"Who would leave children that young alone?"

[SapphireSteel]

I would hire a lawyer. I know of far too many miscarriages of justice and

dodgy policeman to EVER put a whole lot of faith in them. I would never take

a polygraph because in the UK they are considered junk science. They did cooperate until they felt they were being wrongly accused of something. Then I imagine their lawyers told them to shut up. They took their right to remain silent that is not evidence of guilt.

Madeleine was lost. You grieve loss.

They DID NOT cooperate, from the very first night.

They both got on the phone and roundly rubbished LE, tried to steer the investigation from the beginning by asserting there was an "abductor" despite the complete lack of evidence and the other hinkiness that hinted to a different scenario.

Then, when there were awkward questions, they refused to answer. They organised a "pact", and that pact was to not speak to LE.

Anyway, I don't think you have the "right to remain silent" anywhere other than the US do you? Everyone else is supposed to cooperate with LE, in other countries, and if they don't cooperate, they're looked at as suspects. It's as simple as that.

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[blefuscu]

How so? If you are going to make such claims then you need to provide links that back up your claims. Jane Tanner's statement hasn't been ripped to shreds by any 'independent witnesses'

I replied to a post you made yesterday. This is what I wrote in regards to an abductor theory.

What evidence do you want of an intruder in the apartment? Door was unlocked, intruder walks in picks up Madeleine and walks out. It's as simple as that. They weren't going to hang around touching everything and spitting on the floor etc. There are many crimes where no DNA or any other evidence is left. People disappear all the time and are not found/ or murdered and no one is brought to justice because there is a lack of DNA evidence.

As an example...
The kidnapping and murder of Danielle van Dam

"Authorities say Westerfield crept into the van Dam home through an unlocked side garage door and lurked in the girl's darkened bedroom for an hour before abducting her"

"Westerfield's defense argued that there was no evidence that he was ever in the van Dam household: no fingerprints, no DNA, no signs of a struggle from abduction"

He was guilty based on DNA evidence found in his home/on his clothes.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=91359&page=1


ETA: Of course had the apartment not been contaminated and then further contaminated when police failed to seal off the crime scene allowing further people into the apartment as well as the dogs then who knows what DNA could have been found.

And like I replied there is credible sources all over google! She picked out Robert Murat on the surveillance ID!

In the statements at folios 417, 1340 and 3285, she said a man was "running" with a child in pink pyjamas, but said that it was too dark to see properly when asker for a description.

In the statements at folios 355,1289 and 1975 she gave a detailed description:

"Brown male between 35 and 40, slim, around 1.70m. Very dark hair, thick, long at the neck. (Noticed when the person was seen from the back). He was wearing golden beige cloth trousers (linen type) with a "Duffy" type coat (but not very thick). He was wearing black shoes, of a conventional style and was walking quickly. He was carrying a sleeping child in his arms across his chest. By his manner, the man gave her the impression that he wasn't a tourist."

From her official statements to police!

 

[blefuscu]

Yeah exactly she was dead. There are not that many missing people in the UK and most of those have never had a vigil.

ETA- I'd like your opinions on my last posts where I have rebutted information that you've posted. I've noticed before that when I link to statements dismissing your claims that you go quiet.

Tia Sharp, April Jones, Christina Edkins, Izzy Dix, James Parks; just a handful of vigils held in the UK recently! My friend held one just on Monday for her murdered daughter Nikki Allen! You are talking bobbins!

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Why would they be grieving? According to them she's alive and well globe trotting with her abductor.

If my child were ever to be abducted, I would cooperate, I'd be law enforcements shadow, I'd sleep on the steps of the station, I'd take polygraph after polygraph, I'd answer any question they asked and do anything they asked of me. I'd hide nothing.

I wouldn't hire PR firms, attorneys and I certainly wouldn't leave the county if there was anyway I could stay.

But that's me..... Just a mom that would have never left her babies alone in a hotel room while I went off to party with friends.





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Of course they are grieving.. You start grieving and dying inside from the first moment your child goes missing.
TO BE Honest, You have no idea what you would do if your child went missing in a foreign country. You would need help and you'd take it.

The pain you feel when your child is missing is immeasurable. It is just a sickening painful feeling you cannot even imagine. You can not function.. You will take help from anywhere. ANYWHERE.

I will never ever judge a parent until I see proof that they harmed their child. It is the worst empty accusation out there.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

They DID NOT cooperate, from the very first night.

They both got on the phone and roundly rubbished LE, tried to steer the investigation from the beginning by asserting there was an "abductor" despite the complete lack of evidence and the other hinkiness that hinted to a different scenario.

Then, when there were awkward questions, they refused to answer. They organised a "pact", and that pact was to not speak to LE.

Anyway, I don't think you have the "right to remain silent" anywhere other than the US do you? Everyone else is supposed to cooperate with LE, in other countries, and if they don't cooperate, they're looked at as suspects. It's as simple as that.

:cow:

Yes they did. They spoke to police, They were interviewed. People should not answer questions without lawyers.. ESPECIALLY in a foreign country.

You always have the right to remain silent. You never have to incriminate yourself.

 

[blefuscu]

Of course they are grieving.. You start grieving and dying inside from the first moment your child goes missing.
TO BE Honest, You have no idea what you would do if your child went missing in a foreign country. You would need help and you'd take it.

The pain you feel when your child is missing is immeasurable. It is just a sickening painful feeling you cannot even imagine. You can not function.. You will take help from anywhere. ANYWHERE.

I will never ever judge a parent until I see proof that they harmed their child. It is the worst empty accusation out there.

They harmed their children by leaving them unsupervised every evening so they could go off eating and drinking! Don't tell me that's not wrong! They just left their children in a room unsupervised where anything could and did happen!

 

[Venom]

I doubt that is true. PEople all parent differently so to say that they all take their kids everywhere is not exactly accurate.

All that is just speculation and has no basis in fact. The fact remains that someone saw Maddie be carried off. More than one person possibly.

Nothing about these parents says they harmed their children. Nothing.

I understand that people parent differently. But to just leave your kids home alone, in a foreign country.....nah that's just really bad parenting. If an adult was with those kids, do you really think we'd be talking about this. JMO

It's just speculation that it was Maddie being carried away.

 

[Jmoose]

How the heck did that child stay asleep through all of this? The adults checked on them constantly, then some stranger sneaks in and picks her up, and trots off with her, all without waking her up-I don't know about the McCann children, but mine never slept like that!

 

[Venom]

Just because a poster here attributes credibility to one eye witness and discredits another eye witness does not validate or invalidate the testimony of either one. It is not "fact" that the child seen being carried was "Maddie."

For those interested in logical analysis of the value of eye witness testimony, please Google "statistics on reliability of eye witness testimony."

BBM. As to the above statement I wholeheartedly disagree. Any parent who would leave two children that age alone in a hotel room are exhibiting careless, reckless behavior and in my opinion are not good parents. The fact that some posters seem to think Madeleine was kidnapped should provide inclusive evidence for my opinion.

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[Linda7NJ]

Of course they are grieving.. You start grieving and dying inside from the first moment your child goes missing.
TO BE Honest, You have no idea what you would do if your child went missing in a foreign country. You would need help and you'd take it.

The pain you feel when your child is missing is immeasurable. It is just a sickening painful feeling you cannot even imagine. You can not function.. You will take help from anywhere. ANYWHERE.

I will never ever judge a parent until I see proof that they harmed their child. It is the worst empty accusation out there.

You claim they "couldn't function"? Seriously? Seems they functioned just fine when it came to shielding themselves.


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[Gem2626]

DNA found in a hotel room would mean what to you? Strange DNA in a hotel room! ?! Unless it's fresh blood or fresh unsourced still mobile semen who cares?

Obviously, this is not a case where "intruder" DNA is an issue.

According to Jane the intruder was briskly walking in two different directions at the same time. How exactly does that work?




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Why do you not post links to your claims? It is extremely frustrating.

If finding DNA was impossible they wouldn't have looked for it in the first place.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

You claim they "couldn't function"? Seriously? Seems they functioned just fine when it came to shielding themselves.


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You can't function. You are there but your brain is just not working right. It is unbelievable the stress and emotions that pour through you.

They did not function just fine. Their dd was missing.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

How the heck did that child stay asleep through all of this? The adults checked on them constantly, then some stranger sneaks in and picks her up, and trots off with her, all without waking her up-I don't know about the McCann children, but mine never slept like that!

Well I have had 3 kids and babysat countless others.. When they are out they are out .. Especially that little. You can carry them even change them and they stay asleep. It is not at all surprising that she was asleep.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Why do you not post links to your claims? It is extremely frustrating.

If finding DNA was impossible they wouldn't have looked for it in the first place.

I have posted links ... Repeatedly... Look back though the threads.


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[ScarlettScarpetta]

They harmed their children by leaving them unsupervised every evening so they could go off eating and drinking! Don't tell me that's not wrong! They just left their children in a room unsupervised where anything could and did happen!

That is a leap. They did not harm their children. They did not hurt their kids..

It was an agreed upon monitoring procedure that the group was taking part in. Apparently not out of the norm. It is not like they were the only ones doing it.

They must have felt safe there.

 

[blefuscu]

You can't function. You are there but your brain is just not working right. It is unbelievable the stress and emotions that pour through you.

They did not function just fine. Their dd was missing.

They functioned well enough to co-ordinate publicity, to go out jogging, to go to mass, to fly to Italy!

 

[Venom]

You claim they "couldn't function"? Seriously? Seems they functioned just fine when it came to shielding themselves.


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IIRC, didn't GM function enough to be writing a timeline of their actions that day?

 

[Linda7NJ]

You can't function. You are there but your brain is just not working right. It is unbelievable the stress and emotions that pour through you.

They did not function just fine. Their dd was missing.

The last thing on my mind would be hiring attorneys, making pacts to keep silent, refusing to answer questions...

My one and ONLY priority would be FINDING my child. The quicker I could be eliminated from the suspect pool the better. The only way to do that is through cooperation.
I would be far less concerned with saving my own behind.... Than they apparently were.

Come to think if it... Putting themselves ahead of their children's needs and safety is a pattern with them. I don't know why anyone would be surprised they, even after their daughter allegedly goes missing, are more focused on themselves.
All IMO

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[blefuscu]

That is a leap. They did not harm their children. They did not hurt their kids..

It was an agreed upon monitoring procedure that the group was taking part in. Apparently not out of the norm. It is not like they were the only ones doing it.

They must have felt safe there.

Like I've said it to you before, if you are caught speeding a defence for that isn't "everyone else was doing it!"

They only organised supervision on the last night, after Madeleine and Sean had cried for their daddy for well over an hour the night before, and even after Madeleine had BEGGED them to stay in. They cared more about themselves than their children!

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

The last thing on my mind would be hiring attorneys, making pacts to keep silent, refusing to answer questions...

My one and ONLY priority would be FINDING my child. The quicker I could be eliminated from the suspect pool the better. The only way to do that is through cooperation.
I would be far less concerned with saving my own behind.... Than they apparently were.

Come to think if it... Putting themselves ahead of their children's needs and safety is a pattern with them. I don't know why anyone would be surprised they, even after their daughter allegedly goes missing, are more focused on themselves.
All IMO

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I doubt that. In a foreign country, Dealing with police, You say that but I doubt that is what is true. You need someone to help you with the police and their laws and your rights. IT is a smart thing to do.
It has nothing to do with saving their behind. It is about getting help to find their daughter.