Who thinks Patsy is a normal mom and why?

[BrotherMoon]

This is an interesting statement.

Exactly what information do you have that helped you form this opinion? Please share.

Pink, make a pyramid out of aluminum foil, go outside at night, put the foil on your head, gaze at the stars and you will get much the same information. :crazy:

 

[KATKAT19691]

Now ladies... let's not get snippy with one another -- you know, like catty cheerleaders and beauty queens are known to do. :crazy:

By the way, KATKAT... you spelled Tressa's name wrong in your little shout-out.
But I am sure you looked positively adorable while you where doing it.

Pink, was not going for spelling was going for the point, which I guess you missed. People like you often look for the mistakes in others to cover there own so you can have this one. By the way have you met Brothermoon, you seem to remind me a bit of him. Hmmmm.

Sorry you were one of those left sitting in the stands, but dont take it out on us that were not let it go, maybe in the next life time you will get up and take part in life instead of being a spectator.

I don't know any beauty queens, or cheerleaders that get as you say "catty", only people with no class or intell. resort such actions. Cheering and beauty, both require excellence in education. Pay attention, Miss America is college educated. Just a little fact for you, 96% of all girls that cheer on a high school level or in comp. for at least 3 years also, become college educated.

By the way you are right, I look positively adorable doing everything, so thank you for saying so..

Kat
IMO

 

[KATKAT19691]

Pink,

I guess you must be new here, maybe you should take the time to read some of BlueCrab's prev. post. This will explain to you exact. how he came to his conclusion. We are all pretty nice to each other here, we respect each other opinion and we try not to attack, with one exception, Brothermoon. We have come to know and love him for what he is and honestly I don't know that we have room in our hearts for another like him. We have all had to expand our hearts to make room for him and we can not take another, so please try not to attack the others, if ya want to know someones theory, just ask. Anyone one will be glad to tell you, trust me.

IMO
Kat

 

[TLynn]

The Butler Door was open because John Fernie entered the house that way.

JonBenet did NOT vomit - I stand by Blue Crab's timeline re: dinner time and digestion of food. This information is taken from the various books written.

Elizabeth Smart, Danielle Van Dam and Polly Klaas were all taken OUT OF THEIR HOMES. (apology for misspelled names) and were sexual crimes ending in murder (Smart, thank God, had a happy ending). If an intruder wanted to abduct and sexually assault/murder a child you remove them from the home.

I believe there is a strong sexual element belonging to cheerleaders and beauty pageants. Just ask men!

Bluecrab, if the Grand Jury concluded Burke's involvement, then they would not have pretended to continue the case. The case would not be open. Yes, the law protects under 10 years of age, and your theory would be right on - IF they didn't continue to spend millions of taxpayers dollars after the Grand Jury disbanded.

In addition, even if they could not be prosecuted - juvenile authoritites would have still entered the picture. There would have been a follow-up and then the files closed and sealed.

In addition, I don't believe John & Patsy would have continued lawsuits on Burke's behalf - not if there was knowledge of Burke's guilty within law enforcement.

 

[infinitepink]

KatKat and Tressa:

If you go back and re-read my original post, you will see that I never attacked anyone personally. I stated my opinions. You two were the ones who got your noses bent out of joint and came after ME. I merely tried to deflect your attacks with a little pointed humor.

Mind you, I've posted other places at Websleuths and have never had a problem. If people disagreed with my posts elsewhere, they POLITELY said so.
If I disagreed with theirs, I POLITELY said so.

You're just being served up exactly the same attitude you dished out, girls. I suggest that we don't address each other any further since it's obvious we don't see eye to eye on things and can't seem to be civil to one another. Agreed?

 

[infinitepink]

Infinite,

I don't have any more information about this crime than any other private citizen.

My JonBenet murder theory is based on Burke and one or more other very young boys as the perps, and the grand jury solving the case in 1999.

However, since the Colorado Children's Code makes it illegal to even mention the name of an offender under 10 years of age who was involved in a major crime, the truth will never be officially known to the public. But there are ways to figure out what likely occurred in the death of JonBenet.

For instance, the lies and coverup tactics by the Ramseys seem to point to an effort to shield Burke. This began on day one when the Ramseys lied to the police about Burke being in bed until 7 A.M., when the enhanced 911 tape proved Burke was up and engaged in conversations with his parents at 5:52 A.M.

Efforts to shield Burke also included when John lied under oath about the Ramsey/Stine relationship during a deposition in an obvious attempt to distance Burke Ramsey and Doug Stine from one another, when the two boys were actually the best of friends.

Grand jury behavior also influenced me. The jurors quizzed Burke, a "little boy who was asleep and didn't know anything" for 5 hours on May 19, 1999. The jurors took a 4-month hiatus after Burke's testimony as investigators checked out what Burke had told them . At the end of the 13-month grand jury investigation the jurors called in Susan Stine, but they never called the two most important witnesses in the case -- John and Patsy Ramsey. The jurors obviously had all the information they needed to solve the killing. When the GJ permanently adjourned in October of 1999 the court immediately slapped a gag order on everyone involved, funding for an active investigation ceased, and that's where the case stands to this day.

There are numerous items of evidence in support my conclusion that Burke killed JonBenet or knows who killed her, and at least one other boy was likely also involved. These items of evidence include DNA evidence, handwriting evidence, and polygraph evidence.

JMO

Thank you for answering so completely, BlueCrab. I have a brother-in-law who served on a recent Colorado Grand Jury, so when you mentioned it my interest was piqued.

I've never heard of the Colorado Children's Code before; this opens up an entire new avenue of exploration for me. My suspicions have always been towards Patsy. I'm not so sure now after hearing your theory.

Thanks again.

 

[KATKAT19691]

Any activity that sexualizes a child is wrong. Period.

Pageants and cheerleading sexualize children before they are able to comprehend what is happening. I, for one, would not want to mess up a kid's head like that. The effects can (and often do) last a lifetime.

To say that "it's usually people who could not compete in pageants, etc." is absurd. Some of us incredibly beautiful people just have more common sense than to exploit ourselves or our children simply for the ego-stroke.

Lastly, JonBenet was special because she was a gift from God, not because she was able to perform like a trained poodle. Being born into wealth may have given her many opportunities in life, but with loathsome parents like John and Patsy that poor child didn't have a chance. She became their creation, which I suspect was far from who she would have become if she had been allowed to have a healthy childhood.

No one will ever know who JonBenet truly was because of them.

That is all I see is a personal attack.

IMO

 

[KATKAT19691]

The Butler Door was open because John Fernie entered the house that way.

JonBenet did NOT vomit - I stand by Blue Crab's timeline re: dinner time and digestion of food. This information is taken from the various books written.

Elizabeth Smart, Danielle Van Dam and Polly Klaas were all taken OUT OF THEIR HOMES. (apology for misspelled names) and were sexual crimes ending in murder (Smart, thank God, had a happy ending). If an intruder wanted to abduct and sexually assault/murder a child you remove them from the home.

I believe there is a strong sexual element belonging to cheerleaders and beauty pageants. Just ask men!

Bluecrab, if the Grand Jury concluded Burke's involvement, then they would not have pretended to continue the case. The case would not be open. Yes, the law protects under 10 years of age, and your theory would be right on - IF they didn't continue to spend millions of taxpayers dollars after the Grand Jury disbanded.

In addition, even if they could not be prosecuted - juvenile authoritites would have still entered the picture. There would have been a follow-up and then the files closed and sealed.

In addition, I don't believe John & Patsy would have continued lawsuits on Burke's behalf - not if there was knowledge of Burke's guilty within law enforcement.

The intention was never to kill Smart, it was to hold her hostage for the rest of her life and it almost worked. How do we know that the same kind of people did not go after JBR? Maybe killing her was an accident, she would not be quite, to get her to be quite, hit her and mayber harder than you would want to given the excitement you must have been feeling? If someone close to family could they not have planned to make it look like RN was fake so to take any heat off of intruder. Maybe pratice PR handwriting? Just something to think about? If they did not mean to kill her would explain why they covered her.

IMO

 

[BlueCrab]

The Butler Door was open because John Fernie entered the house that way.

JonBenet did NOT vomit - I stand by Blue Crab's timeline re: dinner time and digestion of food. This information is taken from the various books written.

Elizabeth Smart, Danielle Van Dam and Polly Klaas were all taken OUT OF THEIR HOMES. (apology for misspelled names) and were sexual crimes ending in murder (Smart, thank God, had a happy ending). If an intruder wanted to abduct and sexually assault/murder a child you remove them from the home.

I believe there is a strong sexual element belonging to cheerleaders and beauty pageants. Just ask men!

Bluecrab, if the Grand Jury concluded Burke's involvement, then they would not have pretended to continue the case. The case would not be open. Yes, the law protects under 10 years of age, and your theory would be right on - IF they didn't continue to spend millions of taxpayers dollars after the Grand Jury disbanded.

In addition, even if they could not be prosecuted - juvenile authoritites would have still entered the picture. There would have been a follow-up and then the files closed and sealed.

In addition, I don't believe John & Patsy would have continued lawsuits on Burke's behalf - not if there was knowledge of Burke's guilty within law enforcement.

TLynn,

o John Fernie read the note upside down while looking through the glass at the butler's door, but he didn't enter there because the butler door was locked. Fernie then went around to the front of the house and was let in.

o The grand jury didn't continue the case after it adjouned in October of 1999. Once a GJ adjourns it is disbanded forever. There were no further funds allocated to the police or the D.A. for an active investigation after the GJ adjourned. There were only maintenance funds and dwindling monies left over in the active investigation budget available to gradually wind the case down (which took several years to do).

o Juvenile authorities were indeed involved in the case. In cases like this, with perps too young to prosecute, the decision on what to do with it is put upon the shoulders of the district attorney. The D.A., Alex Hunter, would have had complete authority to resolve the case in any way he deemed appropriate and still protect the identity of the children. People, under the Colorado Children's Code, are legally permitted to lie to protect the identities.

o The lawsuits, as you know, are the products of Lin Wood. I think Lin Wood believes that the best defense is a good offense, so that is what he's been doing to protect the identity of Burke. I doubt that any money has exchanged hands as a result of the settlements.

JMO

 

[sissi]

John Fernie, "I drove my car into the -- up the alley and parked in the back of your house, and went around to the patio door, which was a glass door leading into the kitchen and back of the house, and didn't see anybody, but saw a piece of paper laying on the floor. Looked at that. It was facing the other direction. Read it. And after the first few lines realized something very strange was happening. And so I ran around to the front of the house and knocked on the door and was let in."
http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/art/extra/ramsey/thm/img073.html

Response: "The basement window was found open on the morning of Dec. 26, and the butler pantry door, which led to the outside, was found unlocked and open. Most likely the killer entered or left by one of these routes."

Are they talking about the same door?

When the first police arrived did they find this door, and shut it? Fernie makes no mention of it being opened.

 

[TressaRing28]

Now ladies... let's not get snippy with one another -- you know, like catty cheerleaders and beauty queens are known to do.

But I am sure you looked positively adorable while you where doing it.

Oh thank you Pink, I know Kat and I are very attractive chicks.
You sound sad like, the little girl who always got picked last...


Give yourself a cheer, and let the spirit grab ya.

Justice for JonBenet,
Tressa

 

[TressaRing28]

John Fernie, "I drove my car into the -- up the alley and parked in the back of your house, and went around to the patio door, which was a glass door leading into the kitchen and back of the house, and didn't see anybody, but saw a piece of paper laying on the floor. Looked at that. It was facing the other direction. Read it. And after the first few lines realized something very strange was happening. And so I ran around to the front of the house and knocked on the door and was let in."
http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/art/extra/ramsey/thm/img073.html

Response: "The basement window was found open on the morning of Dec. 26, and the butler pantry door, which led to the outside, was found unlocked and open. Most likely the killer entered or left by one of these routes."

Are they talking about the same door?
When the first police arrived did they find this door, and shut it? Fernie makes no mention of it being opened.

I have always thought that if indeed there was an intruder, he left by the Butler Pantry door. The Butler Pantry Door was not a sliding door,but a single door.

 

[TressaRing28]

TLynn,

o John Fernie read the note upside down while looking through the glass at the butler's door, but he didn't enter there because the butler door was locked. Fernie then went around to the front of the house and was let in.


JMO

Blue Crab, Fernie never said the Butler pantry door was locked!

 

[TressaRing28]

Now ladies... let's not get snippy with one another -- you know, like catty cheerleaders and beauty queens are known to do. :crazy:

By the way, KATKAT... you spelled Tressa's name wrong in your little shout-out.

.

Pink, Tressa is the correct spelling. Truly it wasn't a shout out but indeed a Cheer :razz:


Have a cheerful day,
Tressa

 

[Nehemiah]

In my opinion,

normal=yes

typical=yes, for a woman from the South

 

[Jayelles]

I think Patsy is a colourful character who would make an entertaining friend/wife/mother. I have a friend who is very Patsy-ish and in fact, she too is a former beauty queen. She's so full of energy that she always makes me feel as though I am wading through mud. She's charming, attractive and very creative. She's a trained hair stylist who knits, sews, paints and plays the piano extremely well. She's also an officer in the Salvation Army although I don't know her in any religious context. Her house is like a showhome and she redecorates it from top to bottom about once every two years.

We met when we had our first babies at the same time and we hit it off because we have a similar sense of humour. We've kept in touch over the years and our kids get along well.

My friend is rather shallow but that's just the way she is. She's the friend who would come along to help you move house and she'd look fantastic in her "working clothes" and she'd actually not do anything - although she'd make everyone laugh and she'd offer loads of advice about how to decorate the new house....

She loves her kids and they are nice kids who have done well at school. As a family, they are incredibly materialistic but good fun nevertheless.

 

[Nehemiah]

She sounds like many of my friends. A few are definitely more "over the top" than others but for the most part, Patsy is like most (not all, but most) women from the South. Not being able to find your lipstick brand/color is certainly a reason to move back home.

 

[KATKAT19691]

you may have something here, it never occured to me that may be why some may have so much of a problem with her actions. A cultural difference. Maybe that is why the actions she took seem so logical to me and so strange to others. Southern people are different, esp. deep south.

kat
imo

 

[twizzler333]

Yes we are different.....and for some stinking reason everybody wants to move down here!!! :doh:

 

[why_nutt]

She sounds like many of my friends. A few are definitely more "over the top" than others but for the most part, Patsy is like most (not all, but most) women from the South. Not being able to find your lipstick brand/color is certainly a reason to move back home.

I cannot find any evidence to really support that viewpoint. You would think that if Patsy was "like most...women of the South," then her friends who were also from the South would find nothing particularly remarkable about her, because they, also being from the South, act the same way. But this does not happen. They, themselves, all express surprise at how over-the-top Patsy was, and how they were not like her at all. Really, read JONBENET'S MOTHER and you will not find a single person within who says, "Patsy was nothing special, I liked to paint my house in five different shades of yellow because I never knew which one I liked, and Patsy was the same way." You will not find this, unless by some amazing coincidence Patsy made friends exclusively with women who were not at all like "most" Southern women.

If we judge a person by the friends they make, then Patsy chose to make friends with child-beating screaming mothers, because they all admire Patsy for not hitting JonBenet and Burke, and not yelling at the children. What kind of person goes out of their way to admire and adore another person for doing what they do themselves? Nobody, generally; we admire those who do what we wish we could do but would find hard or impossible to do ourselves.