Where was she putting Caylee!!!!???

[Zoe Bogart]

Too hot even at night? KC and other have often said Caylee was "passed out." It was probably the heat + the drugs that made her vomit.

She was in the trunk. There is a stain. There is DNA. There was human decomp. These tests are being triple checked.

I live in south Louisiana, and yes, absolutely, in the summer, it would be too damned hot to survive in a trunk even at night. June is HOT. The heat can be stifling. If there's a daytime temperature of 95°-100° and a whopping 80%-100% humidity as we coastal Southerners normally have, that nighttime temp would probably not go much below 80°, if that low. We've have many children, adults, and animals die in hot cars.

So I don't think the trunk was the usual babysitter, neither was the inside of the car. Maybe occasionally at night, but ...... Either she died as a result of being tossed into the trunk the first, second, third time, or she was only put into it after she died.

So if we eliminate the vacant apartment (security codes/cameras) and the car (too hot to survive), I would think some sort of unused storage building (barn, shed, etc) on vacant property would be a choice. Let's not forget, this had to have been going on for a very long time. So we need a longterm location, or more than one.

Also, why aren't we hearing the friends and family asking these questions, too? Yes, they inquired during June and July where Caylee was, but now that the evidence points to the nanny being bogus, why aren't the friends and family posing these questions, too? If they are, I'd love to hear their theories.

So we are looking at TWO pertinent questions:

1) Where was she leaving Caylee for more than two years on a daily basis?

2) Was Caylee killed before being put into the trunk or did she die there? (Two part question)

 

[Zoe Bogart]

Vomit indicates being alive. Decomp indicates death. Dead people don't vomit. And not likely that dead people drool or leak fluid from their nose unless placed face down and even then I'm not sure anything would come out. Do you think she put her in the trunk face down?

They FBI found DNA from the fluid of the mouth and nose in the trunk that matches Caylee. Most likely, this is from vomit. If drugged and uncon during vomit, you would most likely die.

It's also possible Cayle drowned, died and was put in the trunk. It would explain fluids and chloroform from the pool reaction.

But I think she was drugged. One of the videos state they're very close to proving she was searching for Chloroform before the 15th.

Read about death and bodily fluids here (not for the faint of heart):

http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Death/Stages.html

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[Pink Panther]

I live in south Louisiana, and yes, absolutely, in the summer, it would be too damned hot to survive in a trunk even at night. June is HOT. The heat can be stifling. If there's a daytime temperature of 95°-100° and a whopping 80%-100% humidity as we coastal Southerners normally have, that nighttime temp would probably not go much below 80°, if that low. We've have many children, adults, and animals die in hot cars.

So I don't think the trunk was the usual babysitter, neither was the inside of the car. Maybe occasionally at night, but ...... Either she died as a result of being tossed into the trunk the first, second, third time, or she was only put into it after she died.

So if we eliminate the vacant apartment (security codes/cameras) and the car (too hot to survive), I would think some sort of unused storage building (barn, shed, etc) on vacant property would be a choice. Let's not forget, this had to have been going on for a very long time. So we need a longterm location, or more than one.

Also, why aren't we hearing the friends and family asking these questions, too? Yes, they inquired during June and July where Caylee was, but now that the evidence points to the nanny being bogus, why aren't the friends and family posing these questions, too? If they are, I'd love to hear their theories.

So we are looking at TWO pertinent questions:

1) Where was she leaving Caylee for more than two years on a daily basis?

2) Was Caylee killed before being put into the trunk or did she die there? (Two part question)

I'm confused as to why you are concluding that KC was putting Caylee somewhere for the entire two-year period. Do you mean during the day? Most other nights - excluding the end of May and early June, Caylee seems to be accounted for - she was at the Anthony's.

 

[tiffertots]

They FBI found DNA from the fluid of the mouth and nose in the trunk that matches Caylee.

where did you find this info at...do you have a link??

 

[sylviesays]

Vomit indicates being alive. Decomp indicates death. Dead people don't vomit. And not likely that dead people drool or leak fluid from their nose unless placed face down and even then I'm not sure anything would come out. Do you think she put her in the trunk face down?

They FBI found DNA from the fluid of the mouth and nose in the trunk that matches Caylee. Most likely, this is from vomit. If drugged and uncon during vomit, you would most likely die.

It's also possible Cayle drowned, died and was put in the trunk. It would explain fluids and chloroform from the pool reaction.

But I think she was drugged. One of the videos state they're very close to proving she was searching for Chloroform before the 15th.

Have you ever seen a dead body? My grandfather died in front of me.. he was in his bedroom, and he laid there until the people from the mortuary came and picked him up. My understanding is that the muscles relax.. so anything in the bowels, bladder, mouth,... would be released. I didn't notice any release of fluids except for saliva (I'm assuming) in his mouth. Not gushing, but noticeable.. but then, it had just happened and he was only there for a couple of hours maybe before his body was removed. But the conditions his body were in (weather, temp, not being locked in a trunk, etc) were different from what Caylee would have probably been in. So her rate of decomp was probably a much quicker process.

*edited to add that my grandfather was laying on his back, with his head turned to the side. He was not face down, and drool was on the pillow beneath him.

 

[suzet]

I am still thinking KC was not putting Caylee anywhere. During the day, Caylee was with KC, most likely most days since the day she was born. At night, Caylee was with Cindy. I think Cindy or Ricardo is mistaken about the one night, Caylee was either at Cindy's or Ricardo's. These people are all about getting their dates mixed up anyway.

I think KC might have put Caylee to sleep at Cindy's prior to the 15th and maybe snuck out at night. Or KC and Caylee could have stayed at a cheap motel (or not so cheap depending on how much stolen money she had at the time). Maybe KC and Caylee stayed in a value resort at Disney World, since she did mention the nanny did stay the weekend at Disney at one time (truth between the lies?).

I guess I just don't think KC put Caylee anywhere except with herself, Cindy, or what ever apartment KC happened to be crashing at while Caylee was still alive. I guess I just don't see any unaccounted for nights that Caylee was on her own any where.

 

[kiki the parrot]

Quote: It's also possible Caylee drowned, died and was put in the trunk.AGREE Caylee placed in trunk after presumably drowning in pool. (We don't know exactly how long after the fact but it's even possible in the mayhem that she was assumed beyond revival or presumed dead prior to actual time of death which could explain release of mouth fluids--but personally I think it wasn't until 6/18). It was true chloroform, but used later strictly to remove odor and/or dna (web search dates if we can learn these will reveal when so therefore also narrow down by whom).

Quote: I feel that poor baby was dead in the trunk until the day she abandoned her car YES As morbid as this sounds I believe she drove around with her child's remains in that trunk because psychologically or emotionally there was for her some "comfort level" (ie it felt like the "safest place for avoiding discovery) up to just prior to abandoning the car. She had borrowed Amy's (or Tony's) cars when it was possible but I believe she was driving Pontiac periodically up to 6/27 as she could not abandon car with Caylee still inside. Fear of exposure from the grisly odor and/or gasoline situation eventually forced her to dispose of her daughter's remains (wincing). Whether paranoid-panic-stricken-unfit-mother-in-major-denial at best, or socio-borderline-personality-disorder at worst, this had to be by this point a gruesome task (wincing).

 

[kiki the parrot]

Quote: I am still thinking KC was not putting Caylee anywhere. During the day, Caylee was with KC, most likely most days since the day she was born. At night, Caylee was with Cindy. I think Cindy or Ricardo is mistaken about the one night, Caylee was either at Cindy's or Ricardo's. These people are all about getting their dates mixed up anyway. I think KC might have put Caylee to sleep at Cindy's prior to the 15th and maybe snuck out at night. ...I guess I just don't think KC put Caylee anywhere except with herself, Cindy, or what ever apartment KC happened to be crashing at while Caylee was still alive. I guess I just don't see any unaccounted for nights that Caylee was on her own
I'M WITH YOU 100% I believe even ZG was invented strictly to appease her mother CA, rather than admit she was schlepping poor Caylee to all these parties, letting her sleep in guys' beds (OMG CA would have had a fit). Despite what Casey told bf her mom CA didn't HAVE to specifically call and make her bring Caylee home the night in question--Casey just KNEW her mom expected Caylee to sleep at home in her bed so quietly dropped her there during the wee hours to avoid conflict, and slipped back into boytoy's bed...ugh... whole thing sickening and heartbreaking

 

[shannon718]

This is really getting to me now. After hearing CA's interview and knowing Ricardo's.. she obviously took Caylee somewhere and "dropped her off" CA would have remembered going to sleep at night and then waking up and Caylee was there when she wasn't the night before and she didn't!!! If there was an overnight babysitter they would have come forward so they wouldn't have ended up in jail! I am not sure she was putting her in the trunk though, if she woke up she would be crying loud. It would have to be somewhere she couldn't be heard, like a storage unit I am going to puke!! Where else do you all think she could have been putting her? I bet the police already know!

I don't really take any of Cindy's "facts" and or "memories" seriously at all . It is my opinion that she lies, in fact, that is where Casey learned to lie so much. I believe Ricardo over Cindy. 100%

 

[Spider]

For some that think Casey left the air running in the car for little Caylee...not possible. Not enough horsepower in her particular engine to run air unless the engine was running. That means her car would have had to be driven, not sitting idly for air to work. In a car such as hers, if a traffic light is *really long*, she could actually notice the air shutting down and only the fan blowing.

 

[kathyn2]

It would explain fluids and chloroform from the pool reaction

Chlorine and chloroform are not the same thing. Also, the chloroform that was in Casey's trunk was pure unadulterated chlorofrom and alot of it. It was not a cleaning product. It was not from the pool. This was talked about on NG show.

 

[pixarfreak]

Too hot even at night? KC and other have often said Caylee was "passed out." It was probably the heat + the drugs that made her vomit.

She was in the trunk. There is a stain. There is DNA. There was human decomp. These tests are being triple checked.

Yes, it is hot in Orlando, almost like 24/7. lots of pavement, ya know
yes she was in the trunk, after she died

 

[CaptLogic]

To me the main question is (like JG suggested) determining when and if Caylee was ever watched without Casey and Cindy.

LE has said that Cindy has not been initially cooperative about this because how mixed up and bias she is in believing Casey's lies. I mean listen to the interview of Cindy. I wouldn't even call that cooperative. I'd call it misleading.

So far the only time that sticks out, and I'm unsure of the details is the night Casey says she takes Calyee home from Ricardos really late at night. Can Cindy please just come out and state all the nights she can remember demanding Calyee be returned home at night? Or if she remembers ever waking up and Caylee was maybe getting home late and woke up at the Anthony house with Caylee but without Casey?

If this is not the case, and Calyee indeed was left overnight somewhere without Cindy around nor Casey, then this would be significant. But then again if there was an actual nanny, you would think there would be many of these occasions. Not to mention a facebook, myspace, email, home phone, or cell phone for her.

This would mean that Casey was putting Caylee at the Anthony home all the time, or staying over with her at Ricardos, or the notion of the trunk babysitter which has already been discussed in length on another thread.

I think Casey made up Zanny the Nanny from spending time with with her friend Annie and Caylee. But Annie may never have watched Caylee as a nanny. Then after the accident on the 16th, she thought to use her lies of a fake Zanny -> latino nanny version -> into a real ZG by searching on the internet. So now she'll be sued for this mistake.

If there is testimony from Annie that there was indeed a time where they joked and Casey made known to her that she or Caylee called Annie "Zanny" or "Nanny" then this would wholey debunk the ZG stuff and might be withheld for a potential murder GJ.

LE would still be holding out for a property motive for murder or tripple checking the evidence to determine accident vs. pre-mediation.

 

[karenmamo]

In all respects and everyones thoughts of where the child was left - myself, as a single mother of two girls (both grown 19 and 17) CAN'T IMAGINE NOT having them as my focal points - I knew where they were 24/7 and still do -when I think of what Casey has done - what kind of person does it take to do this? Honestly - a child - someone that looks up to you with love and adoration, with total trust

Now, if Caylee was just dropped off somewhere she would have said something to Cindy or George and they would have taken Caylee right then and there - so the only way Casey could have dropped her off anywhere, or put her in the car or an empty apt or something like that, the child would have had to be drugged, period - children don't sleep all through the night, not always - so someone would have heard a crying child

Caylee, being so young wouldn't be able to convey what was happening to her, she wouldn't understand if she was drugged, she would just go to sleep and then wake up and maybe Casey was there at that time

But for the life of me what person does this kind of stuff -honestly! People don't just do this stuff, do they???? It's beyond comprehension to me

I am remembering Cindy's LE interview. She commented about Caylee waking in the night and crying. Anyone else remember? The little one did seem to have sleep issues.

 

[karenmamo]

Based on the recent evidence, here is my best theory.

There is no third party nanny. Caylee was only ever watched by Casey, or Cindy.

Casey was using her trunk as a babysitter, possibly using Zanax. When should couldn't get any Zanax (no money maybe), she looked up Chloroform on the computer. Probably the week after her Mother ended her vacation and she had to go back watching Caylee. By this time, Casey was with Tony and wanted to continue going to the club and managing the shot girls.

So, Caylee was drugged and put in the trunk. I believe that due to the change to Chloroform after maybe having previous used Xanax, or that casey didn't know how much probably made the child vomit while unconscious and she died from asphyxiation.

The stain was from vomit. They now know how she was laying in the trunk.

How did you learn the stain was vomit? I musta missed something.

 

[karenmamo]

So far, I can say this makes a little sense. The position of the body combined with the stain. Except the Xanex, I think that was Mommy's drug, having been known to party on it myself, back in the day. And with the exception oif the name Zanny, we really don't know she ever drugged Caylee at all. But I am pretty sure Mommy used it a bunch!

However the trunk could never have been the sitter, it's too damn hot here in florida, she wouldve passed long ago.[/QUOTE

How many nights are we talking about here?
Help please?

 

[karenmamo]

Ummm, yeah, even at night in a locked trunk. Florida coasts are still 75-80 degrees at night let alone inland like Orlando. Perhaps it happened only one time, that time being the last. But over and over in Florida heat and humidity, no. Heck, I lived in Nashivlle, there are even heated nights in the summer there. And I have 4 kids I say all the time time they are "passed out" after a long day of playing. I have never meant I fed them Xanex.

How many nights did Casey have to find a place for Caylee?
Help, please......................???

 

[angelmom]

I'm trying to wrap my head around all the new evidence, so please bear with me. I haven't seen this posted yet with regards to the new docs so...

Okay so we know that Ricardo states that on May 31st, Casey and Caylee sleepover at his apartment. He wakes up the next morning and Casey is there but NO Caylee. Casey tells him that Cindy called in the middle of the night wanting her to bring Caylee home. Sounded believable to me - knowing how protective Cindy seems to be over Caylee.

BUT today in Cindy's recorded interview, she states that this never occurred. She seems quite sure of this. And it does seem like something you would proabably remember - calling your daughter in the middle of the night to bring your granddaughter home. For this reason, I believe her.

Which leaves one to wonder.....where WAS Caylee then? So here on this thread I've seen alot of speculation about where she could have been taking Caylee....or putting Caylee....or whether any of it is true to begin with, or whether Cindy is lying. I have my own theory which doesn't fit into any of the above. I can hardly bring myself to think this, much less type it out. But I think you'll get the idea.

The thought first entered my mind after hearing Cindy's interview. But after seeing what types of searches have been done on Casey's computer (sex, escorts, etc.) as well as something PotatoHead posted in another thread (sorry I can't reference it specifically because my brain is fried)........I believe that Casey could have been passing Caylee off to someone else. I don't want to get too detailed or whatever....but someone, a very, very bad bad bad man. Someone who would do unspeakable things to Caylee, and perhaps Casey was paid for this? Could this explain where Caylee is now, and why Casey will not tell? Becuase if she tells where Caylee is.....she goes to jail period (if what I am thinking is true). BUT if she doesn't tell where Caylee is, then perhaps she could get found not guilty if there isn't evidence. I'm just thinking out loud here. That is assuming Caylee could still be alive. Okay so maybe she actually isn't alive....(which I believe she is NOT alive). In that case, maybe something horrible happened on one of these "exchanges", possibly involving chloroform that someone else used to knock Caylee out for their own reasons (you get my meaning?).

I hope I haven't just totally confused anyone. I'm confused myself. It's 5am here - my mind is reeling with all the information I've read through/watched. And there are still so many pieces of the puzzle missing. Please let me know your thoughts on this - punch holes in my theory if you can (please do, I don't want to be right!!!).

Unfortunately I don't think this theory is too "out there" to be believable. After the Brooke Bennett case I don't think I'll ever say "impossible" ever again.

However, the one thing that comforts me and makes me think this is NOT the case is Caylee's great-grandma's interview telling what a sweet and happy child Caylee always was PLUS the video of her cuddling with her GGF. None of KC's various and sundry boyfriends mention Caylee being shy or reticent with them, and I just cannot imagine a toddler who is sexually abused being comfortable or happy in all of those situations. Caylee just seems very happy and normal, even in the video of what I assume to be the last hours of her life.

Also, Caylee wasn't being left for 2 years. Remember, she did have some regular babysitters. The Grund family watched her quite a bit, as did KC's friend Annie (the first 8 months IIRC????). So I think the part about leaving her is more recent. But I'm with you in that it's driving me NUTS trying to figure out where she was putting her those few nights or times when she claimed Caylee was with the nanny to her parents and with her parents to her friends but before she was actually missing.

How many days is that really???

Can we narrow it down?

 

[karenmamo]

I don't think she was using the apt at Sawgrass because it was too visible, BUT I think you're onto something that could also answer the question that's been driving me insane, which is WHERE HAS KC BEEN SPENDING HER DAYS FOR THE LAST 24 - 30 MONTHS when she was allegedly working and/or leaving Caylee with a sitter?

There's no way she's been sitting in her parked car in some parking lot for 2 years, baking in the heat, reading a book, with an active toddler in the back seat. That would be hell, especially for someone like KC who can't even tolerate the inconvenience of having a job.

Besides that, her car with that black vinyl/leather br@ on the front of it, would be noticed eventually. And she hasn't spent 2 years wandering the malls every day with a baby, or clerks would have come forward.

So how is it that she's managed to leave home with or without Caylee for 2 years and simply vanish?

I think YOU hit on the answer. She's found a secluded house, mobile home, or even a camper in the woods that she could break into--or perhaps convince an absentee owner to let her "take care of"--or a gullible male realtor to let her use.

What do you think? Oh and sorry for the caps. I was excited. :clap:

I think you have the same Q many of us have had for a couple of months now.
No one has come up with a plausible theory of how she spent her days. Strange, isn't it?
When did the grandparents stop watching Caylee?

 

[CaptLogic]

How did you learn the stain was vomit? I musta missed something.

I was going by the DNA analysis. It's possible it was just decomp fluids after reading more about decomp process.