When was the last time Lisa was seen alive

[norest4thewicked]

Disposal would have been no problem if it was JI who did it. If Lisa died Sunday night or Monday, JI could have easily walked down to the river from the house before sunrise Monday morning, could have taken Lisa to work in (forgive me for saying this) a bucket in his work van after she had been fully wrapped and then either dumped her from a bridge after dark when he took a break from Starbucks (which I can't imagine anyone working for 10 hours straight and NOT taken a break to eat and especially smoke a cigarette). Or, he could have dumped her between the time he got off work and the time he went home. If he/they had already scouted out a spot, it would take no more than a couple of minutes to dispose of Lisa. If you take Lisa away from the area of her home, and to the area of where JI was working, there could be a million places to dump her. OR, if something happened Sunday night, they would have all day to do so. I realize that JI worked first shift that day, but I'm sure he didn't have cameras trained on him all day during his daytime job. The timeline now appears to be 30+ hours from when Lisa was seen alive last.

 

[LillieBelle]

Yes, after the search warrant, 17 hour search. The furniture was moved for a reason, that's what I am trying to figure out. They didn't need to move the chest of drawers to inspect them.. The very first picture we see of the baby's room, somewhere around the 10/12, the chest is not there, just a baby swing. There are drawers from the dresser stacked at the foot of the crib. The first photos of that chest of drawers being thee was a still from Cindy Short's video and in Peter's video after the search. If Short spent much time in Lisa's room, it was edited out.

I believe LE spent a lot of time in the home looking for the cell phones. They knew that JI was an electrician and could have hid the phones in the walls etc.

 

[Little Ol Me]

When was the last time Lisa was seen alive?
Oct. 3 2011.... Today I am having very positive & hopeful thoughts that Lisa will very soon be seen again.

 

[Sparklin]

When was the last time Lisa was seen alive?
Oct. 3 2011.... Today I am having very positive & hopeful thoughts that Lisa will very soon be seen again.

She was at a birthday party on the Sunday ~ there are pictures.

YAY you ~ I'm hoping you are right and sending positive thoughts and prayers!!

 

[katydid23]

exactly.

we don't know if they are together... we don't know what he's thinking... we don't know what happens when the camera is not there... the touching... the hugs... all caught on tape (and we don't know how genuine that was either)... does affection happen behind closed doors? no one knows.

just b/c two people are living in the same house does not mean they're together.

He may be there to protect the two boys until he finds out the truth about what happened.

 

[norest4thewicked]

No one saw Lisa after the party on Sunday night. No one has come forward to say that they saw Lisa all day Monday save for BS's spin, which can't be believed. It's every bit as possible that Lisa died on Sunday night or anytime Monday....as sad as that is.

 

[Etilema]

No one saw Lisa after the party on Sunday night. No one has come forward to say that they saw Lisa all day Monday save for BS's spin, which can't be believed. It's every bit as possible that Lisa died on Sunday night or anytime Monday....as sad as that is.

Do you mean SB (the neighbor/drinking buddy)? Didn't she claim to have seen Lisa the day she went missing?

 

[norest4thewicked]

Do you mean SB (the neighbor/drinking buddy)? Didn't she claim to have seen Lisa the day she went missing?

No, Bill Stanton is the one who leaked it to the media that SB and her daughter had seen Lisa that day. SB never said that she had seen Lisa because if she would have, it would have been all over the news with her as the source. There has never been any other reputable information that this actually happened. BS and JT have lied so much, that you can't believe anything he says. In my opinion, this was a lie too.

 

[Whisperer]

Where was Phil N all day? I have read that he was at the Lister house during the day...speaking of flying under the radar, this kid is supersonic. How in the world does everyone leave him out of the mix? He should have come forth and said something to establish Lisa being alive. If he saw her, I would think the Def team would parade him all over the media.

So the question is...Is he hiding something? He and DB are VERY cliose. Did she tell him anything? Did he spend part of the day at the house, and if so, why aren't they saying?

JI never mentioned him. SB hasn't mentioned him and most of all, DB has been mum about him. I don't believe he appeared out of nowhere and took DB to the store when there were two people in the house with DLs. I think there is more to the story of Phil N and DB and their trip to buy wine.

 

[TxLady2]

Don't you think the cops would have asked the boys if they saw their baby sister that day? Either one of them would be old enough to question, and it would not have required taking them down to the police station... they could have done that early the morning of the first report of her missing, or that afternoon, and they should have. If they didn't, it would surprise me.

 

[norest4thewicked]

Where was Phil N all day? I have read that he was at the Lister house during the day...speaking of flying under the radar, this kid is supersonic. How in the world does everyone leave him out of the mix? He should have come forth and said something to establish Lisa being alive. If he saw her, I would think the Def team would parade him all over the media.

So the question is...Is he hiding something? He and DB are VERY cliose. Did she tell him anything? Did he spend part of the day at the house, and if so, why aren't they saying?

JI never mentioned him. SB hasn't mentioned him and most of all, DB has been mum about him. I don't believe he appeared out of nowhere and took DB to the store when there were two people in the house with DLs. I think there is more to the story of Phil N and DB and their trip to buy wine.

This is another reason that I think that Lisa was disposed of on Monday during the day, if not the night before. IF PN had seen Lisa, wouldn't everyone know about it? If BS was going to spin a story about the neighbor and her daughter seeing Lisa, why not PN? I don't get this. I don't believe that Lisa was there during the day. She might not have been disposed of yet, but she was certainly not alive anymore. I think that when/if PN was there, that he was told that Lisa was napping. This story would work with the boys too. They are little, they wouldn't know if Lisa was gone too long. DB could have kept them busy. And, I agree with you on PN that he might be involved, but the more I am solidifying my theory, I think it was DB and JI alone. :moo:

 

[Whisperer]

So the defense team doesn't give DB and JI a polygraph? If they dib/JI (and I bet they did) and they passed, the two Joes would be blasting it on national media.

I don't see JI ever taking a poly, though. IMO, he is paranoid and would refuse. I wonder if JI, DB and her brother phil together sought out a final resting spot for Lisa. IMO, DB would confide in her brother.

The defense team doesn't have too much to spin other than :
1. the FBI trained cadaver dog smelled feces and alerted
2. SB's 4 yr old toddler saw lisa @ 6:40
3. the version of three, let me repeat THREE credible witnesses...LOL

 

[Whisperer]

The boys were interviewed (I bet for only a few minutes) in the morning of the evernt. The attorneys prevented them from any more interviews to clarify. By the time they were forced and they'd allow it, too much time had passed.

Anyone curious as to DB's boy having a bad nightmare that evening...hmm?

 

[norest4thewicked]

Don't you think the cops would have asked the boys if they saw their baby sister that day? Either one of them would be old enough to question, and it would not have required taking them down to the police station... they could have done that early the morning of the first report of her missing, or that afternoon, and they should have. If they didn't, it would surprise me.

The boys went to school the day before Lisa was reported missing (Monday). So, if she wasn't there in the morning, that could be explained by the parents telling them that she was still asleep. If she was still there that morning and died during the day, the boys were at school and wouldn't have known. When they got home, they could have been told that Lisa was napping again. And, once the boys got busy playing, they could have lost track of time. While a few little children are able to make note of details like time, etc, very few are. These little boys were only 5 and 7 I believe, and not at all old enough to remember the difference between 5 hours or 12 hours. And, I'm positive that LE would have talked to them, but their little memories might not have been able to remember those details.

 

[passionflower]

I have a slightly similar theory. My theory though involves the accident happening either the previous night or that day. Parents both were involved, either accidental overdose or drowning, and they had hours to plan. Everything was staged and JI did the disposal.

JMOO everything was staged.
JMOO Lisa died before the 911 call.
JMOO maybe that is why DB had to 'get drunk'
JMOO some kind of accident and parents or someone close
went into a panic clean up mode.
JMOO parents were afraid of losing custody of their sons.

 

[Whisperer]

So the defense team is putting Jersey and Megan W out there, front and center. If they had witnesses to seeing Lisa alive, they would be putting that out there too...because that would help proliferate the SODDI theory.

The defense team has, basically, nothing. A large majority of the public know that DB/JI are lying. LE knows it also. Gads, no one in the extended family is even out there begging for the child. How long is this fiasco going to be allowed to continue?

 

[DeAnn]

Don't you think the cops would have asked the boys if they saw their baby sister that day? Either one of them would be old enough to question, and it would not have required taking them down to the police station... they could have done that early the morning of the first report of her missing, or that afternoon, and they should have. If they didn't, it would surprise me.

The boys were questioned Oct. 4. They were then questioned again in November. Much media coverage of the second interview.

So we have the boys, Phil Netz, Samantha Brando who could say whether they saw Lisa on Oct. 3 and reportedly Jeremy Irwin's boss heard her in the background while on the phone. We don't know who else might have seen Lisa on Oct. 3.

Police as of last week aren't changing the timeline which is Lisa disappeared late afternoon/evening/night Oct. 3 or morning of Oct. 4.

They certainly aren't asking the public to come forward if they saw something unusual BEFORE 6:30 p.m. Oct. 3. If the time line had changed, wouldn't the police want the public to know that in case they saw something suspicious a la what the one couple says they saw around 12:30 a.m.???

 

[katydid23]

The boys went to school the day before Lisa was reported missing (Monday). So, if she wasn't there in the morning, that could be explained by the parents telling them that she was still asleep. If she was still there that morning and died during the day, the boys were at school and wouldn't have known. When they got home, they could have been told that Lisa was napping again. And, once the boys got busy playing, they could have lost track of time. While a few little children are able to make note of details like time, etc, very few are. These little boys were only 5 and 7 I believe, and not at all old enough to remember the difference between 5 hours or 12 hours. And, I'm positive that LE would have talked to them, but their little memories might not have been able to remember those details.

And the parents could have coached them, telling them that the police want to take them away from their home so they need to answer the questions 'correctly.'

 

[Little Ol Me]

Don't you think the cops would have asked the boys if they saw their baby sister that day? Either one of them would be old enough to question, and it would not have required taking them down to the police station... they could have done that early the morning of the first report of her missing, or that afternoon, and they should have. If they didn't, it would surprise me.

LE did talk to both boys very early on, and I'm sure they were ask when they last saw their sister, and a lot more.

 

[Whisperer]

LE doesn't give two hoots about their timeline. They suspect Lisa his died. If they wanted the public's help, they would ask. All suspicion rest right in the house on Lister. This is very similar to the Cummings case.