Whoa! Meter Reader gave tip on August 13th!#2

[jennyb]

I say with good reason if it turns out he was the one that called 3 times and has since returned to the scene. But that's just my mind turning. Leave No stone unturned and follow the leads. This find comes only days after Tim made a very public statement that the body will never be found. Hmmmm.... 2 weeks later a meter man (off duty) off all things stumbles into the very woods where he may have seen a bag months earlier and states a piss.... Oh lookie there a trash bag, I wonder if it has anything inside. Now if it turns out this isn't the same guy (hard to tell with all the incompetent news reporting) I want to know why there are 2 METER MEN involved in this find? One who calls 3 times in a row and another who stumbles upon the skull.

TM should never have said that with such definity. Even strong TES supporters were disappointed with him over that one. He was just plain wrong to say such a thing.

 

[Skully]

I say with good reason if it turns out he was the one that called 3 times and has since returned to the scene. But that's just my mind turning. Leave No stone unturned and follow the leads. This find comes only days after Tim made a very public statement that the body will never be found. Hmmmm.... 2 weeks later a meter man (off duty) off all things stumbles into the very woods where he may have seen a bag months earlier and states a piss.... Oh lookie there a trash bag, I wonder if it has anything inside. Now if it turns out this isn't the same guy (hard to tell with all the incompetent news reporting) I want to know why there are 2 METER MEN involved in this find? One who calls 3 times in a row and another who stumbles upon the skull.

I hadn't heard he was off duty, when did that come out? I agree with you, I think that it looks as if KC had help or she didn't do it. They will say, why did this guy, who called in Aug, go back and find the body? I also think it was placed there after KC went to jail the first time. If she put it there in June it would have smelled enough to get his attention in JUNE, JULY, way so late in August? I have raised that question before and I think it's a good one. I don't think KC had help killing her child, I believe she did it and did it alone, but this thing will raise questions. Did some one in the family put the bag there in August after the area was searched? That will come up.

 

[SuziQ]

FWIW, I am holding out pending a pressc, however, what bothers me is that you have a statement from a witness (Kio) who literally picks the interview place at the school, specifically tells Det. Wells she picked the place because she was aware KC borrowed a shovel from the neighbor so this is her "best guess" as to Caylee's location..

AND

That's where she is ultimately found, and the circumstances surrounding the find with meter guy.

Clarify something if you can. How close is the area Kio was talking about? Because the schools is down the road and across the street.

Also the area the 4 guys found the rope is across the street near the school.

 

[Nedthan Johns]

I think it's sad how some of the media is covering this story and I can understand why some people don't want to get involved in things like this. Already they are bringing up the possibility this guy is somehow involved without even waiting for the facts to come out. Some are even trashing LE. It's my understanding that TES was in this area searching at one time so if this bag was out in plain site why didn't they see it. It makes me sad when things like this happen and hopefully we will get some facts this afternoon that will make sense. Myself I would rather wait until all the facts come out before I start speculating on the situation.

Actually I think the report was that this area was searched by TES but was under water at the time and there was a small retention pond there at one time, now that the water receeded, the bag became visable. However this makes me wonder if the police officer who searched their with this tipster, saw any trash bag?

 

[jennyb]

Ack. I'm going to tune out of this case for awhile because now it's just too much.

 

[What'sThatClue]

Actually, it sounds like it's one meter reader called three time, then had his boss call the fourth time.

His boss did make the Dec 11th 911 call.

http://www.news-press.com/article/20081212/NEWS01/81212001/1002/NEWS01

About 2 minutes of tape released Friday contains an official for Orange County's water department telling the 911 dispatcher that one of their meter readers found a skull in the "the Caylee Anthony area."

The 911 operator exclaims "oh" and tells the caller to make sure the worker doesn't touch the evidence or call attention to the scene while waiting for deputies to arrive.

 

[kiki the parrot]

Exactly, especially if the only reason you didn't check it out was because of big snake. We pay police to check these types of tips out...especially just seconds from the home of a missing child in a huge media circus where the police have charged her mother and are still looking for either a baby or a body. Maybe the deputy should have donned some protective clothing, shot the snake, kept his firearm ready for more and gone down there are looked. If he couldn't, he should have called someone who could.

Thank you ITA

The Meter Reader’s Story

"According to WESH 2 News reporter Bob Kealing, a source with Orange County government who has spoken with the meter reader said the meter reader does believe the bag he saw in August is the same one in which he found the remains a week ago. But, he believes the bag was likely moved by animals in the months in between.

For more than a week now, investigators confirm they have continued to find human remains in an area more than a half-acre wide in a wooded area along Suburban Drive.

On Aug. 13, the tipster met with deputies in that area, but he told a source that the deputy saw a rattlesnake nearby in the woods and advised the tipster not to look back there with him.

After the deputy's search, he cleared the area. It is unknown if the deputy looked in the exact same area where the remains were later discovered.

The deputy's thoroughness, Orange County investigators said, is currently under administrative review.

The source said the meter reader had just been reassigned to that area again, which is why he went back in the woods to see what was there.

It is unclear if he was "relieving himself," as investigators have said, or if he was going into the area to satisfy his own curiosity.

When the utilities worker looked inside the bag and saw the remains, he apparently said to himself they had to be Caylee's, according to WESH 2's Bob Kealing.

The meter reader is a former member of the military and had just relocated to Central Florida. Now he is anxious to talk about what he saw, the source said."

http://www.wesh.com/news/18317180/detail.html

 

[Nedthan Johns]

I hadn't heard he was off duty, when did that come out? I agree with you, I think that it looks as if KC had help or she didn't do it. They will say, why did this guy, who called in Aug, go back and find the body? I also think it was placed there after KC went to jail the first time. If she put it there in June it would have smelled enough to get his attention in JUNE, JULY, way so late in August? I have raised that question before and I think it's a good one. I don't think KC had help killing her child, I believe she did it and did it alone, but this thing will raise questions. Did some one in the family put the bag there in August after the area was searched? That will come up.

You know I don't know if that report was true, it's on this thread and there was not a link to it. so I hate to comment on something without a source, but now we all see we can't always count on news reports either. There are a million ways the defense team could establish reasonable doubt. Casey's car was left unattended prior to being towed, with her purse left in the front seat. Were the keys with the purse? When was this body dumped? If they could place doubt in a jurors mind that it was placed after Casey was in jail, well then she walks free.

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

So I am just confused by this man's statement, originally we were told he stopped to releave himself, now we are being told he was following up on his own hunch or tip even after leading an investigator there. Hmmm, doesn't sound fishy to you and he said he discovered the back while releaving himself? Would be interesting to note if this man really did releave himself? or was that just the excuse he used for suddenly "discovering" the bag?

Do we know he did say he stopped to relieve himself, or, is that something reporters assumed and stated themselves?

 

[Nedthan Johns]

BTW they tried to do that in the Westerfield case and it failed. They called in the bug people on both sides but that was the defenses case, that Westerfield was incarserated at the time and could not have possibly murdered Danielle. It didn't work of course, so we will have to hope the same in this case. But remember in the Ramsey case, which IMO won't ever go to trial because of shoddy police work, let's just hope that investigators don't make any more mistakes here.

 

[Nedthan Johns]

Do we know he did say he stopped to relieve himself, or, is that something reporters assumed and stated themselves?

That's what is being reported. I heard that on Nancy Grace and read one line that was provided by Headline News. But your right, do we really know? I wish news reporters would be a little bit more responsible about reporting thier news.

 

[Drivenon]

Clarify something if you can. How close is the area Kio was talking about? Because the schools is down the road and across the street.

Also the area the 4 guys found the rope is across the street near the school.

Yes, the school area is correct. I am really only referring to where Wells was parked. But Kio is VERY SPECIFIC about the area where Caylee is ultimately found, she even references it is now fenced in but was not then. In her interview, Det. Wells, references a conversation they had during their long walk back to the school; I would characterize that as the pre-interview. It is not clear from the transcript but appears possible she walked some of the area with him, I believe July 19. Highly possible the bag was submerged all this time, that I admit, but then imo, the meter guys story does not jive.

I am familiar with several scenarios in this area of people "searching on their own", absolutely, not faulting for that, it is just uncanny for me.

 

[Mimi]

A recent article (see it in media thread) said the meter reader was just recently re-assigned to this area again so decided to check out the area again-- this would explain the gap from August to now.

 

[Nedthan Johns]

he Meter Reader’s Story

"According to WESH 2 News reporter Bob Kealing, a source with Orange County government who has spoken with the meter reader said the meter reader does believe the bag he saw in August is the same one in which he found the remains a week ago. But, he believes the bag was likely moved by animals in the months in between.

For more than a week now, investigators confirm they have continued to find human remains in an area more than a half-acre wide in a wooded area along Suburban Drive.

On Aug. 13, the tipster met with deputies in that area, but he told a source that the deputy saw a rattlesnake nearby in the woods and advised the tipster not to look back there with him.

After the deputy's search, he cleared the area. It is unknown if the deputy looked in the exact same area where the remains were later discovered.

The deputy's thoroughness, Orange County investigators said, is currently under administrative review.

The source said the meter reader had just been reassigned to that area again, which is why he went back in the woods to see what was there.

It is unclear if he was "relieving himself," as investigators have said, or if he was going into the area to satisfy his own curiosity.

When the utilities worker looked inside the bag and saw the remains, he apparently said to himself they had to be Caylee's, according to WESH 2's Bob Kealing.

The meter reader is a former member of the military and had just relocated to Central Florida. Now he is anxious to talk about what he saw, the source said."

http://www.wesh.com/news/18317180/detail.html

Thanks for the link. Okay let's assume this is true, now we have confirmation this is the same guy. Reports seeing a bag, but when he returns with an officer, why wasn't the bag found??? this report also says: The source said the meter reader had just been reassigned to that area again, which is why he went back in the woods to see what was there. Why was he reassigned to that area? Did he find it while on duty or off duty? If he was so concerned about that bag, why wasn't it found when a deputy went there the first time? Former member of the military? So that makes him crediable? Sorry I smell something fishy about this guy

 

[Broderick]

Thank you ITA

The Meter Reader’s Story

"According to WESH 2 News reporter Bob Kealing, a source with Orange County government who has spoken with the meter reader said the meter reader does believe the bag he saw in August is the same one in which he found the remains a week ago. But, he believes the bag was likely moved by animals in the months in between.

For more than a week now, investigators confirm they have continued to find human remains in an area more than a half-acre wide in a wooded area along Suburban Drive.

On Aug. 13, the tipster met with deputies in that area, but he told a source that the deputy saw a rattlesnake nearby in the woods and advised the tipster not to look back there with him.

After the deputy's search, he cleared the area. It is unknown if the deputy looked in the exact same area where the remains were later discovered.

The deputy's thoroughness, Orange County investigators said, is currently under administrative review.

The source said the meter reader had just been reassigned to that area again, which is why he went back in the woods to see what was there.

It is unclear if he was "relieving himself," as investigators have said, or if he was going into the area to satisfy his own curiosity.

When the utilities worker looked inside the bag and saw the remains, he apparently said to himself they had to be Caylee's, according to WESH 2's Bob Kealing.

The meter reader is a former member of the military and had just relocated to Central Florida. Now he is anxious to talk about what he saw, the source said."

http://www.wesh.com/news/18317180/detail.html

The same bag. I thought so. He saw a bag and thought it could be Caylee's remains and called 3 times. An officer got scared by a snake and cleared the scene. They had so many tips coming in. He found the bag again and thank God he was persistent.

He is a hero.

 

[Nedthan Johns]

Yes, the school area is correct. I am really only referring to where Wells was parked. But Kio is VERY SPECIFIC about the area where Caylee is ultimately found, she even references it is now fenced in but was not then. In her interview, Det. Wells, references a conversation they had during their long walk back to the school; I would characterize that as the pre-interview. It is not clear from the transcript but appears possible she walked some of the area with him, I believe July 19. Highly possible the bag was submerged all this time, that I admit, but then imo, the meter guys story does not jive.

I am familiar with several scenarios in this area of people "searching on their own", absolutely, not faulting for that, it is just uncanny for me.

I agree, Sorry I missed this who is Kio?

 

[kushka]

Yeah, I don't buy it. If he went back he would have stated, you know I really felt his child was in this area so I went and searched again, which is what he is stating now. Not gee I went into the woods to releive myself and low and behold I found this trash bag. Now if he does in fact turn out to be the tipster that called in 3 times in a row regarding this area, my warning bells are going off.

I do not find this suspicious at all – simple self-preservation. As a county worker he is not allowed to go searching through the woods on county time looking to solve a mystery, so instead of admitting to his supervisor what he was doing (and thus possibly getting fired), he gave what could be considered a legitimate reason for taking an un-scheduled break.

 

[madeleine]

The same bag. I thought so. He saw a bag and thought it could be Caylee's remains and called 3 times. An officer got scared by a snake and cleared the scene. They had so many tips coming in. He found the bag again and thank God he was persistent.

He is a hero.

And he left it there?Nah.

 

[JMCDAD]

I am not sure what to make of this so I look forward to finding out the details
but it bothers me that the defense will use this to help KC in any way

remember folks, LE has probably received thousands of tips, just something to keep in mind

 

[madeleine]

So you see a bag.It smells like hell.You call LE.LE isn't checking because of some snake.You leave(????Would YOU???).Then you go back after a few months.The bag is still there despite of floods and so on.You check the bag.A skull falls out.

WTH???