"Who would leave children that young alone?"

[ScarlettScarpetta]

The only hink I see here is from the book writing dismissed Amaral.

 

[LinasK]

What it means as pertains to this case is that they were negligent parents, so when Madeline died as a result of either their drugging her to sleep or an accident such as falling down the stairs they needed to cover it up or be charged with a crime.

So, their wanting to eat and drink alone did have something pretty major to do with this case.

I don't care that their friends were also negligent. I used to try that "my friend gets to do whatever" argument with my parents when I was 6. It didn't work then either.

It is one thing to argue whether or not people want to believe in this "abduction" which I clearly do not. But to argue that leaving 3 babies home alone is anything less than irresponsible is absurd. Even if you believe she really was abducted, that would not have happened if she had not been left unattended so her irresponsible parents could eat, drink and party with their friends.

There have been cases here in the US where people have left their child unattended because they had to go to work. You know, to buy their children food and shelter. At least there I can sympathize with the decision.

Leave your kids alone so you can party with adults? Sorry, no sympathy, none, nada.

Irrespohsible parents any way you cut it. The fact that people act like they are some kind of tragic hero's is nuts. Whatever happened to that child, they are responsible. Period.

Post of the year!!!:rockon::rockon::rockon::drumroll:

 

[Linda7NJ]

Post of the year!!!:rockon::rockon::rockon::drumroll:

I think it's incredibly troubling that the McCanns never admitted this, never seemed to feel the least bit guilty about it... Publicly anyway. They continued to defend their behavior.

That's not normal. Normal parents, especially mothers feel guilty even when things are not their fault!


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[ScarlettScarpetta]

I think it's incredibly troubling that the McCanns never admitted this, never seemed to feel the least bit guilty about it... Publicly anyway. They continued to defend their behavior.

That's not normal. Normal parents, especially mothers feel guilty even when things are not their fault!


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Why? Do they owe the world anything? The world that has pointed to them and accused them of unspeakable things?

Meh.

Not me. No matter what they say people vilify them.

There is no proof that Madeleine is even dead. If the Police really believed the dogs, What would be the point of putting out posters with the suspected child abductor on it.
I think they believed Jane much more.

 

[SapphireSteel]

Portugal is a very child centric society - they include their children in everything - which is partially why the local LE had such trouble with this case.

They had never heard of anything like it re. swanning off and leaving your kids alone. It just isn't done in Portugal, children are with family at all times.

You could be cynical, like me, and wonder if Portugal was chosen as a great place to "lose" your troublesome child even before she left the UK - inexperienced LE, a small fishing village jutting out into the ocean, nearby borders - there could be few places with as many "escape routes"...if you are going to stage a kidnapping that is.

:cow:

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Portugal is a very child centric society - they include their children in everything - which is partially why the local LE had such trouble with this case.

They had never heard of anything like it re. swanning off and leaving your kids alone. It just isn't done in Portugal, children are with family at all times.

You could be cynical, like me, and wonder if Portugal was chosen as a great place to "lose" your troublesome child even before she left the UK - inexperienced LE, a small fishing village jutting out into the ocean, nearby borders - there could be few places with as many "escape routes"...if you are going to stage a kidnapping that is.

:cow:

I doubt that is true. PEople all parent differently so to say that they all take their kids everywhere is not exactly accurate.

All that is just speculation and has no basis in fact. The fact remains that someone saw Maddie be carried off. More than one person possibly.

Nothing about these parents says they harmed their children. Nothing.

 

[Donjeta]

I doubt that is true. PEople all parent differently so to say that they all take their kids everywhere is not exactly accurate.

All that is just speculation and has no basis in fact. The fact remains that someone saw Maddie be carried off. More than one person possibly.

Nothing about these parents says they harmed their children. Nothing.

Someone saw a child being carried.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Someone saw a child being carried.

Jane says it was madeleine. I believe her.

 

[Donjeta]

Jane says it was madeleine. I believe her.

It could have been but she did not actually see that it was Madeleine.

 

[Gem2626]

Jane says it was madeleine. I believe her.

Jane believes now it was Madeleine but did not see the child's face so could not say 100% it was Madeleine.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Someone saw a child being carried.

Her first version... He was carrying a bundle, could have been a child. She couldn't see his face.




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[ScarlettScarpetta]

It could have been but she did not actually see that it was Madeleine.

She knew madeleine. She believes it was madeleine and since madeleine went missing right at that time, It makes sense.. There are no other reports of missing children there.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Her first version... He was carrying a bundle, could have been a child. She couldn't see his face.




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Yes. She realized what she saw. I believe her. She has no vested interest in lying or making anything up.

 

[Donjeta]

She knew madeleine. She believes it was madeleine and since madeleine went missing right at that time, It makes sense.. There are no other reports of missing children there.

She knew Madeleine but she did not see this child's face to identify her 100%.

Maybe it was Madeleine. However, there's no reason that I can see why all the children being carried must be missing. I've carried mine plenty of times and they have never been reported missing.

 

[SapphireSteel]

You asked for a theory and I gave one. You are unable to give a theory because anything that points at the McCanns being guilty is believed despite the fact that it contradicts other information. You are unable to dismiss anything that does not support any one of your theories. It makes no sense. What do you actually believe happened?

Why is it so unbelievable that Jerry did not see the abductor?

Jane Tanners statement did not differ hugely in description and there was NO lies about windows and door locks. Their account was consistent. I posted links to the police files only yesterday regarding both of these.

Unfortunately your theory is essentially impossible.

Jeremy Wilkins is the unforseen fly in the ointment, as are the Smith family.

If neither of these two independent witnesses had not seen what they claimed, it would be easy to account for Tanner's abductor.

As far as the description of what she saw changing, lets look at the reality -

Tanner's statement that night to the GNR (first responders) -

Nelson Filipe Pacheco da Costa (GNR Patrol) - Praia da Luz, 03 May 2007

'After the search of the interior, his colleague went to check the area around the apartments and the Tapas Bar, while the witness remained next to the apartment, just outside it. At that moment a female individual, he did not know whether she was a member of the group of friends, who was in the neighbouring apartment, said that she saw an individual carrying a child, running, and that because of the pyjamas she was wearing it could have been Madeleine. It was in these circumstances that abduction began to be talked about. He made a report about this situation and sent it to the police.

This sighting did not seem to him to be very credible, because when he asked her about the physical characteristics of the individual, she said it was very dark, however she saw the pyjamas clearly.'

From the Ocean Club Manager, who was working as a translator at the time -

Sylvia Batista (Ocean Club Manager/Translator) - Praia da Luz, 03 May 2007

'At a given moment, the deponent translated the deposition from one of the ladies that belonged to the group of English people, namely one that she indicates as being a brunette. This lady told the GNR officers, and the deponent translated, that she had seen a man crossing the road, possibly carrying a child. The deponent found that situation strange because she was convinced that when she saw this man, the lady was positioned in a spot that has no viewing angle to the location where she had seen the man.

Fast forward a day and Tanner's version is now thus -

Personal description:

* Dark skinned individual, male sex, aged between 35 – 40, slim physical appearance, about 1.70m tall. Very dark, thick hair, longer at the back (she could only see him from behind). He was wearing linen type cloth trousers, beige to golden in colour, a "duffy" type jacket (but not that thick). His shoes were dark in colour, classic type. He had a hurried walk. He was carrying a child, who was lying on both his arms, in front of his chest. By the way he was dressed, he gave her the impression that he was not a tourist, because he was very "warmly dressed".

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id30.html

Hows that for an "inconsistency"?

:scared:

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

She knew Madeleine but she did not see this child's face to identify her 100%.

Maybe it was Madeleine. However, there's no reason that I can see why all the children being carried must be missing. I've carried mine plenty of times and they have never been reported missing.

She said she knew it was madeleine. I believe her. She knew Madeleine and it works with the timeline.

 

[chlban]

Why? Do they owe the world anything? The world that has pointed to them and accused them of unspeakable things?

Meh.

Not me. No matter what they say people vilify them.

Right because if they don't owe the world anything then who cares?

If "the world" is being mean to them, no reason to feel guilty about the fate of an innocent child.

There is no proof that Madeleine is even dead

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According to your theory you are right again, so, really, who cares? Kidnapped by a pedophile? Sold into slavery? Hey, stuff happens. Parents need their alone time after all.

The point of the comment that you are commenting on is astonishment that the parents did not feel guilt.

I just had to have my cat euthanized because his lungs filled with fluid as a result of a cancerous tumor in them. I have been beating myself up with guilt because I did not ask for X-rays last time I had a blood panel done on him. Maybe we would have found it before it was too late. He wasn't a child but he was mine and I loved him, so I still feel guilt.

I think the point of the post was how astonishing it is that they never expressed any guilt about leaving 3 babies alone in a foreign country in a strange hotel room and having "whatever" you think happened to their daughter as a result of that negligence.

Normal parents would be beating themselves up about that decision.

That was the point. Not whether or not you believe she is still alive or that the parents are being picked on. :banghead:

 

[Donjeta]

She said she knew it was madeleine. I believe her. She knew Madeleine and it works with the timeline.

She knew Madeleine but nevertheless it would have been hard for her to identify Maddie from her feet.

She did not "know" that the child was Madeleine if know in the sense that she was able to identify her 100% because she saw her so well. She wouldn't have said she thought it was some father carrying his child at first if she had, because she knows Gerry too. She only "knows" that it was Madeleine because she thinks it must have been.

She could be right but I think there is too much detail in her sighting for her not to have imagined some.

 

[Jmoose]

I have a question that I don't believe anyone's addressed yet-how did they keep all of the children sleeping with all of that constant checking, especially since there was so much nighttime crying on previous nights? I wouldn't want to take the chance of waking my sleeping child up if she has a tendency to be cranky when I leave her alone. I question the 30 minute intervals between bed-checks. There were no complaints of crying children the night Maddie disappeared, right?

 

[SapphireSteel]

This is my favourite comment of all time, made by the inimitable Gerry McCann, shortly after Madeleine's "abduction", discussing staging a massive, big name fundraiser he hoped to start -


Gerry McCann, 38, said: "One of the ideas is maybe getting all the people who have publicly supported us to come together. I don't just mean from the UK but from different parts of the world. We want a big event to raise awareness that she is still missing.

"We would look at high-profile people who have already pledged support. It will be some sort of focus around an anniversary, to tell people that Madeleine's still missing. I think it would be later this year, once media attention has dropped, to bring it back up, hopefully, for a short period.

"It wouldn't be a one-year anniversary, it will be sooner than that. .

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id302.html


These pearls came out of Gerry's mouth in June 2007...the very next month after Madeleine had vanished and allegedly was still alive somewhere and being abused by a ring of pedophiles.

Gerry was already planning the anniversary celebrations....money making plans that is.

:sick: