Yes, kate said she did after the fact wonder, but when they tested the children no traces were found. Sedatives take a long time to kill someone, they would not kill someone within an hour,
The time frame is 4.5 hours
unless perhaps they had taken gallons. And they had not gone out boozing, they had drank wine with dinner which is quite normal.
Also before dinner, while still in the apartment...but who's counting drinks when you're away on holidays and have no responsibilities? On previous evenings the tapas party had continued revelling until nearly midnight.
One cannot just say parents who use a listening service are bad in your opinion, so therefore they must use drugs to sedate their children as well, and therefore they must be capable of covering up a child's death and hiding their body, as are their friends
Yes one can.
and people they do not know that well (they did not know all of the tapas 9 well).
Many people think those who let their children walk to school alone
Again, toddlers and babies ARE NOT school age children, and a foreign hotel room at night IS NOT comparable to walking a public path in the light of day- this argument is irrelevant.
are bad parents, but thousands do it, and it does not mean if the child disappears on the way to school the parents must be involved because obviously anyone so irresponsible they do not bother to check their child gets to school safely must be capable of killing their child and covering it up. It's opinion on what constitutes good parenting or not, some people think listenign services are good, some people think it is good to let children walk to school alone, yet others think these are bad parenting practices.
It is not hard and fast fact, and certainly making a parenting mistake
Oops! Just a little oversight...three babies alone...
does not make someone is capable of what people are accusing the mccanns of doing.
What does make someone capable then? Fangs and horns growing out of their heads? Over and over we see "normal" parents neglecting/abusing/killing their children with no outward signs of anything amiss.
You claim they drugged their children so they did not have to bother with them waking, yet they checked on the child.
The evening before, NO checking went on. Why was this evening different?
At what point do you think she died. She was seen alive and well at six by a nanny, and at six thirty by David Payne, the McCanns went to dinner two hours later, Gerry was seen going to check on her at approx. nine, and chatted to someone in the street for a few minutes afterwards, Matt Oldfield checked but did not see madeleine at nine thirty, and at ten Kate went to check, and came running out to alert people. At what point did Madeleine die (bearing in mind sedatives take a while to kill someone, and if anyone was with them they would have chance to help them),
Madeline was last seen alive at 5.30pm.
and her parents hide her body, hide all evidence and hatch a plot with their friends to cover up the crime. No reports seeing them between six thirty and eight thirty, how were they hiding her body?
No-one can come up with a theory that fits the facts and witness statements.
No one can come up with anything, mainly because K&G refused to co-operate and basic facts are still unclear. Amaral requested a reconstruction and this was never done.
No-one can come up with a good theory as to why they would not just have said she took the drugs herself thinking they were sweets or something. Also children who were sedated every night would show signs, yet no-one recalls seeing anything wrong with them.
If they had confessed that their daughter died not only because of their own negligence, but also because they had physically harmed her they may well have both lost their careers. If Madeline had been subjected to an autopsy they may well have found evidence that the drugging had been going on for a long, long period of time, not just one or two bad evenings. This may have cost them their freedom. Certainly a motive IMO, and a strong one.
The twins slept through everything, including being hovered over by an abductor, their parents, policemen, staff, visitors, whoever took them to another room and put them back to bed. KM was also witnessed holding her hand in front of their faces as one would to check if a person was breathing or not. Further, the twins bed sheets had vanished.
No the time frame is two hours. Madeleine was seen alive and well at six by a nanny, she was then seen alive and well by Payne at six thirty. Between eight thirty and ten Kate and gerry never left the table together and each are only unaccounted for for five minutes.
No report states the childrens bed sheets had vanished. This sort of rumour has been put about by people like the "madeleine mccann research group" which is not really a research group and just spreads misinformation. Hence they can be banned from printing them.
All the group said they checked the children every night (apart from the couple that had a monitor), staff in the tapas bar say this too. that si why they went to the tapas bar, it was close (fifty metres directly, 76 to walk) so the bar allowed them to boo it up for the week and actually wrote in their reservations book that they needed to book so they were close to the children to check on them.
And why is it ok that a school age child walks alone. School age children get abducted all the time, so whilst they may be safer left in a flat they are not safe left walking to school. So a parent who lets their child walk to school knowing abduction is a risk, is just as bad or as good a parent as one who leaves them alone for half an hour. The fact is that it is legal in most of Europe to leave children asleep and check on them every half an hour, hence listening services are commonly used. If it was illegal listening services would also be illegal.
And plenty of people have come up with theories as to what happened. The british police believe she was abducted as that fits the facts, and fits in with the other attacks on tourist children in the area. But some people decide to ignore the facts, claim anyone who states something that means the mccanns could not do it is obviously part of a conspiracy. I have heard people say the British government, police, FSS, the portuguese prosecution service, all witnesses etc must be "in on it". It would be comical if it were not so serious.
making up ideas such as "well if they had drugged her" and then adjusting the facts to fit in with it to claim that was a really good motive, means nothing. We could claim that they covered it up because they did not want not be caught running an international drug cartel, that they did not want their real identities as russian spies or former IRA terrorists exposed etc and therefore that would be a good motive. The fact is the children were tested a few weeks later (and the drugs would stay in their hairs for more than this time), and nothing was found. It is also a fact that three years before Joana Cipriano disappeared just seven miles away and was never found (and courts rules her mother was tortured by police), yeremi Vargos disappeared two months before Madeleine McCann in Gran Canaria (and two suspects were known to have posed as holiday flat cleaners there, and were also known to travel in Portugal around the same time Madeleine McCann disappeared), and several other British children were abused by an intruder who broke into holiday flats all within an hour of PDL. these facts are much more relevant to madeleine mccans disappearence, than made up stories that always begin with "well, maybe if they had been doing such and such that would be good motive for the parents).
