB regarding her drinking, what else is he hiding? Something is very wrong with these two people.

Is Jeremy going this far so he can keep his child away from his mother? Is that more important to him than finding Lisa? Could he be bragging about DB's "Good mother" (Boy, have I heard this one befoe) so he gets it out there to make sure his son is not removed from the house? Possibly..

He is either directly or indirectly involved in the disappearance of Lisa. There is no way that this would bring two unmarried people closer together. That is just an outright lie!

BBM - Boy, do I agree with this!