"Who would leave children that young alone?"

[ScarlettScarpetta]

It's cold in Iceland!

There's no evidence that they ever did this in England or any evidence that the children weren't loved and cared for. I personally think that because they'd used a listening service before and that this is acceptable in some parts of Europe that they felt a false sense of security with doing it themselves.

Yep. And that is the point. They say it is good for the babies and they just leave them out on the curb, in courtyards whereever they can put them to nap in the cold.

 

[PrivateInvestigator]

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Seriously? :banghead:

Yes parents may wish to dine with other adults sometimes. That's why they have this new fangled invention called a Babysitter.

So, let's review. They wanted to eat and party with other adults. Check
So, they hired a babysitter right? No? what they couldn't afford it? No?
:bananajump::bananajump:
Wait now, I think I've got it.............I know, I know .....they are bad parents.[/QUOTE]

I will say that I am surprised they were not convicted of child endangerment, but in Spain... Who knows what acts are considered to endanger a child.

In the US they Defo would have been hit with that charge IMOO.

 

[PrivateInvestigator]

Yep. And that is the point. They say it is good for the babies and they just leave them out on the curb, in courtyards whereever they can put them to nap in the cold.

Yup

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[SapphireSteel]

Yup

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Could not be more different.

The above mothers are Europeans, from extremely cold climates. It is done for the health of the baby, not the freedom of the mother. The mothers are right behind that window there.

Gerry and Kate went to an entirely different part of the resort. There were swimming pools and stairs between them and their children, as well as metres to walk, as well as a completely obscured view. They were NOT close enough to hear them cry.

I wish this would stop being used as a justification. The mothers who indulge in the above practise are European, furthermore Europeans who live in the Arctic Circle. They also do things like roll in the snow for their health, the snow is part of their culture.

The McCanns are not European they are British, where it is a national obsession to keep warm....that's why they fly to Portugal in the first place.

:cow:

 

[Linda7NJ]

Seriously. They put a plan into practice that all of the parents were in agreement with. They took turns checking on the kids.
Them wanting to eat alone and have some drinks means nothing as it pertains to the case. IT only proves they are normal adults. Their Child watching scheme is odd and yet they all thought it was okay..


PS. fixed your quote issue..

Would be different if each person took a turn STAYING with the children. They could have put all the kids in one room and rotated parents so they weren't left alone.


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[Venom]

Wouldn't they be at least guilty of neglect?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Could not be more different.

The above mothers are Europeans, from extremely cold climates. It is done for the health of the baby, not the freedom of the mother. The mothers are right behind that window there.

Gerry and Kate went to an entirely different part of the resort. There were swimming pools and stairs between them and their children, as well as metres to walk, as well as a completely obscured view. They were NOT close enough to hear them cry.

I wish this would stop being used as a justification. The mothers who indulge in the above practise are European, furthermore Europeans who live in the Arctic Circle. They also do things like roll in the snow for their health, the snow is part of their culture.

The McCanns are not European they are British, where it is a national obsession to keep warm....that's why they fly to Portugal in the first place.

:cow:

It is not different. They leave the kids outside alone. They leave them in courtyards unattended checking on them from upper floors once in a while..

It is not justification. IT is what it is. A practice that we would not do hear in US that is accepted in another part of the world.

 

[SapphireSteel]

Would be different if each person took a turn STAYING with the children. They could have put all the kids in one room and rotated parents so they weren't left alone.


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The other parents did...or, they stayed in with their children.

The McCanns didn't stay in once, furthermore, what sort of dinner routinely goes on for 4.5 hours?

Only the very well lubricated ones in my experience. :cheers:

As doctors, they should know drinking every night is bingeing/abusing by definition. You are supposed to have alcohol free days in between. Drinking in excess every night is actually a sign of a problem.

:moo:

:twocents:

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Wouldn't they be at least guilty of neglect?

Apparently not. They were never charged with that or anything like that.

 

[Gem2626]

The other parents did...or, they stayed in with their children.

The McCanns didn't stay in once, furthermore, what sort of dinner routinely goes on for 4.5 hours?

Only the very well lubricated ones in my experience. :cheers:

As doctors, they should know drinking every night is bingeing/abusing by definition. You are supposed to have alcohol free days in between. Drinking in excess every night is actually a sign of a problem.

:moo:

:twocents:

Oh come on they were on holiday! I used to be a drug and alcohol worker for young people and know all the dangers but when I go on holiday I am going to have a drink doesn't mean I drink every night at home or that I have a problem.

This post is extremely judgemental

 

[PrivateInvestigator]

Could not be more different.

The above mothers are Europeans, from extremely cold climates. It is done for the health of the baby, not the freedom of the mother. The mothers are right behind that window there.

Gerry and Kate went to an entirely different part of the resort. There were swimming pools and stairs between them and their children, as well as metres to walk, as well as a completely obscured view. They were NOT close enough to hear them cry.

I wish this would stop being used as a justification. The mothers who indulge in the above practise are European, furthermore Europeans who live in the Arctic Circle. They also do things like roll in the snow for their health, the snow is part of their culture.

The McCanns are not European they are British, where it is a national obsession to keep warm....that's why they fly to Portugal in the first place.

:cow:

Sapphire, I'm not using this as justification... I completely agree with you that in England the mindset is less European than some might think. I've been to England and there is a sense of stoic independence. People in England do not seem to stress over their children in the same way Americans do, from what I gathered being in areas like Newcastle and South Yorkshire.

I'm Just presenting an avenue for understanding that not everyone in every culture rears their children the same.

I have mentioned above that I do believe had they been in the USA when they left those kids irresponsibly on the other side of a resort, they would and SHOULD face child endangerment charges.

 

[Venom]

JMO here, but if the parents wanted to have dinner and drinks every night, they should have been a lot more responsible about it. They're parents with young children, their responsibilities were to the children. Hire a babysitter, have one parent stay in, but always make sure an adult is there with the kids. They were away for a few hours at a time, not responsible parenting at all. Dinner and drinks were more important to them.
MOO

 

[PrivateInvestigator]

The other parents did...or, they stayed in with their children.

The McCanns didn't stay in once, furthermore, what sort of dinner routinely goes on for 4.5 hours?

Only the very well lubricated ones in my experience. :cheers:

As doctors, they should know drinking every night is bingeing/abusing by definition. You are supposed to have alcohol free days in between. Drinking in excess every night is actually a sign of a problem.

:moo:

:twocents:

Lol well lubricated dinners? Ew! Hehe :blush:

 

[Linda7NJ]

Oh come on they were on holiday! I used to be a drug and alcohol worker for young people and know all the dangers but when I go on holiday I am going to have a drink doesn't mean I drink every night at home or that I have a problem.

This post is extremely judgemental

I'm a judgemental gal!

I don't drink when vacationing with my child in a foreign country.... Or this country... Come to think of it, I rarely drink at all.... I'm too busy being a decent role model and whatnot


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[PrivateInvestigator]

I think the parents were just ignorant and living within the pipe dream of false security. While on vacation, people have a psychological mindset of everything going perfect and having respite.

I honestly believe the parents had too much trust in the safety of the resort and the reality of their environment and the potential accidents/crimes that could occur in said area. People have a false sense of security on vacation, especially people from the western world. They psychologically believe that everyone in that resort is like them :trust worthy and in need of a break.

Some people are responsible while on vacation.

Some people (McCann's) are not responsible and are no more than grown up children trying to relive their youth and escape from the kids and have "mommy daddy time". I can't say I agree with them leaving their kids for their soirée, but I understand psychologically how some people can "let go" of responsibility and time while on holiday.

Idk. I wouldn't do it. I'd get a sitter or put the kid in a children's babysitting program set up by the hotel (most have them.......)

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

JMO here, but if the parents wanted to have dinner and drinks every night, they should have been a lot more responsible about it. They're parents with young children, their responsibilities were to the children. Hire a babysitter, have one parent stay in, but always make sure an adult is there with the kids. They were away for a few hours at a time, not responsible parenting at all. Dinner and drinks were more important to them.
MOO

I was reading this and thought, Why does it matter. If you believe that The McCanns are guilty of hurting Maddie and hiding her body, Then what does them drinking and their child watching plan matter?

I don't like it, But apparently it did not rise to criminal activity in Portugal.
So that is that.
What I know is that Jane saw a man carrying a child, that was most likely Madeleine and that he has not been found.
That says someone else was involved.

 

[tezi]

I was reading this and thought, Why does it matter. If you believe that The McCanns are guilty of hurting Maddie and hiding her body, Then what does them drinking and their child watching plan matter?

I don't like it, But apparently it did not rise to criminal activity in Portugal.
So that is that.
What I know is that Jane saw a man carrying a child, that was most likely Madeleine and that he has not been found.
That says someone else was involved.

Again, this is your opinion. Please state it as such.

JMO

My new signature: "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a Dapper Dan."

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Again, this is your opinion. Please state it as such.

JMO

My new signature: "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a Dapper Dan."

That is not my opinion. It is fact that Jane saw someone carrying the child away. It happens to be just before Maddie is noticed missing. The odds are staggering.



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[Deleted member 39678]

I was reading this and thought, Why does it matter. If you believe that The McCanns are guilty of hurting Maddie and hiding her body, Then what does them drinking and their child watching plan matter?

I don't like it, But apparently it did not rise to criminal activity in Portugal.
So that is that.
What I know is that Jane saw a man carrying a child, that was most likely Madeleine and that he has not been found.
That says someone else was involved.

Having a person report that they saw a man carrying a child away does say it's possible that an intruder took Madeleine from her parents that night.

 

[PrivateInvestigator]

Again, this is your opinion. Please state it as such.

JMO

My new signature: "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a Dapper Dan."

Not being snarky here... Is it always just safe to write In my opinion at the end of posts? I'm fairly new to board etiquette. Thanks. :seeya: