Who Had Motive, Method & Opportunity?!

[Inparadise]

I don't believe it is very common for people to commit suicide over accidental injuries. I think a far more common reason for suicide is guilt and fear of arrest.

I do believe up until RZ committed suicide, Max's mother was still under the impression his injuries were caused by an accidental fall. Because the fall was preventable, it would not be at all unusual for a parent to still place blame and be very angry at the adult who had failed to protect the child. As it was, Max's doctor also had questions and felt the injuries did not fit with the description of the incident he had received. RZ could have stuck around and provided answers but she chose not to do so.

More than a year later, three highly educated, trained and experienced professionals have expressed the opinion that Max was assaulted. In light of these opinions, RZ's suicide is no surprise. She had method, motive and opportunity and took advantage of it.

JMO

And who exactly might those 3 be?

 

[inthedark14]

I don't believe it is very common for people to commit suicide over accidental injuries. I think a far more common reason for suicide is guilt and fear of arrest.

I do believe up until RZ committed suicide, Max's mother was still under the impression his injuries were caused by an accidental fall. Because the fall was preventable, it would not be at all unusual for a parent to still place blame and be very angry at the adult who had failed to protect the child. As it was, Max's doctor also had questions and felt the injuries did not fit with the description of the incident he had received. RZ could have stuck around and provided answers but she chose not to do so.

More than a year later, three highly educated, trained and experienced professionals have expressed the opinion that Max was assaulted. In light of these opinions, RZ's suicide is no surprise. She had method, motive and opportunity and took advantage of it.

JMO

Hi MyBelle! Thank you, as always for your opinion on this! I also think it is not usual for a parent to place blame and be angry at an adult who failed to protect their child. However, I don't think it is just that. I think from the get-go (meaning when DS was actually at the hospital sometime in the afternoon after the morning incident) somehow she had already decided that something RZ did hurt her son. She must have said as much to NR as NR felt the need to interrogate RZ when she picked her up from the airport. Already, at that point, sometime between MS' fall, DS showing up at the hospital and NS flying out, there were questions and suspicions that fell on RZ. Which is why NR must felt it OK to act as a detective and then give her rendition of the conversation to the MSM as to how RZ responded. EVERYONE involved in this must have been shell shocked, a beautiful child who they all loved was mortally injured. Instead of everyone pulling together, (even in a blended family this can and does happen) it seems that they all took sides. I wonder why that happened?

As to RZ sticking around to provide answers, well, I think she probably would have, which is why we are all still talking about this. I think that's why she's dead. I don't believe however, that she decided (while being playing at chauffeur and porter and being supportive to her boyfriend) that she had to end her life. That in those sparse few hours she decided to take revenge in the most humiliating way, on her boyfriend because he didn't stand up for her. In all honesty, I think she was probably quite unaware of the malice that was directed towards her. Had she been, she probably would have got the heck out of dodge, if only for self preservation would have been on the plane with her sister.

A guilty person is far more likely to flee than to concoct an elaborate suicide that would look like a homicide to hurt those involved. If there is something in RZ's psych profile that would prove that, well, I haven't seen it. The idea that RZ took the time to make it look like she committed suicide to make it look like someone killed her and/or embarrass JS is crazy. When would she even have had the time to plan it? She did not have any motive (if, and it's a BIG IF, she hurt MS...well as it has been pointed out over and over, she had been in the legal system and she knew that an accusation is to the end all be all) she did not have the means (a suicidal person is not going to go through all of the many, many things that encompassed this act, such an elaborate scheme would be beyond someone who wanted to end it all, JMO) as for opportunity, there was a guest in the house, she was not alone and there is NO PROOF that she felt any walls closing in and that it had to be done right that second.

Finally, who are the three experts? TIA

Sorry for the long post, all.

Always MOO

 

[iSleuth]

<<NINA:
Okay - so this was, this was the reason why. The reason why was that Rebecca picked me up from the airport - when I got in on Monday night - my son and I. And of course when I first (inaudible) she got out of the car. She opened up her trunk(it was an SUV)I thought she was getting out of the car to open up the trunk so I could put my luggage in there. She walked to the back of the car. She saw me. She said Nina - I am so glad that you're here. She was crying. She gave me this big bear hug. She put her - like her face in my neck area. And just embraced me. But it was to the extent that she didn't let go. Like it was a bear hug and she didn't let go. To the extent where somebody has you - that you start to get uncomfortable and you kinda start pulling away. Like something was weird about this. And I - you know - said I'm glad I'm here too you know. Thank you for picking me up. But I got this really weird vibe from it. Because I didn't know Rebecca that well. I mean I sorta met her two - or three - I believe - two times before. And that was it - um - my nephews birthday party. We were all at my nephew's birthday party together. My sister - Rebecca, Jonah - his parents - and other children. We had a bonfire on the beach. We were all there together. Everything was fine (and then I met - school functions) I met her as well - my nephew's school function...So we got in the car. The first thing I said was - Rebecca what happened? I said I got different pieces - I don't understand this. She was driving to the hospital - which I have - was under the impression she had already been to? And I said what happened - I don't understand I heard Maxie was walking up the stairs and he had a cardiac arrest? I said - I - that makes no sense to me. I said he is six years old - he's a healthy boy &#8211; he, he plays soccer - he plays sports - I don't understand. And then she looked at me and she said - I KNOW. And that was it. And I said - um okay - well, where did he fall from? Did he fall from the first of the stairs - the middle landing - the next set of stairs going up the top landing by the bedroom - where did he fall from? She said twice - he fell from the bedroom - he fell from the bedroom. And I looked at her and I said - well - how do you know that? I - I thought you didn't see him? No answer. (inaudible) Then she said - are you good with directions - and she handed me her cell phone. And it caught me off guard and I said - well I guess - if it tells me where to go - talking about the phone - she was getting lost going to the hospital. (inaudible) she would not speak about the accident again. Not one word.

http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kfmb/...ina_romano.mp3
Quote:
CROSSTALK:
Why do you think that she didn't give him CPR?

NINA:
I don't know, great question. I don't know that's my thinking I don't know maybe who knows maybe she was in the back yard maybe she was distracted I don't know maybe she found him and she didn't know how long he had been there, I don't know, I have no idea. No I do think she knew more than what she was telling- that's the feeling that I got that she wasn't being very forthcoming and I felt like she knew more and because of that she took those secrets with her. That's what I feel like.

http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kfmb/...ina_romano.mp3
Quote:
BOY INTERRUPTED:
Max&#8217;s physicians were still looking for clues to explain his cardiac arrest. &#8220;I felt like my life was collapsing like a card table,&#8221; Dina says. &#8220;The doctors said, &#8216;If you have any information, that would be helpful.&#8217; So I asked Nina to go talk to Rebecca. Beg her on your hands and knees, if you have to. Ask her if there&#8217;s anything, anything, that might help Max. Some detail or something she left out [of the police report].&#8221;>>

This is JMOO and I know that statement analysis is not permissible in court ( yet) but the little bit I have learned through following other cases ( particularly Isabel Celis's and her parent's statements) they say that the more one makes use of the word " I" in a statement the more proof of guilt or guilty knowledge. How many "I's " can you count in N's statements?? I wish someone would do a real analysis of these statements.

AS always JMOO

 

[Carioca]

respectfully clipped by me for space consideration

This is JMOO and I know that statement analysis is not permissible in court ( yet) but the little bit I have learned through following other cases ( particularly Isabel Celis's and her parent's statements) they say that the more one makes use of the word " I" in a statement the more proof of guilt or guilty knowledge. How many "I's " can you count in N's statements?? I wish someone would do a real analysis of these statements.

AS always JMOO

Thanks for that iSleuth! Statement analysis is interesting indeed.
For anyone interested in reading more, here is an excellent web site with some examples of statement analysis from other cases. I haven't had a chance to go through each one to find reference to "I" usage but I promise to as soon as I have time (in this case I am not lying - lol:
http://www.statementanalysis.com/cases/

 

[Gilgamesh]

Question: if you google LHK.com (spell it out, tho) and ask for posts within this last week, two things pop up.
Is the top result the same as what you typed in? One ends in .com and one ends in yahoo.com.
I'm not trying to be mysterious, I just don't want to bring up anything that will bring on a mods-snip.
You can even PM me if you think it's better to do so.TIA

 

[iSleuth]

Thanks for that iSleuth! Statement analysis is interesting indeed.
For anyone interested in reading more, here is an excellent web site with some examples of statement analysis from other cases. I haven't had a chance to go through each one to find reference to "I" usage but I promise to as soon as I have time (in this case I am not lying - lol:
http://www.statementanalysis.com/cases/

"I heard Maxie was walking up the stairs and he had a cardiac arrest. That makes no sense to me. I said, ‘He's a six year old boy. He's a healthy boy. He plays soccer. He plays sports. I don't understand.' And (Rebecca) just looked at me and she said, ‘I know.' And that was it," said Romano, 41, during a two-hour interview detailing the events.

"And I said, ‘Okay, well, where did he fall from? Did he fall from the first set of stairs, the little landing, the stairs going up, the top landing by the bedrooms, where did he fall from?'" Romano continued. "She said twice, ‘He fell from the bedroom. He fell from the bedroom.' And I looked at her and said, ‘How do you know that? I thought you didn't see him.' No answer."

....

"I kept saying to myself, ‘I don't get it.' I thought I'm just going to go ask Rebecca, can you please show me where you found him? Show me how you found him. I just wanted to see. Show me where he was positioned. I just wanted to see for myself," Romano said. "That's why I went there. I just wanted her to show me how she found him because I didn't understand.

"I went up to the front door and rang the bell, nothing; rang the bell a second time, nothing. I knocked on the door. I looked through the glass, nothing," Romano remembered. "It didn't look like anybody was home. The whole bottom part of the house was dark.

.....

"That overhead light was on. So that was the only light that I saw in the house. The kitchen was dark, everything was dark. So I thought, that's kind of strange because her car's here; that light's on, that's weird. So then I just thought, ‘Maybe she just doesn't want to talk to me,'" according to Romano.

"So, I turned around and I left right away and I walked back to my sister's house, got ready for bed and went to sleep.

 

[Carioca]

I had to laugh.. according to Statement Analysis, "the number 'three' is a liar's number. When deceptive people have to think of a number they will often use the number three. For example:
"There were three men that attacked me."
"I left the house at 3:30 p.m."
http://www.statementanalysis.com/research/

Hmmm, now where have we heard the number 3 recently?

Regardless, when applying the number 3 theory to NR's interview, it pops up on a number of occasions. Here are two examples:

CROSSTALK: Your sister wasn't there that night?

NINA: Absolutely, 100% not. She was at my nephew's bedside. Like 100% percent accuracy no doubt whatsoever. And I have come for-and I told the police the very next day. I was there, I was [there] three minutes -- look what I did anyone can see the police report. I told them I walked you know, to the back part where the little fence thing was, where the garage is, I had nothing to hide. I wanted them to know you know, because I believe if you don't and you are not forthcoming and it comes out afterwards that does look suspicious so that's why I immediately said hey I was there. I wanted them to know.

CROSSTALK: So she drove from the hospital in her car to her house?

NINA: uh no uh no, a friend of her's picked her up because she was driven to the hospital Monday by uh by uh a police officer so she didn't have a car there. So a friend of hers picked her up so she was at the hospital from 3 pm Monday (Nina emphasizes this with her intonation) for the entire day and the entire night until she got to the house about 10:30, about 10:00 she left the hospital. She got back home about 10:30. She was back.. We left at 3:30- so she was only home for 6 hours- and then we went..

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To recap: According to Search Warrant 11-164 "She [Dina] returned to the hospital on July 12, 2011, at about 2000 hours." According to same SW, Jonah told detectives "Dina returned to the hospital on July 12, 2011, at about 1800 hours." (Of course, the reason for the SW for their phones was to determine if they were being truthful. We now know many so called "facts" presented in the SWs were anything BUT true.)

Then we have Nina stating she and Dina returned together at 3:30PM (1530 hours).

According to Mark McClish at Statement Analysis:
"Remember this was not a study on the number three and the study has several flaws in regards to the number three. There were only five numbers (1-5) the participants could choose. The majority of the time (52%) the participants did not first select the time of 3:00 p.m. or 3:30 p.m. However, it is interesting that 48% of the time when writing a deceptive story and given the choice of mentioning five numbers, the first time reference mention was 3:00 or 3:30."

Bottom line: Why the discrepancies on what time Dina returned to the hospital the night Rebecca was murdered? Three different statements, three different times stated. Hmmm...

 

[MyBelle]

I had to laugh.. according to Statement Analysis, "the number 'three' is a liar's number. When deceptive people have to think of a number they will often use the number three. For example:
"There were three men that attacked me."
"I left the house at 3:30 p.m."
http://www.statementanalysis.com/research/

~snipped for relevance~
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To recap: According to Search Warrant 11-164 "She [Dina] returned to the hospital on July 12, 2011, at about 2000 hours." According to same SW, Jonah told detectives "Dina returned to the hospital on July 12, 2011, at about 1800 hours." (Of course, the reason for the SW for their phones was to determine if they were being truthful. We now know many so called "facts" presented in the SWs were anything BUT true.)

Then we have Nina stating she and Dina returned together at 3:30PM (1530 hours). According to Mark McClish at Statement Analysis:
"Remember this was not a study on the number three and the study has several flaws in regards to the number three. There were only five numbers (1-5) the participants could choose. The majority of the time (52%) the participants did not first select the time of 3:00 p.m. or 3:30 p.m. However, it is interesting that 48% of the time when writing a deceptive story and given the choice of mentioning five numbers, the first time reference mention was 3:00 or 3:30."

Bottom line: Why the discrepancies on what time Dina returned to the hospital the night Rebecca was murdered? Three different statements, three different times stated. Hmmm...

To me, there is nothing laughable about either one of the tragic deaths. You have taken a totally unrelated study--that contained only five numbers from which to choose--and to that part I do agree with you. It is laughable.

In reality, one would expect three innocent and very different people would NOT be totally insync as to the times they or anybody else arrived or departed.

JMO

 

[Frigga]

Reading the sisters interview what stands out to me is 1) Rebecca seems totally in shock and affected by Max's fall and injuries 2) She would be unable to answer any questions in regards to what exactly happened to Max as she was not there to witness it. She was in the restroom for God sake. She seems to be trying to give answers because she is being pressed for them. She has no better idea what happened to Max (exactly) than his mother, his mother's sister, or his father does. Why do we keep going around like she should. Why does the mother's sister press her for answers when she obviously has the information that Rebecca wasn't present for the fall. I feel so, so sorry for Rebecca reading that interview and putting myself in her shoes.

 

[MyBelle]

Reading the sisters interview what stands out to me is 1) Rebecca seems totally in shock and affected by Max's fall and injuries 2) She would be unable to answer any questions in regards to what exactly happened to Max as she was not there to witness it. She was in the restroom for God sake. She seems to be trying to give answers because she is being pressed for them. She has no better idea what happened to Max (exactly) than his mother, his mother's sister, or his father does. Why do we keep going around like she should. Why does the mother's sister press her for answers when she obviously has the information that Rebecca wasn't present for the fall. I feel so, so sorry for Rebecca reading that interview and putting myself in her shoes.

I feel more sorry for Max and his doctors and family who were searching for the truth. Just because RZ said she was in the restroom doesn't make it true.

According to the official reports, CPS was called in because they found the explanations suspicious because they didn't fit with Max's visible injuries. Those explanations had to be from RZ and her sister because they were the only two present when the injuries occurred. Failure to tell the truth is usually tied to a crime.

JMO

 

[TorisMom003]

I feel more sorry for Max and his doctors and family who were searching for the truth. Just because RZ said she was in the restroom doesn't make it true.

According to the official reports, CPS was called in because they found the explanations suspicious because they didn't fit with Max's visible injuries. Those explanations had to be from RZ and her sister because they were the only two present when the injuries occurred. Failure to tell the truth is usually tied to a crime.

JMO

Well technically, since we have not seen proof that Jonah was not in the house at the time, Jonah himself could have been at the house when Max had his accident. We only have his word that he was not there and that doesn't make it true. After all, if people are going to blame the two that were known to be in the house and claim that they could be holding back the truth, then I believe that the same can be said for those that don't have solid alibis outside of the house as well.

Rebecca's injuries also do not fit with a suicide but I suppose since some deem her as completely responsible for Max's (not an, to some) accident that Rebecca simply does not matter. It seems to me that Rebecca simply did not matter even when she was alive to the majority in this story.

MOO

 

[MyBelle]

Well technically, since we have not seen proof that Jonah was not in the house at the time, Jonah himself could have been at the house when Max had his accident. We only have his word that he was not there and that doesn't make it true. After all, if people are going to blame the two that were known to be in the house and claim that they could be holding back the truth, then I believe that the same can be said for those that don't have solid alibis outside of the house as well.

Rebecca's injuries also do not fit with a suicide but I suppose since some deem her as completely responsible for Max's (not an, to some) accident that Rebecca simply does not matter. It seems to me that Rebecca simply did not matter even when she was alive to the majority in this story.

MOO

BBM. The ME relied on LE reports and it was RZ and XZ who put only themselves at the house at the time of Max's injuries. A homicide investigation into Max's death was not done to determine who for certain was at the house.

According to the ME, RZ's injuries do fit with a suicide. Whether or not she was responsible for Max's accident, the ME hasn't changed his opinion about manner of her death.

JMO

 

[time]

Yeah, but I think this thread is about who had motive, method, and opportunity to murder Rebecca.

 

[TorisMom003]

BBM. The ME relied on LE reports and it was RZ and XZ who put only themselves at the house at the time of Max's injuries. A homicide investigation into Max's death was not done to determine who for certain was at the house.

According to the ME, RZ's injuries do fit with a suicide. Whether or not she was responsible for Max's accident, the ME hasn't changed his opinion about manner of her death.

JMO

The ME has changed his opinion about the manner of Max's death? I'm pretty sure that hasn't happened or Max's investigation would have been re-opened by now. So we have an arguement that since the ME decided that Rebecca committed suicide that the close is closed and should not be re-opened, yes? Or am I misunderstanding the arguement behind this? So then that should mean that since the ME ruled Max's death as an accident that the case is closed and should not be re-opened, yes? It is very difficult to have it both ways when it comes to these two cases. I have said before that either BOTH cases were completely investigated thoroughly or NEITHER of them were. I do believe that Max died from an accident but not in the way that was explained and that perhaps that is one of the reasons behind Dina's insistance that Max's case be re-opened. I do not believe that Rebecca committed suicide as has been claimed as the facts do not match up with what was claimed to have occured.

MOO

 

[suzier]

"I heard Maxie was walking up the stairs and he had a cardiac arrest. That makes no sense to me. I said, ‘He's a six year old boy. He's a healthy boy. He plays soccer. He plays sports. I don't understand.' And (Rebecca) just looked at me and she said, ‘I know.' And that was it," said Romano, 41, during a two-hour interview detailing the events.

"And I said, ‘Okay, well, where did he fall from? Did he fall from the first set of stairs, the little landing, the stairs going up, the top landing by the bedrooms, where did he fall from?'" Romano continued. "She said twice, ‘He fell from the bedroom. He fell from the bedroom.' And I looked at her and said, ‘How do you know that? I thought you didn't see him.' No answer."

Rebecca was trying to coordinate transportation and communication during a family crises. That role is a very difficult position to be in even when you are peripheral to the event (I know first hand). I would think having been part of the event and an "outsider" would make the role 1000x more stressful.

Then, while driving in airport traffic, something stressful in and of itself, she was being interrogated. Nina admittedly pulled away when Rebecca was in need of comfort (the hug).

How Nina quoted herself is probably a tame version of how she questioned Rebecca. First she claims she had heard he was walking up the stairs. Then she demanded to know from where he fell? I think she must have known the "walking" up the stairs wasn't accurate.

When Rebecca answers, she immediately became accusatory and implying Rebecca's answers were not truthful (How do you know that? I thought you didn't see?).

It seems as if Rebecca acted wisely in stopping the discussion and focusing on transporting Nina to the hospital safely.

I don't think Rebecca would have any words or actions which Nina would not have found fault. My heart breaks for Max and Rebecca!

 

[Frigga]

Rebecca was trying to coordinate transportation and communication during a family crises. That role is a very difficult position to be in even when you are peripheral to the event (I know first hand). I would think having been part of the event and an "outsider" would make the role 1000x more stressful.

Then, while driving in airport traffic, something stressful in and of itself, she was being interrogated. Nina admittedly pulled away when Rebecca was in need of comfort (the hug).

How Nina quoted herself is probably a tame version of how she questioned Rebecca. First she claims she had heard he was walking up the stairs. Then she demanded to know from where he fell? I think she must have known the "walking" up the stairs wasn't accurate.

When Rebecca answers, she immediately became accusatory and implying Rebecca's answers were not truthful (How do you know that? I thought you didn't see?).

It seems as if Rebecca acted wisely in stopping the discussion and focusing on transporting Nina to the hospital safely.

I don't think Rebecca would have any words or actions which Nina would not have found fault. My heart breaks for Max and Rebecca!

Well said. Mine too.

 

[K_Z]

I feel more sorry for Max and his doctors and family who were searching for the truth. Just because RZ said she was in the restroom doesn't make it true.

According to the official reports, CPS was called in because they found the explanations suspicious because they didn't fit with Max's visible injuries. Those explanations had to be from RZ and her sister because they were the only two present when the injuries occurred. Failure to tell the truth is usually tied to a crime.

JMO

I disagree that Max's doctors were "puzzled" (Dina's words from Boy Interrupted interview), or "searching for the truth". ICU docs don't sit around wringing their hands. Just because Dina says this doesn't make it true. His doctors were focused on the "here and now" of the medical situation in front of them, and they knew what that was, and what his condition was. Max's "visible injuries" were only a fleeting concern, once they had MRI results, and other diagnostic results. Visible injuries are not diagnostic. One can't say a patient has (for example) facial abrasions and a history of a 2 story fall, therefore the person was "assaulted". That's a leap of logic, or an "improper inferential leap." Lots of things can cause scratches and abrasions-- particularly with a history of a second story fall, chandelier crash, prolonged cardiac arrest at the scene with EMS resuscitation efforts, EMS transport x 2, ER care, ICU care, etc.

I have no doubt that the Gomez diagram was not quite right in explaining Max's fall, but that doesn't equal foul play or "assault".

It's my opinion that Max's medical records hold the answers to a number of questions about Max's death, as well as Rebecca's death. (Particularly motive for Rebecca's murder.)

 

[MyBelle]

The ME has changed his opinion about the manner of Max's death? I'm pretty sure that hasn't happened or Max's investigation would have been re-opened by now. So we have an arguement that since the ME decided that Rebecca committed suicide that the close is closed and should not be re-opened, yes? Or am I misunderstanding the arguement behind this? So then that should mean that since the ME ruled Max's death as an accident that the case is closed and should not be re-opened, yes? It is very difficult to have it both ways when it comes to these two cases. I have said before that either BOTH cases were completely investigated thoroughly or NEITHER of them were. I do believe that Max died from an accident but not in the way that was explained and that perhaps that is one of the reasons behind Dina's insistance that Max's case be re-opened. I do not believe that Rebecca committed suicide as has been claimed as the facts do not match up with what was claimed to have occured.


MOO

I doubt the ME will change his opinion about the manner of Max's death until after a homicide investigation is completed. The difference in the two cases is that RZ's death was investigated as a homicide but Max's was not.

I'm betting that such an investigation is now underway at either the state or federal level.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

I disagree that Max's doctors were "puzzled" (Dina's words from Boy Interrupted interview), or "searching for the truth". ICU docs don't sit around wringing their hands. Just because Dina says this doesn't make it true. His doctors were focused on the "here and now" of the medical situation in front of them, and they knew what that was, and what his condition was. Max's "visible injuries" were only a fleeting concern, once they had MRI results, and other diagnostic results. Visible injuries are not diagnostic. One can't say a patient has (for example) facial abrasions and a history of a 2 story fall, therefore the person was "assaulted". That's a leap of logic, or an "improper inferential leap." Lots of things can cause scratches and abrasions-- particularly with a history of a second story fall, chandelier crash, prolonged cardiac arrest at the scene with EMS resuscitation efforts, EMS transport x 2, ER care, ICU care, etc.

I have no doubt that the Gomez diagram was not quite right in explaining Max's fall, but that doesn't equal foul play or "assault".

It's my opinion that Max's medical records hold the answers to a number of questions about Max's death, as well as Rebecca's death. (Particularly motive for Rebecca's murder.)

The experts don't share your opinion. Nobody (other than you) has said the ICU doctors were sitting around wringing their hands.

Doctors requested a CPS investigation and while you may characterize it as a "fleeting concern," you aren't a physician or forensic pathologist. LE did open an investigation so apparently they took it very seriously and I agree with the experts.

JMO

 

[Salem]

Let's get back on topic here. This thread is for exploring motive, opportunity and method -- not the ME reports or whether or not the cases will be reopened.

From this point forward - off topic will be removed. We have lots of threads that discuss the other subjects. We don't need to do it here, also.

Thanks,

Salem