WHO is searching for Kyron?

[Pensfan]

IMO, the best way to keep children safe is to watch them continuously. This is not likely to occur if the primary caretaker has an internet addiction or another form of addiction.

 

[pufnstuf]

Every case is individual, every parent unique in their experiences when their child goes missing. All we can do, and all anyone should do, is take them at their own words why they are not searching. I have said this before, and will state again, Kaine and Desiree are not searching for two reasons:

1. Desiree says she doesn't want to trip over evidence on a search.
2. Kaine says they will no doubt get lost if they tried.

But more importantly:

3. Law enforcement clearly stated that they didn't want any searchers involved who were not trained in SAR.

4. It's dangerous for people who are not trained.

The search has been difficult in the dense, hilly terrain near the school. At least one person was injured Monday on an embankment near a rural road and had to be transported by ambulance. Gates declined to elaborate on the injury. SOURCE

 

[gwenabob]

Every case is individual, every parent unique in their experiences when their child goes missing. All we can do, and all anyone should do, is take them at their own words why they are not searching. I have said this before, and will state again, Kaine and Desiree are not searching for two reasons:

1. Desiree says she doesn't want to trip over evidence on a search.
2. Kaine says they will no doubt get lost if they tried.

Instead, they turned their efforts into getting t-shirts, bracelets and buttons made. Now they have a foundation to run. And now Desiree's new cause is to move the reward up from an "adequate" (her word, not mine) $50K to a substantial, and equal to Terri's defense funds, $350K.

I have never seen a parent act like any other parent when their child is missing. It is unique to each one of them. May I never experience it.

I hope none of us ever experience it. Look at how Desiree and Kaine have been treated. And they are not even suspects.

 

[debs]

I hope none of us ever experience it. Look at how Desiree and Kaine have been treated. And they are not even suspects.

They haven't been named as suspects. With all due respect, no one has been named a suspect. Not even Terri, and look at how she's been treated. The debate can ensue that Terri was targeted justifiably. That isn't the point. No one has been named a suspect.

 

[gwenabob]

They haven't been named as suspects. With all due respect, no one has been named a suspect. Not even Terri, and look at how she's been treated. The debate can ensue that Terri was targeted justifiably. That isn't the point. No one has been named a suspect.

Terri's own attorney said she is a de facto suspect.

 

[pufnstuf]

Terri's own attorney said she is a de facto suspect.

And her whole face (not just her shoulder or chin) being on, what, TWO questionnaires pretty much points to her being a suspect.

 

[debs]

Terri's divorce attorney called her a de facto suspect. Not a named suspect. By that token, anyone could claim Desiree and Kaine are de facto suspects, because they haven't been named, nor has any one other person.

But none of that answers who is searching for Kyron, which seems like no one at this point

 

[JBean]

who is searching for Kyron?

 

[gwenabob]

And her whole face (not just her shoulder or chin) being on, what, TWO questionnaires pretty much points to her being a suspect.

Plus it is hard to believe someone who is not a suspect, even if it is just de facto, would pony up $350 k, or any large sum of money, for a criminal defense attorney. Plus, would a non suspect give up the rights to see her toddler rather than have to speak in court? Not in my book.

 

[pufnstuf]

“We are searching areas as needed based on tips,” Multnomah County Sheriff's spokeswoman Mary Lindstrand said on Sept. 8, 2010.

http://www.amw.com/missing_children/case.cfm?id=73203

 

[gwenabob]

who is searching for Kyron?

At this point, it looks like the entire state of Oregon except Terri!

 

[JBean]

I think it would also be important to note that searching for Kyron does not always mean ground searches. Looking 'everywhere" is inefficient and counterproductive. They need information that will lead to a ground search.
Are there other ways they are searching for Kyron?

 

[debs]

At this point, it looks like the entire state of Oregon except Terri!

Neither are his parents. If reasons they cannot search are valid, that LE does not want untrained people in the field, then it has to apply to Terri, as well. No one has to like it, but it is the truth.

 

[pufnstuf]

I think it would also be important to note that searching for Kyron does not always mean ground searches. Looking 'everywhere" is inefficient and counterproductive. They need information that will lead to a ground search.
Are there other ways they are searching for Kyron?

That's a good question, JBean. In my opinion, with Kyron still missing, everything that investigators are doing right now is part of the search.

Whether it's looking through phone records, receipts, videos, it serves a dual purpose--1) to trace a path that may lead to Kyron's location, and 2) to find evidence that will be useful when the case eventually goes to trial.

So there are more kinds of search than just the boots on the ground type. And the other kinds of searches may be more fruitful and ultimately lead to Kyron's location.

 

[pufnstuf]

Neither are his parents. If reasons they cannot search are valid, that LE does not want untrained people in the field, then it has to apply to Terri, as well. No one has to like it, but it is the truth.

I don't think that anyone has demanded that Terri get out and search. And LE certainly wouldn't allow her to, anyway, seeing as how she could use that opening to tamper with evidence.

Personally, I don't want Terri anywhere near Kyron right now, whether he's living or deceased, unless there's an officer ten feet behind her.

 

[gwenabob]

Neither are his parents. If reasons they cannot search are valid, that LE does not want untrained people in the field, then it has to apply to Terri, as well. No one has to like it, but it is the truth.

Kyron's parents are out there all the time working with the press, pleading his case, doing press conferences, keeping a website going, making pleas to the public to keep their eyes open, working on raising money to keep the search going, working on raising money to increase the reward fund. Those are all ways to further the search,

Terri, on the other hand has done zilch, zip, nada, nothing. The only thing she has done is come up with a load of cash to try to save her own butt.

 

[debs]

The point was who is searching for Kyron. Obviously Terri cannot, for reasons posted.

Why is that another free shot to demonstrate how horrible Terri is? She can't do it for very good reasons. In fact, Kyron's parents have made it nearly impossible for her to leave her home without surely being harangued. How ever deserved people might think it is, like Puf says, who would want her anywhere near a search for Kyron without an officer right behind her?

Moot point. She can't, they can't. For good reasons.

 

[pufnstuf]

The point was who is searching for Kyron. Obviously Terri cannot, for reasons posted.

Why is that another free shot to demonstrate how horrible Terri is? She can't do it for very good reasons. In fact, Kyron's parents have made it nearly impossible for her to leave her home without surely being harangued. How ever deserved people might think it is, like Puf says, who would want her anywhere near a search for Kyron without an officer right behind her?

Moot point. She can't, they can't. For good reasons.

BUT... and this is the big but...

Kaine and Desiree are doing EVERYTHING physically, mentally, emotionally possible to find Kyron. They have been doing so since Day 1.

And Terri is doing.... nada. Not one plea. Not one TEAR. NOTHING.

 

[debs]

Kaine and Desiree's fundraising efforts, media handling, and public interactions have resulted in exactly the same result as Terri. If Terri is innocent, they have made it apparent they do not want anything from her except for her to admit to doing something to their son, which she will not do because she has a very smart attorney. If Terri is guilty, they have made it apparent that they will bully her until she tells them what they want to know,which she will not do because she has a very smart attorney.

This is a zero sum strategy, and I don't understand it. They will never get what they want from Terri. And people just assume it's because she knows, and wants to hurt them more and more. I just leave open the possibility that she cannot do anything more because she didn't do anything. It's a possibility, not a conclusion.

And now it will have to be LE that sorts it all out and present us with a conclusion.

Here's something I've wondered: Are there statistics which show the money spent/raised for selling t-shirts, buttons, bracelets, and the like.....does an effort like this ever really help? I mean, a walking billboard is better than a stationary one, for sure. But has it ever been documented where a child was found because someone saw their picture on a milk carton, t-shirt, or read his/her name on a bracelet?

This isn't a criticism for Kaine and Desiree. I have wondered this through several cases now.

 

[pufnstuf]

Kaine and Desiree's fundraising efforts, media handling, and public interactions have resulted in exactly the same result as Terri. If Terri is innocent, they have made it apparent they do not want anything from her except for her to admit to doing something to their son, which she will not do because she has a very smart attorney. If Terri is guilty, they have made it apparent that they will bully her until she tells them what they want to know,which she will not do because she has a very smart attorney.

This is a zero sum strategy, and I don't understand it. They will never get what they want from Terri. And people just assume it's because she knows, and wants to hurt them more and more. I just leave open the possibility that she cannot do anything more because she didn't do anything. It's a possibility, not a conclusion.

And now it will have to be LE that sorts it all out and present us with a conclusion.

Here's something I've wondered: Are there statistics which show the money spent/raised for selling t-shirts, buttons, bracelets, and the like.....does an effort like this ever really help? I mean, a walking billboard is better than a stationary one, for sure. But has it ever been documented where a child was found because someone saw their picture on a milk carton, t-shirt, or read his/her name on a bracelet?

This isn't a criticism for Kaine and Desiree. I have wondered this through several cases now.

Everything... EVERYTHING... that Kaine and Desiree have done so far has kept Kyron in the news.

Tee shirts, bracelets, buttons, vigils, billboards, and the likes serve a very important purpose. I would think that most people would recognize that purpose, but for those who don't, I'll say what I think. Those items and events serve to keep the child's face and name out there, but even more importantly the serve as a means for the community to feel supportive of the family and the child, to do something.

Meanwhile, Terri's been doing.... NADA.