Where is Madeleine? Where is she?

[Jeana (DP)]

Yes.


Yes.



They could have used a hose, (catheter tubing) long enough to slide deep into the drain. She was very small, a couple plastic bag over the top of the insertion sight could keep any blood from splattering. Easy clean up, a couple showers and any trace of blood in the pipes would be swept away. .

They could have done that anyway, but I think she was stored in a cool dry place...

Luminol could still pick up the blood even if a tube was run down the drain, right? Do you have a theory on a motive? Any reason why they'd go to such lengths simply to murder a three-year old?

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

Actually that statement came from someone out of the Mirror forum where they 'heard' it from somewhere else (I know because I originally posted it here). If anybody has a link to where Kate actually said it I want to read it.

Fair enough, maybe she wasn't around dead bodies, more gossip I guess.

 

[Brefie]

As opposed to accidentally killing her? Why would it be different. If you have ever watched a mortician, bleeding a body out is very quite simple. It is takes is a small catheter inserted into a major artery. The catheter has a hose on it that leads to a drain. There is no splatter, it's very clean. No more mess than drawing blood for lab work.

Well, I don't actually believe they killed her at all, that's why I believe they have not been arrested.

I had no idea your theory included a such a 'clean' procedure...I had imagined a bathtub full of blood.

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

Luminol could still pick up the blood even if a tube was run down the drain, right? Do you have a theory on a motive? Any reason why they'd go to such lengths simply to murder a three-year old?

Depends on how far they looked. You wouldn't normally be able to see past the "Catch drain", (the "s" shape part of the drain which purpose is to keep sewer gasses from coming back up the drain) without taking the drain apart.

Of course there are hundreds of rumors, so what can you believe right? But I seriously think there was a major problem with the child. This oppenion is based on video and pictures I have seen of her. They wanted a perfect family, and once the twins got old enough to rule out any neurological developmental disorders, (Which I believe Maddie had based on my observations, and reinforced by hearsay) they decided to rid themselves of their problem child. Perfect, beautiful family of 4. A boy and a girl as cute as buttons. The perfect amount for the dinner table.

They chose to go out of the country to create an "Aruba" situation. Hoping the local government would do anything in their power to keep it quite to avoid a tourism nightmare.

I could go on for hours, but I can tell you as a part time GP, Dr. Kate would have seen her fair share of ASD kids, and known where they were headed if Maddie was in fact ASD or developmentally delayed. I don't think they were willing to do what it takes to get Maddie the help she needed to halfway function (or maybe never) in society.

 

[JanetElaine]

Depends on how far they looked. You wouldn't normally be able to see past the "Catch drain", (the "s" shape part of the drain which purpose is to keep sewer gasses from coming back up the drain) without taking the drain apart.

Of course there are hundreds of rumors, so what can you believe right? But I seriously think there was a major problem with the child. This oppenion is based on video and pictures I have seen of her. They wanted a perfect family, and once the twins got old enough to rule out any neurological developmental disorders, (Which I believe Maddie had based on my observations, and reinforced by hearsay) they decided to rid themselves of their problem child. Perfect, beautiful family of 4. A boy and a girl as cute as buttons. The perfect amount for the dinner table.

They chose to go out of the country to create an "Aruba" situation. Hoping the local government would do anything in their power to keep it quite to avoid a tourism nightmare.

I could go on for hours, but I can tell you as a part time GP, Dr. Kate would have seen her fair share of ASD kids, and known where they were headed if Maddie was in fact ASD or developmentally delayed. I don't think they were willing to do what it takes to get Maddie the help she needed to halfway function (or maybe never) in society.

Why did they bring all their friends with them? If it was to more easily create an alibi, they would have done a better job at it, since there is so much controversy about what actually happened that night in the restaurant. Interestedwoman, that's one far-fetched theory right there and I'm not buying it, but it was interesting nonetheless!

 

[sleuthin4fun]

Why did they bring all their friends with them? If it was to more easily create an alibi, they would have done a better job at it, since there is so much controversy about what actually happened that night in the restaurant. Interestedwoman, that's one far-fetched theory right there and I'm not buying it, but it was interesting nonetheless!

Janet,
Yes I would say intersting. Interstedwoman, I have a very strong stomach but that theory makes me sick.

 

[meowy]

Oh my gosh.. I think I'll take a break from the Maddie forum, I wish I hadn't read this thread. Far too much gory precise detail for a theory. I'm all for everyone having theories and ideas so don't get me wrong.. I'm in no way dissing your opinions!

But really, a new thread with a warning in the title would have saved me from barfing up a really great lunch.

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

Why did they bring all their friends with them? If it was to more easily create an alibi, they would have done a better job at it, since there is so much controversy about what actually happened that night in the restaurant. Interestedwoman, that's one far-fetched theory right there and I'm not buying it, but it was interesting nonetheless!

As a smoke screen. Sorry if I grossed you folks out :silenced:

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Depends on how far they looked. You wouldn't normally be able to see past the "Catch drain", (the "s" shape part of the drain which purpose is to keep sewer gasses from coming back up the drain) without taking the drain apart.

Of course there are hundreds of rumors, so what can you believe right? But I seriously think there was a major problem with the child. This oppenion is based on video and pictures I have seen of her. They wanted a perfect family, and once the twins got old enough to rule out any neurological developmental disorders, (Which I believe Maddie had based on my observations, and reinforced by hearsay) they decided to rid themselves of their problem child. Perfect, beautiful family of 4. A boy and a girl as cute as buttons. The perfect amount for the dinner table.

They chose to go out of the country to create an "Aruba" situation. Hoping the local government would do anything in their power to keep it quite to avoid a tourism nightmare.

I could go on for hours, but I can tell you as a part time GP, Dr. Kate would have seen her fair share of ASD kids, and known where they were headed if Maddie was in fact ASD or developmentally delayed. I don't think they were willing to do what it takes to get Maddie the help she needed to halfway function (or maybe never) in society.

Thanks very much!! Very interesting theory. I look forward to reading more from you.

 

[JanetElaine]

As a smoke screen. Sorry if I grossed you folks out :silenced:

I have to clarify this.... the reason I'm 'not buying it' is because it's too much work to get rid of a 3 year old. They could have done all of this at home. Throw a party as a smoke screen. Invite everyone and their brother, also friends of friends of friends. Oops, one of them must have took her. Or with all of the crowd, the stranger snuck in. Hey, I've felt like the inventor of far-fetched at times so I really appreciate your theory.... just still not buying it, lol.

 

[Pocono Sleuther]

Where do you think they kept the body before permanently burying it? I do believe she's near that church. And I do believe they killed her either accidently or in a rage. I really think Kate snapped just as Patsy Ramsey did.

 

[christine2448]

Depends on how far they looked. You wouldn't normally be able to see past the "Catch drain", (the "s" shape part of the drain which purpose is to keep sewer gasses from coming back up the drain) without taking the drain apart.

Of course there are hundreds of rumors, so what can you believe right? But I seriously think there was a major problem with the child. This oppenion is based on video and pictures I have seen of her. They wanted a perfect family, and once the twins got old enough to rule out any neurological developmental disorders, (Which I believe Maddie had based on my observations, and reinforced by hearsay) they decided to rid themselves of their problem child. Perfect, beautiful family of 4. A boy and a girl as cute as buttons. The perfect amount for the dinner table.

They chose to go out of the country to create an "Aruba" situation. Hoping the local government would do anything in their power to keep it quite to avoid a tourism nightmare.

I could go on for hours, but I can tell you as a part time GP, Dr. Kate would have seen her fair share of ASD kids, and known where they were headed if Maddie was in fact ASD or developmentally delayed. I don't think they were willing to do what it takes to get Maddie the help she needed to halfway function (or maybe never) in society.

Always Interesting, Interested. Much to think about.

 

[CaliKid]

No, they don't. They do prefer that Catholics are buried, but cremation is now okay, too. Any cemetery is ok if you are Catholic. I know many Catholics who are buried ion our city cemetery here and it's just a city cemetery and multi-denominational.

Sorry it took so long to get back.

I think a cemetary is hallowed ground. What I would consider non-hallowed ground would be to bury someone in the woods, a cave or out in the open under rocks. That's why I was asking- would good Catholics ever feel comfortable leaving a family member just dumped somewhere?

 

[CaliKid]

I think we really need to call in the thoughts about the church yard. Cali - this is really your idea, do you want to call it in? I will call it in if I can't get another taker. I prefer not to be the one because I am hard of hearing and chances are they will not speak English and I will never be able to communicate with them.

Do you think PLE or even the British police have an email address I could write to? Is it on findmadeleine? I'll go look!

Sorry for dropping the ball, Salem. Good for you for mailing. Pat yourself on the back for a job well done.

 

[philamena]

I'm not ready to crucify these parents until it's proven that Madeliene is indeed dead.
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I'm going to sit and wait until it's proven this child really is dead.

Ditto!

 

[Brefie]

Sorry it took so long to get back.

I think a cemetary is hallowed ground. What I would consider non-hallowed ground would be to bury someone in the woods, a cave or out in the open under rocks. That's why I was asking- would good Catholics ever feel comfortable leaving a family member just dumped somewhere?

Good Catholics - or 'good anyone' would not murder their daughter. I think it's safe to assume that for most murderers, usual religious procedure for the passed is out the window.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Good Catholics - or 'good anyone' would not murder their daughter. I think it's safe to assume that for most murderers, usual religious procedure for the passed is out the window.

Ain't that the truth!

 

[Salem]

Good Catholics - or 'good anyone' would not murder their daughter. I think it's safe to assume that for most murderers, usual religious procedure for the passed is out the window.

Normally I would agree with this statement. However if the death was an accident and the parents were stunned and shocked at what happened, I think they would revert back to some level of caring about Maddie. I would however concede that any "level of caring" would be contaminated with their perceived need to cover their a$$e$$.

The saddest thing about this situation, if it is true that the McCanns harmed their daughter, is that they would have fared so much better in the legal system, the media, and with the world at large if they would have admitted what happened and how it happened.

Probably they would have been looking at manslaughter charges. Now, I think they are looking at manslaughter (and possibly murder), interference with justice, interference with a criminal investigation, hiding the body, and on a very GRAND scale, fraud.

They should have stepped forward and stopped the media circus immediately.......

My opinions only,

Salem

 

[Brefie]

Normally I would agree with this statement. However if the death was an accident and the parents were stunned and shocked at what happened, I think they would revert back to some level of caring about Maddie. I would however concede that any "level of caring" would be contaminated with their perceived need to cover their a$$e$$.

The saddest thing about this situation, if it is true that the McCanns harmed their daughter, is that they would have fared so much better in the legal system, the media, and with the world at large if they would have admitted what happened and how it happened.

Probably they would have been looking at manslaughter charges. Now, I think they are looking at manslaughter (and possibly murder), interference with justice, interference with a criminal investigation, hiding the body, and on a very GRAND scale, fraud.

They should have stepped forward and stopped the media circus immediately.......

My opinions only,

Salem

I hear ya......big old 'IFs' though. I would agree that some religion MAY come into it, if they killed her by accident. They would probably want what they think is 'right' and 'good' by God for their daughter.

I don't believe they did, just yet. I do disagree to much of what is written here just because I think much of what we are going on is false information. BUT, like I said on another thread, if they are proved to be guilty, I will be screaming from a height for the most harsh of punishment, least of all because they campaigned for sympathy from silly folks such as myself.

It all remains to be seen.

 

[christine2448]

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