Who Had Motive, Method & Opportunity?!

[bourne]

Or if the dirty deed was done in another place and she never went upstairs.

I had thought of that but how would you explain how Becky's prints were found on critical points in the murder room, such as the bed post?

At some point the murderers had to get Becky into the murder room to stage the crime scene as a suicide.

I don't think they'd then take the time to then escort or carry Becky back downstairs into the courtyard to haul her back up to fake the dive hanging. That would take too much time and effort, contaminate the house even more with the murderers' own prints and DNA, and I don't think the murderers would risk making more mistakes in staging the crime.

 

[iSleuth]

You have very keen detective skills! I LOVE it. You're so correct. Why were the soles of Becky's feet so muddy and yet she didn't make any muddy footprint marks on the carpet in the murder room and the balcony if she were trampling all over the room and balcony to measure and cut the rope, paint the non-suicide cryptic note on door, tie the rope to the bed leg, etc.?

The only thing that makes sense is if she were carried by other people into the murder room -- likely wrapped up with the red comforter they found in the murder room.

which points to a group/ aka lynch mob - scenario ;-(

Our thinking and discussions in this forum and over these issues IMHO has never been more important. As we have seen with the sleuthing in the KC anthony case- our findings can make a difference and even more so. Becky's ( and MS's) case can and would be re opened if there is a determination of new evidence. I have high hopes and am quite proud of WS. Just Sayin'

:rocker:

 

[Inparadise]

which points to a group/ aka lynch mob - scenario ;-(

Our thinking and discussions in this forum and over these issues IMHO has never been more important. As we have seen with the sleuthing in the KC anthony case- our findings can make a difference and even more so. Becky's ( and MS's) case can and would be re opened if there is a determination of new evidence. I have high hopes and am quite proud of WS. Just Sayin'

:rocker:

Very similar to "Murder on the Orient Express".........

 

[*Lash*]

But only RZ and Adam were inside the property. The search warrant was to search inside the property.

JMO

Actually, SW 11-164 and 165 were requested for phone records not to search inside the property. It is the narrative the detective used that left out Nina being at the mansion on Tuesday night. This statement from Det. Tsuida is inaccurate.

 

[MyBelle]

Actually, SW 11-164 and 165 were requested for phone records not to search inside the property. It is the narrative the detective used that left out Nina being at the mansion on Tuesday night. This statement from Det. Tsuida is inaccurate.

Has Det. Tsuida said it was inaccurate? Did he even know at that point that Nina had been to the property? I just don't see the relevance Nina's whereabouts had to the search warrant.

JMO

 

[*Lash*]

I would hope at the time the warrants were requested, August 24th, the lead investigator Det. Angela Tsuida knew who was or was not at the mansion Tuesday night.

The investigation into Becky’s death would be handled by the San Diego Sheriff’s Homicide Team #2, with detective Angela Tsuida as the lead investigator. Coronado police sergeant Mitch McKay was at the death scene and he briefed the crew of San Diego County sheriff’s detectives who gathered there.

Excerpt From: Rule, Ann. “Fatal Friends, Deadly Neighbors.” This material may be protected by copyright.

http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kfmb/misc/warrant_11-164.pdf
http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kfmb/misc/warrant_11-165.pdf

 

[MyBelle]

I would hope at the time the warrants were requested, August 24th, the lead investigator Det. Angela Tsuida knew who was or was not at the mansion Tuesday night.



http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kfmb/misc/warrant_11-164.pdf
http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kfmb/misc/warrant_11-165.pdf

The point of the search warrant wasn't to list who was at the mansion, was it? I still fail to see why you think Nina's presence was relevant relevant. She didn't make contact nor did she enter the premises. Was the mailman listed? All delivery people?

JMO

 

[time]

I hope you know that saying Nina didn't make contact nor enter the residence are not facts. Do mailmen normally deliver mail at 11 pm at night? Especially when someone just happens to then get murdered sometime between then and 3 am?

 

[MyBelle]

I hope you know that saying Nina didn't make contact nor enter the residence are not facts. Do mailmen normally deliver mail at 11 pm at night? Especially when someone just happens to then get murdered sometime between then and 3 am?

Please provide a link that Nina made contact with RZ that night or entered the residence. Until I see a link, I will continue to hold the opinion that Nina was never a suspect and the only person with motive, means and opportunity was RZ herself.

JMO

 

[bourne]

By definition, a search warrant is a court order authorizing the police to examine a place or person for the purpose of discovering contraband, stolen property, or evidence of guilt to be used in the prosecution of a criminal action. (Read your legal dictionary or ask a lawyer if you disagree). As such, a S/W should contain the most significant, pertinent information available at the time of their procurement by the investigators.

If Nina admitted to being physically present at the mansion moments before Rebecca was murdered during a police interview, and the investigator writing up this S/W is aware of that fact, then Nina's name should have been listed as a relevant person-of-interest in the S/W.

The point is that Nina was not listed. The question is why Nina was excluded from being named on S/W and whether the investigator writing up the S/W purposefully excluded Nina. If Nina's name was purposefully omitted from the S/W, there is the matter of an appearance of impropriety on the part of the investigator writing up the S/W affidavit.

 

[MyBelle]

By definition, a search warrant is a court order authorizing the police to examine a place or person for the purpose of discovering contraband, stolen property, or evidence of guilt to be used in the prosecution of a criminal action. (Read your legal dictionary or ask a lawyer if you disagree). As such, a S/W should contain the most significant, pertinent information available at the time of their procurement by the investigators.

If Nina admitted to being physically present at the mansion moments before Rebecca was murdered during a police interview, and the investigator writing up this S/W is aware of that fact, then Nina's name should have been listed as a relevant person-of-interest in the S/W.

The point is that Nina was not listed. The question is why Nina was excluded from being named on S/W and whether the investigator writing up the S/W purposefully excluded Nina. If Nina's name was purposefully omitted from the S/W, there is the matter of an appearance of impropriety on the part of the investigator writing up the S/W affidavit.

The Search Warrant only listed the two people who were at the property from the night prior and into the morning of RZ's death. Nina wasn't there that entire period of time so I'm not surprised she is not listed. I think your accusation of impropriety by the officer is without any basis.

JMO

 

[inthedark14]

By definition, a search warrant is a court order authorizing the police to examine a place or person for the purpose of discovering contraband, stolen property, or evidence of guilt to be used in the prosecution of a criminal action. (Read your legal dictionary or ask a lawyer if you disagree). As such, a S/W should contain the most significant, pertinent information available at the time of their procurement by the investigators.

If Nina admitted to being physically present at the mansion moments before Rebecca was murdered during a police interview, and the investigator writing up this S/W is aware of that fact, then Nina's name should have been listed as a relevant person-of-interest in the S/W.

The point is that Nina was not listed. The question is why Nina was excluded from being named on S/W and whether the investigator writing up the S/W purposefully excluded Nina. If Nina's name was purposefully omitted from the S/W, there is the matter of an appearance of impropriety on the part of the investigator writing up the S/W affidavit.

Just as NR was not given a poly. Just as NR's (as far as we know) interview(s) were never followed up on. Do we know if her (painfully submitted) hair samples, etc. were ever tested? It seems that NR definitely got a pass. One does have to wonder why that is.

 

[MissJ]

Statistics say women rarely hang them selves, in fact there are NO stats on women who hang themselves nude. I could find no link at all. Much less hang themselves nude, bound and gagged. Murders yes, suicides...no. Motive, any family or friends who perceived MD's to say that MS was suffocated. Method...obvious; opportunity all of the friends or family of MS

 

[Zinn]

The Search Warrant only listed the two people who were at the property from the night prior and into the morning of RZ's death. Nina wasn't there that entire period of time so I'm not surprised she is not listed. I think your accusation of impropriety by the officer is without any basis.

JMO

MyBelle - You may want to familiarize yourself with Nina's lengthy audio interview in which she placed herself at the property a few hours before Rebecca's death. There is an existing thread devoted to the topic of Nina's interview. I'm not vouching for Nina's honesty, just pointing out she made this statement.

 

[inthedark14]

The Search Warrant only listed the two people who were at the property from the night prior and into the morning of RZ's death. Nina wasn't there that entire period of time so I'm not surprised she is not listed. I think your accusation of impropriety by the officer is without any basis.

JMO

But she WAS there. By her own admission in her lengthy interview with MSM. It would be odd for LE to just take her word that she "didn't touch the gate" and sent her messages at a certain time. Did LE ever get her phone records, other than the printed off the internet page we have seen? Did LE dust the gate for fingerprints. Are there other ways onto the property, perhaps by way of a neighboring home?

FYI: I was referencing the search warrant as to why it didn't include Nina. Nina did not prepare the search warrant.

JMO

Of course NR did not prepare the search warrant, I'm curious as to your phrasing. The question is WHY was someone who WAS ON THE PROPERTY that night, is not included. It is another missing link that LE didn't cover and didn't answer for with their carefully constructed, professionally investigated case.
:what:

I would just also like to state that it may not have been up to the individual investigators what was presented in early September of 2011. We cannot fault people for doing their jobs as they were told to do them. What is very interesting is that none of these professionals (please someone give us a quote to prove me wrong that anyone other than Gore from the SDSO has made a statement about this, in case I missed it) has stated anything standing behind their findings in the MSM.

Always MOO

 

[Carioca]

Are there other ways onto the property, perhaps by way of a neighboring home?

There is also a wooden gate on the right side of the property that leads to the inner courtyard.

 

[bourne]

The Search Warrant only listed the two people who were at the property from the night prior and into the morning of RZ's death. Nina wasn't there that entire period of time so I'm not surprised she is not listed. I think your accusation of impropriety by the officer is without any basis.

JMO

Enough with your false accusations about us posters. Stop twisting my words around. I made no accusations, only a statement of conditional facts.

I said there is an appearance of impropriety on part of the investigator who wrote the search warrant. And I stand by what I said. If s/he knew that Nina admitted to being at the Speckels mansion the night Rebecca died, the investigator had a professional and legal obligation to include that fact in the S/W. Her failure to do so -- if it was done intentionally -- constitutes a negligence in the performance of her responsibilities as a court officer.

 

[bourne]

Just as NR was not given a poly. Just as NR's (as far as we know) interview(s) were never followed up on. Do we know if her (painfully submitted) hair samples, etc. were ever tested? It seems that NR definitely got a pass. One does have to wonder why that is.

I agree. There are many appearances of improprieties in the investigation of Rebecca's death. I am wondering if that is a general incompetence in that particular department of SDSO or the investigation was tainted by some powerful person's influence.

 

[MyBelle]

But she WAS there. By her own admission in her lengthy interview with MSM. It would be odd for LE to just take her word that she "didn't touch the gate" and sent her messages at a certain time. Did LE ever get her phone records, other than the printed off the internet page we have seen? Did LE dust the gate for fingerprints. Are there other ways onto the property, perhaps by way of a neighboring home?



Of course NR did not prepare the search warrant, I'm curious as to your phrasing. The question is WHY was someone who WAS ON THE PROPERTY that night, is not included. It is another missing link that LE didn't cover and didn't answer for with their carefully constructed, professionally investigated case.
:what:

I would just also like to state that it may not have been up to the individual investigators what was presented in early September of 2011. We cannot fault people for doing their jobs as they were told to do them. What is very interesting is that none of these professionals (please someone give us a quote to prove me wrong that anyone other than Gore from the SDSO has made a statement about this, in case I missed it) has stated anything standing behind their findings in the MSM.

Always MOO

Nina was not on the property during the entire time-frame (night through morning RZ was found) that is clearly listed on the Search Warrant by the Officer. It is no surprise to me that she wasn't listed.

JMO

 

[Betty P]

Nina was not on the property during the entire time-frame (night through morning RZ was found) that is clearly listed on the Search Warrant by the Officer. It is no surprise to me that she wasn't listed.

JMO

If true, why did she later say she was on the property?