When was the last time Lisa was seen alive

[Deleted member 39678]

Jeremy Irwin told Megyn Kelly of Fox News that the police suggested to him that it was possible that he hurt or did something to his child before he went to work that night.

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-nas...ps-hire-lawyer


if LE thought whatever happened happened after JI left for the starbucks job why the above line of questioning? why would they want to question him and DB separately now? and WHY are these parents refusing to do this? i think the answers are pretty obvious, and police are not saying b/c it's been their policy to not say. and if they're not saying, they're not saying to anyone. wouldn't be the first time LE protected an investigation !!

BBM.
LE questioned Jeremy in that manner to see if he would implicate someone else. Looks like that tactic didn't work. Is that because he has no idea who took Lisa?

 

[vlpate]

when it says police indicate, that's Steve Young. I asked him about the timeline in wake of all the questions on WebSleuths.

I'm not trying to convince anyone either way because folks can draw their own conclusions. I asked the questions and I'm sharing the response.

Steve Young is standing by the original timeline and is not revisiting the issue.

Here's part of what he said in response to questions about the timeline. "There really is not anything new."

BEM: Actually, your report says the following.

"Police have not indicated that they think Lisa disappeared before the evening of Oct. 3."

Do you have a quote?

Is Steve Young standing by the fabricated timeline Bill Stanton gave KCTV4 as a "source close to the family"?

When did SB and MB see Lisa - did you ask that?

 

[hambirg]

BBM.
LE questioned Jeremy in that manner to see if he would implicate someone else. Looks like that tactic didn't work. Is that because he has no idea who took Lisa?

But they also searched that pond behind Festival Foods. LE's timeline could have been changing as they learned new things in their investigation. Never once has LE come out and said what their timeline is. Never once have they told the public when they believe the last credible sighting of a live BL was. We just don't know what they know. But when did they do that pond search? It was kind of late. . mid Oct IIRC. Why would they do that if they felt confident that BL was in her crib alive at 6:40pm? I'm not saying she wasn't, just that LE may not know for sure.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

But they also searched that pond behind Festival Foods. LE's timeline could have been changing as they learned new things in their investigation. Never once has LE come out and said what their timeline is. Never once have they told the public when they believe the last credible sighting of a live BL was. We just don't know what they know. But when did they do that pond search? It was kind of late. . mid Oct IIRC. Why would they do that if they felt confident that BL was in her crib alive at 6:40pm? I'm not saying she wasn't, just that LE may not know for sure.

I'm not understanding your point about the pond search. What does Lisa being in her crib at 6:40pm Oct 3rd have to do with a search in mid-Oct?

 

[hambirg]

I'm not understanding your point about the pond search. What does Lisa being in her crib at 6:40pm Oct 3rd have to do with a search in mid-Oct?

Well, I think the train of thought is that BL could have been disposed of during that wine run. So LE searches the pond behind Festival Foods after they found out about DB going there with PN. If they knew BL was in her crib safe and sound and alive at 6:40pm, why did they search there?

 

[DeAnn]

Well, I think the train of thought is that BL could have been disposed of during that wine run. So LE searches the pond behind Festival Foods after they found out about DB going there with PN. If they knew BL was in her crib safe and sound and alive at 6:40pm, why did they search there?

Would seem awfully gutsy to bury or deposit a baby in broad daylight on a beautiful day in which parks were packed with throngs of people enjoying the beautiful weather. Wouldn't you want to wait for the cover of darkness? Wouldn't they worry that someone would come up on them while enjoying the park that day?


I can only imagine that police have gathered surveillance video all along the route of Phil Netz and Debbie Bradley's ride home from the Festival Foods to see if their story is true or not.

Why did they search that pond? I don't think there was a body of water in the Northland near the home that was NOT searched. There were even bodies of water searched in Kansas.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Well, I think the train of thought is that BL could have been disposed of during that wine run. So LE searches the pond behind Festival Foods after they found out about DB going there with PN. If they knew BL was in her crib safe and sound and alive at 6:40pm, why did they search there?

I'm not sure if it's logical to take were LE searched and then conclude that they know Lisa was missing from her house at a certain time. I think that LE searched a lot of places to eliminate her being there rather than they had information she was there.

 

[Etilema]

This is another reason that I think that Lisa was disposed of on Monday during the day, if not the night before. IF PN had seen Lisa, wouldn't everyone know about it? If BS was going to spin a story about the neighbor and her daughter seeing Lisa, why not PN? I don't get this. I don't believe that Lisa was there during the day. She might not have been disposed of yet, but she was certainly not alive anymore. I think that when/if PN was there, that he was told that Lisa was napping. This story would work with the boys too. They are little, they wouldn't know if Lisa was gone too long. DB could have kept them busy. And, I agree with you on PN that he might be involved, but the more I am solidifying my theory, I think it was DB and JI alone. :moo:

One thing I am not getting. If Lisa was already gone before that evening, and both JI and DB knew about it, why would DB get drunk on the night they carried out their cover story and why would she then lie about having gotten drunk? I mean I could see getting drink as an excuse for not hearing an intruder, but then why cover it up and later admit to it?

 

[redheadedgal]

LE questioned Jeremy in that manner to see if he would implicate someone else. Looks like that tactic didn't work.

link please -- TIA.

 

[norest4thewicked]

One thing I am not getting. If Lisa was already gone before that evening, and both JI and DB knew about it, why would DB get drunk on the night they carried out their cover story and why would she then lie about having gotten drunk? I mean I could see getting drink as an excuse for not hearing an intruder, but then why cover it up and later admit to it?

I don't believe that she was drunk on that night. I think that she has been black out drunk on so many occasions that it wasn't a surprise to anyone when she said she was drunk that night and could have blacked out. She "admitted it" later because that would be a great reason that she didn't hear an intruder. All part of the staging in my opinion.

 

[redheadedgal]

All part of the staging in my opinion.

and b/c it was mentioned later on, it was too late to get a BAC done

quite ingenious if you ask me :twocents:

 

[DeAnn]

link please -- TIA.

The UMKC professor who was present and aware of those first interviews talked about the tactics that police used in those first days and how he felt police were trying to turn parents on each other and to get one to confess. This is one of his PUBLIC interviews.

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/11/11/3260417/baby-lisas-attorney-explains-parents.html

Here's more.....from October.......it's from a Wichita paper who got the article from Kansas City Star


Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/2011/10/21/2070823/parents-lawyers-say-police-pushed.html#storylink=cpy

 

[hambirg]

I'm not sure if it's logical to take were LE searched and then conclude that they know Lisa was missing from her house at a certain time. I think that LE searched a lot of places to eliminate her being there rather than they had information she was there.

I think it is logical.

Oct 4th the assumed last time BL was seen alive is 10:30pm

Oct 6th SY says, ""This evening we will be shutting down the command post. We believe we have done all we can regarding geographic searches and will continue tracking leads as we get them or develop additional information."

Oct 10th LE is looking for Jersey
Oct 10th LE is investigating the Festival Foods tape (we learn about this when the story breaks on the 12th)

Oct 15th Jersey is in custody

Oct 17th FBI cadaver dog gets a hit inside the home on Lister
Oct 17th DB's timeline changes from 10:30pm to 6:45pm

Oct 19th LE executes the SW

Oct 27th LE searches the pond behind Festival Foods

I don't think anybody is going to convince me that it was a random search. Way back on Oct 6th SY says they are done with geographic searches. If that pond was searched just because it was a body of water near the home, it would have been done before Oct 6th.

If you follow the timeline, you can see how the investigation may have been changing based on what LE was learning. It's logical. LE is not in the habit of randomly doing stuff just for the sake of it. You can almost see the train of thought. I do think it's logical to surmise that on Oct. 27th LE entertained the idea that BL could have been deceased before DB and PN left for Festival Foods, otherwise, there is no logical explanation for why they searched that pond.

 

[norest4thewicked]

I think it is logical.

Oct 4th the assumed last time BL was seen alive is 10:30pm

Oct 6th SY says, ""This evening we will be shutting down the command post. We believe we have done all we can regarding geographic searches and will continue tracking leads as we get them or develop additional information."

Oct 10th LE is looking for Jersey
Oct 10th LE is investigating the Festival Foods tape (we learn about this when the story breaks on the 12th)

Oct 15th Jersey is in custody

Oct 17th FBI cadaver dog gets a hit inside the home on Lister

Oct 17th DB's timeline changes from 10:30pm to 6:45pm

Oct 19th LE executes the SW

Oct 27th LE searches the pond behind Festival foods

I don't think anybody is going to convince me that it was a random search. Way back on Oct 6th SY says they are done with geographic searches. If that pond was searched just because it was a body of water near the home, it would have been done before Oct 6th.

If you follow the timeline, you can see how the investigation may have been changing based on what LE was learning. It's logical. LE is not in the habit of randomly doing stuff just for the sake of it. You can almost see the train of thought. I do think it's logical to surmise that on Oct. 27th LE entertained the idea that BL could have been deceased before DB and PN left for Festival Foods, otherwise, there is no logical explanation for why they searched that pond.

:goodpost:

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I think it is logical.

Oct 4th the assumed last time BL was seen alive is 10:30pm

Oct 6th SY says, ""This evening we will be shutting down the command post. We believe we have done all we can regarding geographic searches and will continue tracking leads as we get them or develop additional information."

Oct 10th LE is looking for Jersey
Oct 10th LE is investigating the Festival Foods tape (we learn about this when the story breaks on the 12th)

Oct 15th Jersey is in custody

Oct 17th FBI cadaver dog gets a hit inside the home on Lister

Oct 17th DB's timeline changes from 10:30pm to 6:45pm

Oct 19th LE executes the SW

Oct 27th LE searches the pond behind Festival foods

I don't think anybody is going to convince me that it was a random search. Way back on Oct 6th SY says they are done with geographic searches. If that pond was searched just because it was a body of water near the home, it would have been done before Oct 6th.

If you follow the timeline, you can see how the investigation may have been changing based on what LE was learning. It's logical. LE is not in the habit of randomly doing stuff just for the sake of it. You can almost see the train of thought.

Sorry. I'm still not following you. If there is some kind of connection to the timeline why the delay of weeks before this search? Your example has the search warrant on the 19th with the search of the pond on the 27th. Why the big delay in searching the pond?

 

[hambirg]

Sorry. I'm still not following you. If there is some kind of connection to the timeline why the delay of weeks before this search? Your example has the search warrant on the 19th with the search of the pond on the 27th. Why the big delay in searching the pond?

Idk. . maybe waiting for test results or any other information that may have come out of the search on Oct 19th. Personally, I think they were probably retracing their steps. . .going over interviews, negotiating the re-interviewing of the boys, etc.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

SY said they would follow up on any tips, I figure they got a tip from someone that they should search the pond, although it should be an obvious place to search anyway. They also searched a well but as far as we know no one said they saw DB or JI at the well. when tips come in they should follow them up.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Idk. . maybe waiting for test results or any other information that may have come out of the search on Oct 19th. Personally, I think they were probably retracing their steps. . .going over interviews, negotiating the re-interviewing of the boys, etc.

I would hope that LE was doing everything possible at that point. But I don't believe that they were searching that pond because they thought that Lisa was missing from the house at an earlier time than stated by JI/DB.

 

[hambirg]

SY said they would follow up on any tips, I figure they got a tip from someone that they should search the pond, although it should be an obvious place to search anyway. They also searched a well but as far as we know no one said they saw DB or JI at the well. when tips come in they should follow them up.

LE was searching the well before Jersey was taken into custody and after we found out they were looking for him. They obviously thought, at the time, that he might be responsible. Once they had him in custody there were no more abandon house searches and they went right back to the house on Lister. I thinks it's telling.

If it was a tip that caused that search, what was it? Did somebody see something? That's even more damning.

 

[norest4thewicked]

There really can't be any comparison to what LE thought in the first days as to what they thought after (say) 2-3 weeks. I'm sure that they know even more than that now. That's why they want to interview parents separately. It's pretty simple to me. LE has absolutely NO ulterior motives on wanting to bring Lisa home. The parents? Their guilt is loud and clear to me and with each passing day that they don't help LE with what they want to know, it screams even louder.