Why didn't Patsy confess on her deathbed?

[killarney rose]

What happened in that house the night after the Ramseys arrived home from the party that was significant enough to cause Patsy never to change out of her clothes to sleep is that one of the Ramseys killed JonBenet.

Yes, that is what I was getting at. It had to be a major event to cause them to have never gone to bed Christmas night. And we know that JonBenet was killed Christmas night.

 

[AuDHD]

i hear ya. but someone killed her. an intruder looks unlikely. so does BR. JR is possible, but several of his early actions needlessly undermined the IDI theory (which the ransom note writer clearly wanted people to think, and which became the ramseys' defense): telling the police the doors were all locked, handing them the notepad with the practice note inside, admitting he was the one who had broken the window and it was months earlier. not what you'd expect if he was the murderer or even involved. also, this is admittedly subjective, but the officers on the scene thought he seemed rested in the morning, and that his reaction to finding JBR's body looked sincere.

PR on the other hand was wearing the same clothes as the night before, and iirc had her hair and makeup already done. more consistent with someone who had been up all night than someone who had slept, gotten up for an early flight, and then discovered a ransom note saying her daughter had been kidnapped. subjectively, she strikes me as far more likely than JR to make the laughable mistake of having a "small foreign faction" actually refer to itself as such. or to have nuanced views on american defense contractors ("we respect your business but not the country that it serves"). i lol trying to picture that coming from al qaeda, or shining path, or the IRA, etc. .... that's before we get to the handwriting and linguistic analysis, fiber evidence, etc., which IMO are not as strong as some people think, but do still add to the case against her.

as hard as it is to imagine, the fact is that parents murdering their children does happen. since becoming a parent, i've found it even harder to imagine violence against a child, but paradoxically easier to see how it happens. kids can be incredibly frustrating. and an adult that doesn't manage their stress well or control their actions can lose it and do the unthinkable. such an adult shouldn't be responsible for children, but they often are anyway. it was the end of a very long day, PR was up late packing for everyone for an early flight the next morning. she needed the kids to do as they're told and not create any problems. and then something happened that set her off. another bedwetting incident, some disobedience about going to bed. something. even with her identity wrapped up in her daughter, i can see an angry outburst that does more harm than intended. followed by an emotional, panicked, nonsensical coverup.

edit: all MOO

This makes so much sense to me actually bc I’ve always found it bizarre that JR signed off on that ransom note. My only explanation was that the note seemed to deliberately point at multiple people to confuse and muddy the waters. Only reason for the uh, length of it & details given that I could muster.
But what if JR only found out about BR/PR accidentally striking her and PR subsequently staging the cover up some time after the 911 call? Whether it was before or after finding the body (which fleet says JR saw in a dark room and called out before turning the light switch on). Maybe he pieced it together as the morning went on, but couldn’t confront PR until much later and by that time, they had committed to the intruder thing and it was full steam ahead. Edit to add: neither of them seemed concerned when the kidnappers didnt call, so john must have known by then.

Then the ME’s found evidence of previous sexual abuse and JR knew that-guilty or innocent of that abuse- he was going to be suspect number one. How could he point the finger at Patsy, a cancer stricken & seemingly doting (if overbearing) mom? The media & public perception would turn on him in an instant. Even if it was her, his safest path forward was to stick together & pin it on an intruder. JMO

 

[gumshoe1]

But what if JR only found out about BR/PR accidentally striking her and PR subsequently staging the cover up some time after the 911 call? Whether it was before or after finding the body (which fleet says JR saw in a dark room and called out before turning the light switch on). Maybe he pieced it together as the morning went on, but couldn’t confront PR until much later and by that time, they had committed to the intruder thing and it was full steam ahead. Edit to add: neither of them seemed concerned when the kidnappers didnt call, so john must have known by then.

The above quote by AuDHD is lead detective Steve Thomas' theory.

Then the ME’s found evidence of previous sexual abuse and JR knew that-guilty or innocent of that abuse- he was going to be suspect number one. How could he point the finger at Patsy, a cancer stricken & seemingly doting (if overbearing) mom? The media & public perception would turn on him in an instant. Even if it was her, his safest path forward was to stick together & pin it on an intruder. JMO

I think that your theory here is probably correct as well. Steve Thomas thinks that JBR was not sexually abused. Steve Thomas thinks that the injuries to JBR's vaginal area was some sort of corporal punishment that Patsy inflicted on JBR because JBR wet the bed.

 

[Lebowski]

Lebowski, your post #14 on this thread makes point after point that I agree with. It is a very pithy post.

However, I disagree with your statement that the officers on the scene thought that John's reaction to finding JBR's body looked sincere. Detective Linda Arndt strongly implied that John's reaction to finding JBR's body caused her to believe that John killed JBR. Arndt said that she became nervous when John found the body, and she counted how many bullets she had, implying that Arndt thought that she might have to shoot John. Why do you think that the officers on the scene thought that John's reaction to finding JBR's body seemed sincere?

i don't remember where i read that, and it's possible i have it wrong. one fun feature of this case is it's hard to know which pieces of information to trust.

note to self to not rely on that particular thing in the future

 

[AuDHD]

The above quote by AuDHD is lead detective Steve Thomas' theory.




I think that your theory here is probably correct as well. Steve Thomas thinks that JBR was not sexually abused. Steve Thomas thinks that the injuries to JBR's vaginal area was some sort of corporal punishment that Patsy inflicted on JBR because JBR wet the bed.

I’ll have to read up on Steve Thomas! thanks!

 

[Lebowski]

This makes so much sense to me actually bc I’ve always found it bizarre that JR signed off on that ransom note. My only explanation was that the note seemed to deliberately point at multiple people to confuse and muddy the waters. Only reason for the uh, length of it & details given that I could muster.
But what if JR only found out about BR/PR accidentally striking her and PR subsequently staging the cover up some time after the 911 call? Whether it was before or after finding the body (which fleet says JR saw in a dark room and called out before turning the light switch on). Maybe he pieced it together as the morning went on, but couldn’t confront PR until much later and by that time, they had committed to the intruder thing and it was full steam ahead. Edit to add: neither of them seemed concerned when the kidnappers didnt call, so john must have known by then.

possible. i lean against the idea of JR learning/realizing the truth while the police were there that day, because of the amount of self-control it would take to hide his reaction in that moment and bottle it up for a channeled released later. not impossible though. and someone was just telling me citing sources they were confident in that JR is a talented liar and good at faking emotions, etc.

i knew about the lack of reaction from either PR or JR to the deadline passing, and that is suspicious about both of them. also, someone around here said JR got agitated later on. the poster interpreted this as showing the timing when he discovered JBR's body and/or the truth of what happened. ... but my thought is: maybe JR didn't necessarily expect the ransom call to come exactly on time, but the later it got, the less sure he was it was coming. that would explain no reaction at the time, followed by increasing agitation later, without assuming JR knew anything.

Then the ME’s found evidence of previous sexual abuse and JR knew that-guilty or innocent of that abuse- he was going to be suspect number one. How could he point the finger at Patsy, a cancer stricken & seemingly doting (if overbearing) mom? The media & public perception would turn on him in an instant. Even if it was her, his safest path forward was to stick together & pin it on an intruder. JMO

boxed in by appearances so he had to stand by her? maybe.

 

[gumshoe1]

I’ll have to read up on Steve Thomas! thanks!

Steve Thomas' book is simply titled JonBenet. It's the best book there is on the JonBenet Ramsey case.

 

[AuDHD]

Steve Thomas' book is simply titled JonBenet. It's the best book there is on the JonBenet Ramsey case.

thanks I’ll check it out! I’ve read a few books on the topic so far:

Who Killed JonBenét Ramsey? by Dr. Cyril Wecht & Charles Bosworth, Jr

Presumed Guilty: An Investigation Into the JonBenet Ramsey Case, the Media, and the Culture of Pornography by Stephen Singular

Can AI solve the case? Jonbenét Ramsey by Dr. Hal Rowan

The JonBenét Ramsey Murder - The Asphyxiator?: With 10 Pillars of Forensic Convergence Without Contradiction, Multidisciplinary Logic Renders Further Doubt Statistically Unsustainable. by Michael Daniels

and lastly,
Foreign Faction - Who Really Kidnapped JonBenet? by James Kolar

Kolar’s book was the best of that bunch. I mostly read up on IDI hypotheses so I could make sure I understood all the angles. I couldn’t get past chapter one of the lady’s book where she thinks her ex boyfriend did it. I guess that was my line on IDI theories.

 

[CloudedTruth]

i don't remember where i read that, and it's possible i have it wrong. one fun feature of this case is it's hard to know which pieces of information to trust.

note to self to not rely on that particular thing in the future

When JB's body was found, Det. Arndt was the only LE on the scene. They had left her alone to control the house and everyone in it, and she repeatedly called for back-up which was ignored.

She definitely got some very strong vibes from JR......
“We had a nonverbal exchange that I will never forget. ... And
as we looked at each other, I remember, and I wore a shoulder
holster, tucking my gun right next to me and consciously counting
out the 18 bullets.” When asked why, she replied "because I didn't know if we'd all be alive when people showed up".

“My mind exploded. ... I saw black with thousands of lights,”
Arndt said. “Everything that I noted that morning that stuck out
instantly made sense.”

 

[Lebowski]

ok. ... does she elaborate on the non-verbal exchange? and do you find arndt credible?

 

[Lebowski]

incidentally, i just learned PR didn't get up when JBR's body was found. everyone else ran in to kitchen where FW and JR had brought her up and put her on the floor. at this point, there shouldn't be any way for PR to know JBR isn't alive. if you're a parent who thought their kid was kidnapped and then heard someone shout that they found her in the house, would you not jump to your feet and run in? would you not be shoving everyone else out of the way to come see her? i don't care if you're emotional or exhausted from the stress of the day, your kid is suddenly not kidnapped and possibly OK as far as you know. and yet... she apparently stays in her seat. as if she already knows.

now at first as i'm reading this, i thought "maybe she did get up and people just didn't see her because their attention was on the kitchen and JBR." but apparently two friends then walked back over to her and attended to her on the couch.

 

[AuDHD]

incidentally, i just learned PR didn't get up when JBR's body was found. everyone else ran in to kitchen where FW and JR had brought her up and put her on the floor. at this point, there shouldn't be any way for PR to know JBR isn't alive. if you're a parent who thought their kid was kidnapped and then heard someone shout that they found her in the house, would you not jump to your feet and run in? would you not be shoving everyone else out of the way to come see her? i don't care if you're emotional or exhausted from the stress of the day, your kid is suddenly not kidnapped and possibly OK as far as you know. and yet... she apparently stays in her seat. as if she already knows.

now at first as i'm reading this, i thought "maybe she did get up and people just didn't see her because their attention was on the kitchen and JBR." but apparently two friends then walked back over to her and attended to her on the couch.

I picked that up from Kolar but yeah it’s well documented at this point Patsy stayed in what i believe they called the solarium. When john ran up with JBR in his arms he put her by christmas tree in the adjacent living room and Patsy didn’t budge until friends came to fetch her. She already knew jbr was dead. jmo

 

[887sMtreme]

incidentally, i just learned PR didn't get up when JBR's body was found. everyone else ran in to kitchen where FW and JR had brought her up and put her on the floor. at this point, there shouldn't be any way for PR to know JBR isn't alive. if you're a parent who thought their kid was kidnapped and then heard someone shout that they found her in the house, would you not jump to your feet and run in? would you not be shoving everyone else out of the way to come see her? i don't care if you're emotional or exhausted from the stress of the day, your kid is suddenly not kidnapped and possibly OK as far as you know. and yet... she apparently stays in her seat. as if she already knows.

now at first as i'm reading this, i thought "maybe she did get up and people just didn't see her because their attention was on the kitchen and JBR." but apparently two friends then walked back over to her and attended to her on the couch.

JBR was not brought up from the wine cellar to the kitchen, but to the area at the top of the stairs, near the front door outside the living room. That is where Arndt had the eye contact with JR that so chilled her. Shortly after that, JBR was moved to the living room, near the Christmas tree. Patsy, leaving her nest of friends in the other room, cried out en route to the living room, saw her for the first time there, with the small rug partially covering her. That’s when Patsy threw herself over JBR’s body, incidentally compromising evidence.

 

[gumshoe1]

incidentally, i just learned PR didn't get up when JBR's body was found. everyone else ran in to kitchen where FW and JR had brought her up and put her on the floor. at this point, there shouldn't be any way for PR to know JBR isn't alive. if you're a parent who thought their kid was kidnapped and then heard someone shout that they found her in the house, would you not jump to your feet and run in? would you not be shoving everyone else out of the way to come see her? i don't care if you're emotional or exhausted from the stress of the day, your kid is suddenly not kidnapped and possibly OK as far as you know. and yet... she apparently stays in her seat. as if she already knows.

now at first as i'm reading this, i thought "maybe she did get up and people just didn't see her because their attention was on the kitchen and JBR." but apparently two friends then walked back over to her and attended to her on the couch.

IDI theorists, how do you explain the fact that Patsy kept sitting on the couch when JBR was found instead of running to check on JBR like everyone else did? If IDI, for all Patsy knew, JBR was still alive. Why the heck did Patsy not go check on JBR?

@GRT

@FergusMcDuck

 

[bdsjr]

There is nothing left here to investigate until someone is found to match the DNA left on her body. No amount of gut instincts, suspicions, or debates about the Ramsey family or an intruder are ever going to advance the solution. It might make someone feel good but it is an exercise in futility. There is an unknown male DNA profile and the profile will have to be matched. That’s it. All efforts should be directed towards finding a match. The rest is a complete waste of time.

 

[Meara]

I've read more than one websleuth's member (most notably @CloudedTruth ) opine that Patsy caught John molesting JonBenet, and Patsy swung a weapon at John to try to hit John and missed and hit JonBenet on the head instead, causing JonBenet's skull fracture. If this is how JonBenet received her skull fracture, Patsy should have been extremely angry at John for two reasons: 1# for molesting JonBenet and 2# causing Patsy to accidentally kill JonBenet when Patsy was trying to stop the molestation.

In all states of America, if a person dies while a criminal is committing a felony, and if the person dies directly or indirectly because of the felony, the criminal is charged with first degree murder. For example, let's say two armed robbers team up together to rob a gas station, and the clerk of the gas station shoots robber #2 in self-defense during the robbery. The police would arrest robber #1 for first degree murder of robber #2 even though robber #1 did not kill robber #2.

Child molestation is a felony. So if it could be proven that Patsy accidentally caused JonBenet's skull fracture while trying to strike John with a blunt object while John was molesting JonBenet, the authorities would arrest John for first degree murder, and Patsy probably would not be arrested since Patsy's hitting JonBenet was 100% accidental. Let's just say that Patsy went along with the coverup because Patsy wrongly thought that she would be arrested if the authorities found out what really happened. It's not like Patsy died suddenly and without warning of a heart attack or in a car wreck or something. Patsy died slowly of cancer. In the last few days of Patsy's life, she had to have known that she was about to die within days. So why didn't Patsy confess to the authorities that Patsy accidentally whacked JonBenet while trying to whack John to stop John from molesting JonBenet? This confession could have gotten justice for both Patsy and JonBenet. It could have led to John being arrested for first degree murder. Why the heck would Patsy want to protect the scum that was both molesting her daughter AND caused Patsy to accidentally kill her daughter?

If PR wanted to or intended to confess at the end, was she was able to do so? I recently learned that in Part 3 of the Netflix JBR series JR tells that he made the decision to stop PR's treatment without discussing it with her. Many people dying of cancer do decide to stop treatment, or couples or families make that decision together. But for JR to make that decision without discussing it with PR? I was shocked to hear this and find it very suspicious. This would have led to an increase in PR's pain and sedative medication and sooner than she had expected. Those medications suppress executive functioning and hasten death. It's pure speculation, but I have to wonder: Did JR want PR to die more quickly for his own selfish reasons and inadvertently prevent a deathbed confession? Did he deliberately scuttle the opportunity for PR to make a deathbed confession? That's pretty dark, but the case history records his willingness to deceive others; e.g., his 2-year affair while married to Cindy, his false statements to police on the 26th as recounted in Chapter 3 of Steve Thomas's book. Whatever the truth about JBR's death is - even if PR confessed to both the murder and the cover-up - it would have caused uproar and been very damaging to him. And, of course, if she revealed his guilt in any part of it, that would have been catastrophic. Either way, that's a lot of motive - and opportunity. I assume he requested that PR's treatment be stopped for the usual reason, not to prolong suffering. No one would have been the wiser.

 

[CloudedTruth]

I've read more than one websleuth's member (most notably @CloudedTruth ) opine that Patsy caught John molesting JonBenet, and Patsy swung a weapon at John to try to hit John and missed and hit JonBenet on the head instead, causing JonBenet's skull fracture. If this is how JonBenet received her skull fracture, Patsy should have been extremely angry at John for two reasons: 1# for molesting JonBenet and 2# causing Patsy to accidentally kill JonBenet when Patsy was trying to stop the molestation.

In all states of America, if a person dies while a criminal is committing a felony, and if the person dies directly or indirectly because of the felony, the criminal is charged with first degree murder. For example, let's say two armed robbers team up together to rob a gas station, and the clerk of the gas station shoots robber #2 in self-defense during the robbery. The police would arrest robber #1 for first degree murder of robber #2 even though robber #1 did not kill robber #2.

Child molestation is a felony. So if it could be proven that Patsy accidentally caused JonBenet's skull fracture while trying to strike John with a blunt object while John was molesting JonBenet, the authorities would arrest John for first degree murder, and Patsy probably would not be arrested since Patsy's hitting JonBenet was 100% accidental. Let's just say that Patsy went along with the coverup because Patsy wrongly thought that she would be arrested if the authorities found out what really happened. It's not like Patsy died suddenly and without warning of a heart attack or in a car wreck or something. Patsy died slowly of cancer. In the last few days of Patsy's life, she had to have known that she was about to die within days. So why didn't Patsy confess to the authorities that Patsy accidentally whacked JonBenet while trying to whack John to stop John from molesting JonBenet? This confession could have gotten justice for both Patsy and JonBenet. It could have led to John being arrested for first degree murder. Why the heck would Patsy want to protect the scum that was both molesting her daughter AND caused Patsy to accidentally kill her daughter?

I would like to point out that this was a private conversation initiated by you who asked the question why I thought PR was mad at someone other than JB. I answered in good faith with MY OPINION as to what I thought may have transpired. I would appreciate that if you are going to share my personal opinion here publicly that I shared with you privately that you first give me the courtesy of asking permission and that you acknowledge it as such......my opinion, which I made very clear to you with my first response.

As to the rest of your stated opinion / questions, the legal points are of course valid. However that does not take into account the human aspect, the dynamic between JR and PR which had significantly changed after the murder. Whatever reasons PR may have had for remaining silent about what may have happened that night are hers and hers alone. Only she would be able to answer that question. I recall when Det. Arndt went to visit her as she was dying, she made a comment that indicated she thought that PR was imprisoned by secrets. That's not an exact quote, but it was something similar....that was the gist.

Having had the very painful experience of watching a very close friend die from a cancer that like PR's had metastasized to the brain, I can tell you that similar to PR she fought it all the way. And she wanted to keep fighting. While it was becoming more and more obvious to those around her that she was in fact dying, it really wasn't to her. The fighting spirit was strong. Until she lapsed into a coma from which she never returned. There were heavy duty drugs to keep her comfortable and she was just not there. That went on for almost 3 weeks before she finally passed.

It was JR that made the decision to discontinue PR's treatment, and has has admitted that he didn't even tell her. I am not aware of further specifics as to how lucid or even conscious she was in her last weeks / days. Her sister posted that she found her victory at 3AM. We know that JR was supposedly by her side when she passed. Was anyone else? Burke was 17 when she passed. Not an adult yet, not out on his own. Perhaps she thought he still needed his father, having lost two sisters and now his mother. We don't know. We can speculate until the cows come home ,only she knew the answers and she took them to her grave.

 

[Lebowski]

When JB's body was found, Det. Arndt was the only LE on the scene. They had left her alone to control the house and everyone in it, and she repeatedly called for back-up which was ignored.

She definitely got some very strong vibes from JR......
“We had a nonverbal exchange that I will never forget. ... And
as we looked at each other, I remember, and I wore a shoulder
holster, tucking my gun right next to me and consciously counting
out the 18 bullets.” When asked why, she replied "because I didn't know if we'd all be alive when people showed up".

“My mind exploded. ... I saw black with thousands of lights,”
Arndt said. “Everything that I noted that morning that stuck out
instantly made sense.”

i've read and thought about this a bit.

let's assume they had a significant shared glance, possibly lasting a long time, right after JR brought JBR's body up. ... at the risk of starting to sound like a JR apologist, i see a lot of reason to discount arndt's impression of what was behind it -- even if her telling is 100% sincere and not retroactively reimagined. gut feelings are not reliable information. and although i don't have hard data to back this up, i feel like significant shared glances without verbal communication are inherently ambiguous and must get misunderstood a lot.

IMO here's what was going through arndt's mind at that moment. what she had thought was a hostage situation with the victim somewhere else had suddenly become a murder with the victim and scene RIGHT THERE in the house. and probably also the murderer. inside her head, the words "THIS WAS AN INSIDE JOB" were blasting. (JMO) and she's surrounded by the likely perp and his/her/their friends, all by herself. and with all that going on in her head, now someone possibly involved is giving her an unnerving look. she may have gone to a ridiculous place with it by counting her bullets, but her fear was probably sincere and it may have colored her interpretation of the look.

yet i can think of several things an innocent JR might have been thinking while staring at the cop. it might have been just a "my God, my daughter's dead, isn't she??" it could have been a "wait.... what does this mean?" about discovering JBR in the house despite the ransom note. sort of a "gears turning in his head" look and/or wondering what arndt is thinking. he might even have been thinking "this is an inside job, isn't it?" as arndt was. ... or, it could have been an angry look, along the lines of "HOW DID YOU COPS LET THIS HAPPEN?!" it wouldn't necessarily have been fair or made a ton of sense, but i gather such reactions are not uncommon in those situations and i think most people would say understandable.

 

[CloudedTruth]

i've read and thought about this a bit.

let's assume they had a significant shared glance, possibly lasting a long time, right after JR brought JBR's body up. ... at the risk of starting to sound like a JR apologist, i see a lot of reason to discount arndt's impression of what was behind it -- even if her telling is 100% sincere and not retroactively reimagined. gut feelings are not reliable information. and although i don't have hard data to back this up, i feel like significant shared glances without verbal communication are inherently ambiguous and must get misunderstood a lot.

IMO here's what was going through arndt's mind at that moment. what she had thought was a hostage situation with the victim somewhere else had suddenly become a murder with the victim and scene RIGHT THERE in the house. and probably also the murderer. inside her head, the words "THIS WAS AN INSIDE JOB" were blasting. (JMO) and she's surrounded by the likely perp and his/her/their friends, all by herself. and with all that going on in her head, now someone possibly involved is giving her an unnerving look. she may have gone to a ridiculous place with it by counting her bullets, but her fear was probably sincere and it may have colored her interpretation of the look.

yet i can think of several things an innocent JR might have been thinking while staring at the cop. it might have been just a "my God, my daughter's dead, isn't she??" it could have been a "wait.... what does this mean?" about discovering JBR in the house despite the ransom note. sort of a "gears turning in his head" look and/or wondering what arndt is thinking. he might even have been thinking "this is an inside job, isn't it?" as arndt was. ... or, it could have been an angry look, along the lines of "HOW DID YOU COPS LET THIS HAPPEN?!" it wouldn't necessarily have been fair or made a ton of sense, but i gather such reactions are not uncommon in those situations and i think most people would say understandable.

Well, I have to respectfully disagree. I think it would be a mistake to discount Det. Arndt's instincts.

IMO good instincts are a very important trait for a detective to have and to hone throughout their career. It should be part of the toolbox. Not to discount evidence, etc. but often times a good hunch about something is what can help solve a case.

I can tell you from my own experience on more than one occasion I have had very strong gut instincts. I have learned when they are that strong, I should listen. That has served me well.

That said, we cannot possibly know what JR was thinking in those moments. So to judge her instincts based upon what he may or may not have been thinking I think is not at all fair to her. Her experience was her experience, And as an experienced, trained professional in LE I respect her instincts. One of the things she mentioned in an interview when recounting the actions of JR, PR and others was that after she had moved the body and told JR that she was dead, he laid down beside her put his arm around her and was making noises as if he was crying. But there were no tears.

For most of that day, he was notably calm, cool and collected. He did not interact with his wife, nor she with him. They were decidedly separate from one another. No verbal exchanges between them, no comforting of each other, no touching. PR was also observed by Officer French (to the best of my recollection that's which officer it was) looking through the fingers of her hand she had raised to her face as she was supposedly crying. I think from what the officers on the scene have reported, both parents at one time or another exhibited what could be described as odd or unexpected behavior given the circumstances. It was noticed. How people act, the body language displayed, etc. are all important to be observed. It's all part of the story that a crime scene has to tell.

JR himself told Det. Arndt very early on that it was an inside job. And I think the RN reflected that......where it was supposedly left implicated LHP whom PR named first. The business references implicated a business associate of JR's whom he first named.

Was it ridiculous for her to take a mental inventory of her ammunition? I don't think so. As a police officer alone at a crime scene where a murder has taken place and the body just found, you need to be prepared for any possibility. They had already determined to some degree that there was no sign of a break-in. It's not like she over-reacted and pulled her gun and trained it on him, but she was alert and prepared.....just in case. IMO that was smart. Do I think her concern colored her interpretation of his look? I tend to think it was the look that made her concerned. In her recollection she had made a mental note of certain things that did not add up during her time there. The look that JR gave her now made some of those mental notes come to the forefront. Things started to add up. I doubt very much that her concern spread to the friends that were there. That would imply that she thought they were all possibly in on it. I think her attention was on JR and only. Remember she also said she didn't know if they'd all be alive when back up showed up. This is a clear indication that she believe the threat was JR.

Could the look have been ambiguous? Sure. But if we're going to speculate on what was going through JR's mind, it also could've been an unintended look of the guilt he may have been trying to hide.

 

[Lebowski]

fair enough

and when i make lists of things that make PR look suspicious, i always forget to include the bit about her peeking through her fingers while supposedly crying.