When was the last time Lisa was seen alive

[norest4thewicked]

JMOO everything was staged.
JMOO Lisa died before the 911 call.
JMOO maybe that is why DB had to 'get drunk'
JMOO some kind of accident and parents or someone close
went into a panic clean up mode.
JMOO parents were afraid of losing custody of their sons.

Great minds think alike passionflower..:seeya:

 

[norest4thewicked]

The boys were questioned Oct. 4. They were then questioned again in November. Much media coverage of the second interview.

So we have the boys, Phil Netz, Samantha Brando who could say whether they saw Lisa on Oct. 3 and reportedly Jeremy Irwin's boss heard her in the background while on the phone. We don't know who else might have seen Lisa on Oct. 3.

Police as of last week aren't changing the timeline which is Lisa disappeared late afternoon/evening/night Oct. 3 or morning of Oct. 4.

They certainly aren't asking the public to come forward if they saw something unusual BEFORE 6:30 p.m. Oct. 3. If the time line had changed, wouldn't the police want the public to know that in case they saw something suspicious a la what the one couple says they saw around 12:30 a.m.???

BBM

None of this has been substantiated. So, wouldn't you think that if they actually DID see Lisa before that evening, we would know about it because it would be a big thing for the DT.

BBM 2

Just the fact that LE has "late afternoon or early evening" to me indicates that they consider a possibility that Lisa was killed that day.

 

[norest4thewicked]

LE did talk to both boys very early on, and I'm sure they were ask when they last saw their sister, and a lot more.

Yes, but as I stated above, little boys only 5 and 7 don't have the judge of time as an adult does.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

The boys were questioned Oct. 4. They were then questioned again in November. Much media coverage of the second interview.

So we have the boys, Phil Netz, Samantha Brando who could say whether they saw Lisa on Oct. 3 and reportedly Jeremy Irwin's boss heard her in the background while on the phone. We don't know who else might have seen Lisa on Oct. 3.

Police as of last week aren't changing the timeline which is Lisa disappeared late afternoon/evening/night Oct. 3 or morning of Oct. 4.

They certainly aren't asking the public to come forward if they saw something unusual BEFORE 6:30 p.m. Oct. 3. If the time line had changed, wouldn't the police want the public to know that in case they saw something suspicious a la what the one couple says they saw around 12:30 a.m.???

BBM
So we have the two boy's, PN, SB, and Jeremy's boss all in on a conspiracy to hide the truth of when Lisa was last seen. I don't buy it. And I don't buy the premise that LE knows that Lisa was last seen on Sunday but keeping it a secret from the public. Why would LE deceive the public about that when the public's help is so important?

 

[menmo]

BBM

I would be fine with this, except where is Lisa? The disposal part is where I have issues. I can't see Jeremy and/or Deb continuing their afternoon/evening so casually if she was already deceased, disposed of or not...and I don't see the disposal as possible from either of them later in the evening (after 10:30) UNLESS we hear that Jeremys time frame getting home was earlier than reported. JMO

This is the part that always bothers me, too, and I cannot wrap my mind around the fact that disposals happen. IF it were an accident and people got scared (which is another hard one for me because people don't get in trouble if it wasn't neglect but an accident) how do you just throw your baby away???? I have a hard enough time burying our pets, and cannot imagine how I would ever be mentally sane after just throwing one out.

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JMO. That is just not true and he knows it. Of course it does.

There is just no way that people are equally great parents while drunk or blacked out. They become less attentive, more accident-prone, more impulsive, more negligent in taking care of essential security such as locking doors, less caring about mundane routines like their children's evening snacks and bedtimes, more likely to go to bed without saying goodnight while your guests are still there, less likely to hear intruders walking in, less likely to be able to give the police essential information if something happens to the child...Also sometimes more violent. Babysitters were invented for a reason.

I don't understand this nonchalant reaction at all.

He entrusted his only daughter in the care of a woman who proceeded to get drunk and possibly blacked out and the daughter disappeared and he's just, like, whatever, it doesn't matter.

The only people whose parenting doesn't change for the worse while drunk and blacked out are the people whose parenting was rather bad to begin with.

:cow:

IF Jeremy really believes that being drunk, black out drunk or heck, even drinking more than a drink or two doesn't change you or the way you parent I'm scared all over again for the two boys in the home. Speaks volumes about his parenting, in my opinion!

MOO

 

[vlpate]

The boys were questioned Oct. 4. They were then questioned again in November. Much media coverage of the second interview.

So we have the boys, Phil Netz, Samantha Brando who could say whether they saw Lisa on Oct. 3 and reportedly Jeremy Irwin's boss heard her in the background while on the phone. We don't know who else might have seen Lisa on Oct. 3.

KCTV5 pinned a timeline down...wonder where they got their information? Samantha Brando has never said a word about seeing Lisa - LE hasn't commented on Samantha or her daughter. JI's boss could have heard the TV, that's no proof of anything.

Police as of last week aren't changing the timeline which is Lisa disappeared late afternoon/evening/night Oct. 3 or morning of Oct. 4.

They certainly aren't asking the public to come forward if they saw something unusual BEFORE 6:30 p.m. Oct. 3. If the time line had changed, wouldn't the police want the public to know that in case they saw something suspicious a la what the one couple says they saw around 12:30 a.m.???

DB said the last time she saw Lisa was 6:40 - LE can't change that unless DB does.

I would think LE would have asked the blob to come forward if it held any merit...or the two guys with babies. I think they know who all three are.

 

[vlpate]

BBM
So we have the two boy's, PN, SB, and Jeremy's boss all in on a conspiracy to hide the truth of when Lisa was last seen. I don't buy it. And I don't buy the premise that LE knows that Lisa was last seen on Sunday but keeping it a secret from the public. Why would LE deceive the public about that when the public's help is so important?

No one besides the parents have said they saw Lisa that day. Not saying I don't think she was there - but that convoluted timeline came from Bill Stanton, not anyone else.

 

[DeAnn]

BBM
So we have the two boy's, PN, SB, and Jeremy's boss all in on a conspiracy to hide the truth of when Lisa was last seen. I don't buy it. And I don't buy the premise that LE knows that Lisa was last seen on Sunday but keeping it a secret from the public. Why would LE deceive the public about that when the public's help is so important?

Thanks Ranch for the thanks

Btw I said late afternoon/early evening etc etc because I didn't want to get into a splitting hair discussion about what is afternoon and what is evening.

Samantha Brando has not said publicly what she told police. But if there is no evidence from her or the boys or anyone else that Lisa was alive before late afternoon/early evening (see previous paragraph) then I can't imagine police would either have publicly or privately sat on that information.

KCPD isn't revising the timeline. You can debate why not but they are not. And that's significant to me.

I was at the casinos last night and as always the whole way up there and back I imagine what could have happened the night in question and hope/pray we get answers soon.

ETA: There's a lot of stuff that the police know that have not been made public. What the boys and Samantha Brando said are among those details.

 

[DeAnn]

And the parents could have coached them, telling them that the police want to take them away from their home so they need to answer the questions 'correctly.'

How do we know the boys went to school on Monday? That's just an assumption right? It's like so many things. We simply don't know. One of them could have been sick like Lisa and stayed home. They could have had a tummy ache from the birthday party. They could have been in school. Or not. We simply don't know for sure.


Police didn't do either of the interviews with the boys.

 

[vlpate]

When was the last time Lisa was seen alive?
Oct. 3 2011.... Today I am having very positive & hopeful thoughts that Lisa will very soon be seen again.

That's the last time DB and JI say they saw her alive. Just to be clear.

 

[hambirg]

You all bring up good points. I'm still bothered by JI saying that LE accused him of doing something to Lisa while he was home on his break. That leads me to believe that they don't have a credible sighting of a live Lisa after that time. I think whatever happened happened sometime after DB and PN left for Festival Foods.

That's all I got.

 

[DeAnn]

You all bring up good points. I'm still bothered by JI saying that LE accused him of doing something to Lisa while he was home on his break. That leads me to believe that they don't have a credible sighting of a live Lisa after that time. I think whatever happened happened sometime after DB and PN left for Festival Foods.

That's all I got.

I knew LE had initially accused JI but didn't know he discussed that. Do you have a link to an interview where I could see that? I'd appreciate it.

 

[katydid23]

You all bring up good points. I'm still bothered by JI saying that LE accused him of doing something to Lisa while he was home on his break. That leads me to believe that they don't have a credible sighting of a live Lisa after that time. I think whatever happened happened sometime after DB and PN left for Festival Foods.

That's all I got.

I have heard that theory, that she was shaken by him or something when he was trying to sleep. But the main problem I have is that DB just went ahead and made a chicjken dinner for her neighbor and then 'happily' chatted outside on the stoop for hours. If I cam home from a quick trip to the store, and my DH pulled me aside to say " Hey, I just killed the baby, don't let on that anything is wrong, ok..." SERIOUSLY? How could she have carried on like it was all cool?

 

[norest4thewicked]

I have heard that theory, that she was shaken by him or something when he was trying to sleep. But the main problem I have is that DB just went ahead and made a chicjken dinner for her neighbor and then 'happily' chatted outside on the stoop for hours. If I cam home from a quick trip to the store, and my DH pulled me aside to say " Hey, I just killed the baby, don't let on that anything is wrong, ok..." SERIOUSLY? How could she have carried on like it was all cool?

That's exactly why I think that they were both involved. What you said above is just not something that could happen, I don't think.

 

[hambirg]

I knew LE had initially accused JI but didn't know he discussed that. Do you have a link to an interview where I could see that? I'd appreciate it.

I'll see if I can find it. I think it is in one of the parts of that long Megyn Kelly interview. I know I just saw it last week when we were discussing it here. JI says that LE accused him of doing something to Lisa while he was at home for those 2.5 hours. IIRC

 

[hambirg]

I have heard that theory, that she was shaken by him or something when he was trying to sleep. But the main problem I have is that DB just went ahead and made a chicjken dinner for her neighbor and then 'happily' chatted outside on the stoop for hours. If I cam home from a quick trip to the store, and my DH pulled me aside to say " Hey, I just killed the baby, don't let on that anything is wrong, ok..." SERIOUSLY? How could she have carried on like it was all cool?

Honestly, I don't think he told her. I think he knows DB better than anyone and he would know that she wouldn't check on BL if she was getting her drink on. .. just let her sleep if she didn't cry. I don't think she cried and I don't think DB checked on her. MOO

 

[katydid23]

Honestly, I don't think he told her. I think he knows DB better than anyone and he would know that she wouldn't check on BL if she was getting her drink on. .. just let her sleep if she didn't cry. I don't think she cried and I don't think DB checked on her. MOO

So what did he do then? Leave her dead in the crib ? :what:????

 

[redheadedgal]

I'll see if I can find it. I think it is in one of the parts of that long Megyn Kelly interview. I know I just saw it last week when we were discussing it here. JI says that LE accused him of doing something to Lisa while he was at home for those 2.5 hours. IIRC

i think it was discussed in the jeremy thread ... ?

 

[hambirg]

So what did he do then? Leave her dead in the crib ? :what:????

If. . big IF. . JI did do something to BL during the time that DB and PN were at Festival Foods, then yes. But that's not my favored theory. I'm more inclined to think something happened later. . .right before that 12:15am sighting.

 

[redheadedgal]

hambirg-- it's mentioned in here

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-na...ely-refuse-to-cooperate-with-cops-hire-lawyer