Whitney Houston passed away on 2/11/12 - Part 1

[Cubby]

I don't have personal experience being addicted to substances so I might not know what I am talking about, but I always wonder how free a person is to make choices with a monkey on his or her back, particularly when there is no recent effective treatment program experience under the person's belt.

To me, the point of choice that comes closet to being free might be the initial decision to use a substance, which is why I hope we continue to educate, educate, educate, and to help those most vulnerable to needing a chemical crutch find healthier ways to cope.

The choice, imo, is whether or not to seek treatment. I don't follow enough celebrity news/gossip to know if Whitney ever sought treatment or not.

Deep down addicts know they have a problem, whether they are ready to admit it and do something about it or not, they know. The lack of choice occurs after picking up the first drink, or after starting using the substance of their addiction. An addict has no control once under the influence. They do have a choice when they choose to become intoxicated with that first drink, or that first pill popped, joint smoked, or something shot up. Does that make sense?

I also think succesful recovery has to do with how much support the person receiving treatment, or in recovery has. I do imagine for celebs, it would be very hard, but not impossible, to remove themself from the situations leading to their need to use. Not an excuse, but I can imagine the lure of being a celebrity as a type of addiction as well.

I really hoped she would have dropped out of sight, dropped out of the scene for a long time and only come back after she was in full recovery. Even if she dropped out of sight for a decade, she would have been able to make a full comeback. Sadly, she, like many, lost the battle of addiction- regardless of COD, imo.

 

[SyraKelly]

The grammy's are tonight right..

 

[mck16]

The grammy's are tonight right..

Yes. They are on FUSE in my area.

 

[charok]

so sorry to hear of whitney's passing..my heart breaks for her daughter, she is NOT taking this well. when i first heard of this yesterday, i was hoping it was not drug or alcohol related. autopsy is still underway, but reported that she had been drinking the night before, and combined w/ ( prescription pills/ xanax) is not a good combo( slipping into a stupor and slipping underwater?) such a preventable tragedy. im shocked by people saying she brought it on herself due to life style choices, drugs, ect. and not shedding a tear for her. sure i loved her music and in awe of her pure vocal talent. i was hoping for her comeback. again my heart breaks for bobbi kristina and i will be thinking and praying for her.

 

[charok]

The choice, imo, is whether or not to seek treatment. I don't follow enough celebrity news/gossip to know if Whitney ever sought treatment or not.

Deep down addicts know they have a problem, whether they are ready to admit it and do something about it or not, they know. The lack of choice occurs after picking up the first drink, or after starting using the substance of their addiction. An addict has no control once under the influence. They do have a choice when they choose to become intoxicated with that first drink, or that first pill popped, joint smoked, or something shot up. Does that make sense?

I also think succesful recovery has to do with how much support the person receiving treatment, or in recovery has. I do imagine for celebs, it would be very hard, but not impossible, to remove themself from the situations leading to their need to use. Not an excuse, but I can imagine the lure of being a celebrity as a type of addiction as well.

I really hoped she would have dropped out of sight, dropped out of the scene for a long time and only come back after she was in full recovery. Even if she dropped out of sight for a decade, she would have been able to make a full comeback. Sadly, she, like many, lost the battle of addiction- regardless of COD, imo.

IIRC whitney had gone to rehab, and supposedly very recently last may. ( she may have had another trip before that)

 

[gngr~snap]

I'm glad that works for you.

But medication is NEEDED for many.

I agree but it should not be dispensed by MD's not family or friends honestly it is a felony (says so right there on the bottle) AND NOT ON TOP OF ALCOHOL ~ESPECIALLY to a person who is underage!

A totally irresponsible decision on someone's part given the circumstances.
moo

ETA: remember Anna Nicole Smith's son Daniel?
Someone gave him some of her medication and look what happened!
:whiteflag: err on accident or on purpose? I am still :fence: with that whole chit u a tion!

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Detroiters remember the legendary singer

Posted: 02/12/2012
Last Updated: 1 hour and 13 minutes ago
By: Smita Kalokhe

DETROIT (WXYZ) - On stage she was a musical giant, a legend for the times, but those who knew Whitney Houston say the singer was just as iconic in person.

“Whitney is so regal,” remembered Beth Griffith, who worked as Houston’s body double while filming the movie, “Sparkle” in Detroit last November. “She’s so grand, so iconic, and when she would walk into a room, in character or not, everybody would just stop to watch her"...

Read more: http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/detroit/detroiters-remember-the-legendary-singer#ixzz1mDYkzevq

 

[ziggy]

I was never a huge fan of Whitney; I think she set the trend for a singing style characterized by what I call over-wailing and vocal acrobatics and beyond belting. Granted I'm in the minority on that one. In addition, I get so tired of pampered celebrities spiraling down hill. Yes they are human, but they do not share the hard ships many of us do when we do not have financial security and are not given such talent and opportunity. I am so over celebs and their problems. I don't care what kind of talent they were given. If they piss it away, the heck with them.

 

[MsFacetious]

Sources say: Water found in her lungs... not sure how much.

http://www.tmz.com/2012/02/12/whitney-houston-cause-of-death-drowning/

 

[Cubby]

I was never a huge fan of Whitney; I think she set the trend for a singing style characterized by what I call over-wailing and vocal acrobatics and beyond belting.

BBM and respectfully snipped. I liked her early stuff. Eventually, many of us who were teens in the 80's became tired of her stuff. We used to jokingly sing, "Don't my songs all sound the same?" to the tune of "Didn't We Almost Have It All" - every time it came on the radio. She had a beautiful voice, but I think after the first few hits, her songs really did all sound the same. There wasn't much diversity in her type of music, at least those that were hits, or maybe that was the musical style of the times.

 

[katydid23]

Sources say: Water found in her lungs... not sure how much.

http://www.tmz.com/2012/02/12/whitney-houston-cause-of-death-drowning/

wow. You have to be pretty high/incapacitated to slip under water in the tub and not be able to react in time to prevent drowning. :rose:

 

[Columbo]

They may have become closer but in 2008 when Bobbi 15 allegedly attempted to stab her mother and then tried to commit suicide by cutting her wrists. She was admitted to a psychiatric hospital here in Atlanta for treatment. Whitney checked her out 24 hours later.
In May2011 Bobbi Kristina and her friends were been cited for underage drinking the friends were also cited for possesing a gun. Those who got citations will have to go to court. This girl is very troubled!

Bobby and Whitney lived in Alpharetta and in Roswell GA. Gossip is Gossip but the PD in those jurisdictions could tell you some stories! Of course "Being Bobby Brown" and being a celebrity in town... much of it didn't make headline news. That couple had frequent visits for domestic issues... of course it was handled with out involving the media. Being in the medical profession and having contact with various law enforcement there was always a story!!!
:innocent: I'm not bashing anyone here. JUST very concerned for Bobbi Kristina IMO this will "make her or break her"
I would hope that her aunt and or grandmother could help her but being a teenager she may be less impressionable than a preteen would be.
The generation gap may prove to be a problem at this point.

Whitney had a religious upbringing. I wonder if she took her daughter to church as much as she went as a young girl? It breaks my ♥ to think she was raised in an environment of drugs and domestic violence. Bobbi Kristina's "normal family life" was probably much different than Whitney's.
:twocents:

It is rumored Bobbi Kristina was to get her own reality show as well. BUT ya know how that goes!

http://www.ajc.com/news/north-fulton/cop-bobbi-kristina-cited-940592.html

^^^This may be hogwash but I did hear it mentioned on the news at the time.
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...stons-daughter-snorting-cocaine-caught-camera

A few years ago there was a picture of Bobbi Kristina in a tabloid, using drugs with some friends. I believe they were snorting coke. I hope it was just a one-time experimentation thing, but from what you say it sounds like the girl needs help. No wonder....I'm sure she observed her parents doing all kinds of drugs and acting very scary when she was just a youngster. Poor thing, I hope she gets on the right track.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I agree but it should not be dispensed by MD's not family or friends honestly it is a felony (says so right there on the bottle) AND NOT ON TOP OF ALCOHOL ~ESPECIALLY to a person who is underage!

A totally irresponsible decision on someone's part given the circumstances.
moo

ETA: remember Anna Nicole Smith's son Daniel?
Someone gave him some of her medication and look what happened!
:whiteflag: err on accident or on purpose? I am still :fence: with that whole chit u a tion!

I agree.

I was merely responding to a post about anxiety in general. I was not speaking about anyone in particular.

 

[Cubby]

wow. You have to be pretty high/incapacitated to slip under water in the tub and not be able to react in time to prevent drowning. :rose:

If drowning is the COD, which it sounds like, it sounds as if she "passed out" from drug and or alcohol use, causing her to slide under the water. If she were passed out from being intoxicated she would not have woken when she slipped under the water.

Very very sad.

 

[MsFacetious]

wow. You have to be pretty high/incapacitated to slip under water in the tub and not be able to react in time to prevent drowning. :rose:

It happens more than people realize...
When you compare the swimming pool drownings with the bathtub ones... you would expect it to be drastically different. It's really not.

According to National Safety Council:

The number of Deaths in the year 2000 Nationwide:

Drowning and submersion while in or falling into bath-tub - 341

Drowning and submersion while in or falling into swimming-pool - 567

Drowning and submersion while in or falling into natural water - 1,135

http://danger.mongabay.com/injury_death.htm


I know it doesn't specify ages and there are likely a lot of kids in there.
But just the lack of bigger difference in the bathtub vs swimming pool was interesting to me.

 

[katydid23]

A few years ago there was a picture of Bobbi Kristina in a tabloid, using drugs with some friends. I believe they were snorting coke.

My daughter is 19 and has some friends in common with Bobbi Christine. She has met her a couple of times. My DD says that Bobbi is NOT into drugs, although she did experiment a little at one time. But the friends of hers that my DD knows are not druggies at all. They are pretty religious and straight, but they do play a bit of beer pong. For the most part, my DD thinks Bobbi has some emotional issues because of the instability in her childhood, but she has not at this point turned into a drug addict. She does pick 'bad boys' for boyfriends however. And that might be a really sad thing if she continues that path, imo.

eta: The issues she has described to me are that Bobbi is kind of insecure because she feels people always compare her to her mom, and she wants to be a singer as well. How can anyone feel secure being compared to one of the best singers of all time?
Also, guys tend to play on her insecurities and take advantage and mess with her. I really hope she can finda stable support system now.

 

[matou]

RadarOnline.com reported that while no illegal drugs were found in Houston's room, a bevy of prescription sleeping pills were discovered, including Xanax and Valium.

http://www.amny.com/urbanite-1.812039/details-emerge-about-whitney-houston-s-death-1.3524628

 

[Columbo]

It was just on the news. They interviewed the coroner. It isn't online yet but here is the link. I thought he said it appeared to be foul play but I might have heard it wrong................

http://www.wbtv.com/

I can't find that info at the link, but according to this one and many others, there was no obvious sign of foul play.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/news/story/2012-02-12/whitney-houston-cause-death/53064632/1

 

[Columbo]

My daughter is 19 and has some friends in common with Bobbi Christine. She has met her a couple of times. My DD says that Bobbi is NOT into drugs, although she did experiment a little at one time. But the friends of hers that my DD knows are not druggies at all. They are pretty religious and straight, but they do play a bit of beer pong. For the most part, my DD thinks Bobbi has some emotional issues because of the instability in her childhood, but she has not at this point turned into a drug addict. She does pick 'bad boys' for boyfriends however. And that might be a really sad thing if she continues that path, imo.

Hi katydid23, I am so glad to hear that she is not into drugs. You caught my post before I edited it! I went on to say I hope she was just experimenting and gets help for her problems (which I'm sure are emotional). Maybe she is one of the smart ones who decide to do the opposite of what their parents do, if the parents are in trouble with drugs and other addictions.

If she picks bad boys for boyfriends, and doesn't get the drinking under control, she may end up going down the same path as her mom.

 

[katydid23]

Hi katydid23, I am so glad to hear that she is not into drugs. You caught my post before I edited it! I went on to say I hope she was just experimenting and gets help for her problems (which I'm sure are emotional). Maybe she is one of the smart ones who decide to do the opposite of what their parents do, if the parents are in trouble with drugs and other addictions.

If she picks bad boys for boyfriends, and doesn't get the drinking under control, she may end up going down the same path as her mom.

I guess the only thing I know for sure is that her good friends in Los Angeles that she hangs out with when she is here, are not into hard drugs at all. They drink a bit of beer and play lots of music as they are all musicians. But I agree with you about her choice of boyfriends and the drinking. My DD said they just drank some Coors Lites and did not get drunk the last two times they hung out. It was mostly about jamming.