Why hasn't there been an arrest?

[KsStormy]

I'm part of the public, but I'm not the media.

1. I'm not so sure that's a bad thing. When government forces people to do what it wants against the peoples wishes, we have a big problem.

2. Getting drunk that night was not a good idea. Telling the truth about it later on was good.

3. Rumors about big money deals with TV networks don't belong here. Just because people are angry about Casey doesn't mean they should take it out on others.

JMO.

BBM -- is it a rumor if reported by the news?

http://fox4kc.com/2011/10/07/new-twists-in-search-for-baby-lisa/

 

[eileenhawkeye]

BBM -- is it a rumor if reported by the news?

http://fox4kc.com/2011/10/07/new-twists-in-search-for-baby-lisa/

I think there was a deal but we know nothing about it. What networks was it with? Was it for pictures or interviews or both? The Irwins have talked to ABC, FOX, NBC, and CBS. Every network has talked about Lisa, and shown photos or videos of her. So has every network paid the Irwins $$? Now, GMA probably gave this case the most consistent coverage, and it seemed to be the show of choice for the Irwins and their team...so maybe the deal was with ABC...but then why didn't the Irwins go on ABC back in May to talk about the stolen cards? ABC didn't even cover that development.

But we all assume that a deal means a contract, money, sign on the dotted line, and it probably does, but it could be as simple as D&J were getting a lot of requests from the national media, that they felt they were "above" local media.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

BBM -- is it a rumor if reported by the news?

http://fox4kc.com/2011/10/07/new-twists-in-search-for-baby-lisa/

There's no mention of any money in this article.

Several years ago my employers son was missing and was later found dead. He was a victim of murder. They made a "deal" with a certain reporter that they liked to give interviews with. They didn't receive any money, they just didn't like the way other reporters were dealing with them and covering the case.

Something along those lines may be in play here as well. JMO.

 

[redheadedgal]

I am wondering if Lisa is possibly buried under it--LE missed him for 7 days & they had dogs to!!!-Could this be the reason DB did not want to go look in the backyard???HMMM

it was indicated that there was overturned earth in the backyard -i think in a garden area- but this is all that has been mentioned in the news. i would hope that the 17-hour search of the house and property covered every square inch...

And IMO the above are reasons why many are of the opinion DB should be arrested for murder of her child when truth is we have no evidence in the least proving or indicating such.. jmo

most here think accident not murder iirc... and yes-- there is evidence... of a death at least. it doesn't take much to go from missing child + cadaver dog hit to extrapolate that something went amiss @ 3620 north lister in early october 2011 imo

 

[hambirg]

I'm confused with your response. Your saying in this post that LE is not making an announcement that they believe Lisa is dead because they aren't receiving any sightings. Sightings/tips same thing to me. It shouldn't matter. If LE has solid evidence that Lisa is dead, in my opinion they should make that public knowledge.

That's just not how it works though. LE will only go to the public if they need help. Like is common when a case first breaks, LE will ask the public's help for sightings or tips, but as they gather evidence and learn more, they become quieter. If it does not benefit LE they will not make any announcements. LE stands to gain nothing from announcing that BL is dead. Judgeing by LE's behavior, the only people that have info that can help them now is DB and JI.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

i doubt LE has any evidence of a SODDI that they are keeping to them self... they say they have no other suspects... and the parents have not been cleared... hmmm.


wishing everyone here a great canada day/fourth of july holiday!!! :seeya:

You could be right about LE not having any evidence of a SODDI.

Here's a hypothetical. What if LE found footprints outside of DB/JI house that do not match their shoe size's or shoes that they owned. Would LE announce to the public that information? I don't think so. The footprints could belong to an intruder that took Lisa and any announcement about them would be telling that person to get rid of the shoes.

Now some may say that anyone with half of a brain would have gotten rid of the shoes they wore in a situation like this, but not all criminals are smart.

So I don't know. Maybe LE has evidence like this that could show an intruder was possible and they have other evidence that points to Lisa's parents.

Is it possible that LE has conflicting evidence and this is why they have not made an arrest yet? JMO.

 

[hambirg]

I haven't seen much media promotion by LE in this case at all. What am I to make of that? That certain people are guilty of a crime? Or certain people are innocent? I don't believe that LE has told us enough to decide who is guilty or who is innocent. JMO.

But that's not their job. They're not going to tell the public those things. Their job is to build a solid case to hand over to the prosecutors who will decide if the case is solid enough to take to trial.

I do think there are things that can be surmised by LE's behavior though. There are things to be gleaned by what they do and what they don't do. But we, as the public, just aren't going to know the whole story unless there is a trial. And even then, there are often things behind the scenes that the public won't learn at trial.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

That's just not how it works though. LE will only go to the public if they need help. Like is common when a case first breaks, LE will ask the public's help for sightings or tips, but as they gather evidence and learn more, they become quieter. If it does not benefit LE they will not make any announcements. LE stands to gain nothing from announcing that BL is dead. Judgeing by LE's behavior, the only people that have info that can help them now is DB and JI.

Let me put it a different way then. How would it hurt LE if they announced that they have solid evidence that Lisa is dead?

The person/persons responsible would already know that she is dead. The only people who wouldn't know is the public. If the public has that information how would it harm the investigation?

Is LE so callous to the public that they would withhold that fact for no reason other than they would not benefit from it's release? I hope not. JMO.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

But that's not their job. They're not going to tell the public those things. Their job is to build a solid case to hand over to the prosecutors who will decide if the case is solid enough to take to trial.

I do think there are things that can be surmised by LE's behavior though. There are things to be gleaned by what they do and what they don't do. But we, as the public, just aren't going to know the whole story unless there is a trial. And even then, there are often things behind the scenes that the public won't learn at trial.

BBM
I agree 100% with your post and I want to comment on the part that I bolded.

What I'm getting from LE's not making an arrest of anyone yet, is that there not able to at this time. I don't think that their stalling or twiddling their thumbs.

It could be that they have evidence that's pointing to someone but its not enough to make an arrest and their working on getting more so an arrest can be affected. Or they have conflicting evidence pointing in different directions and their trying to work that out. I doubt that they have little in the way of evidence. But whatever they do have in the way of evidence, it's not enough for an arrest yet.

 

[hambirg]

Let me put it a different way then. How would it hurt LE if they announced that they have solid evidence that Lisa is dead?

The person/persons responsible would already know that she is dead. The only people who wouldn't know is the public. If the public has that information how would it harm the investigation?

Is LE so callous to the public that they would withhold that fact for no reason other than they would not benefit from it's release? I hope not. JMO.

They simply have no motive to share what kind of evidence they have.

I don't think it is callous. I think their job is to solidify a conviction.

Don't you think it hurt Susan Smith to go on tv and boohoo about the two black men that carjacked her, all the while knowing that wasn't the case?

Don't you think the jury considered Scott Peterson's performance all the while knowing exactly what happened to Lacy and Conner?

 

[hambirg]

BBM
I agree 100% with your post and I want to comment on the part that I bolded.

What I'm getting from LE's not making an arrest of anyone yet, is that there not able to at this time. I don't think that their stalling or twiddling their thumbs.

It could be that they have evidence that's pointing to someone but its not enough to make an arrest and their working on getting more so an arrest can be affected. Or they have conflicting evidence pointing in different directions and their trying to work that out. I doubt that they have little in the way of evidence. But whatever they do have in the way of evidence, it's not enough for an arrest yet.

I agree.

MOO. . .I think they know BL is deceased. I think they know it happened in the Lister home. I think they know DB and JI know what happened. BUT. . .I don't think LE has the evidence to secure a conviction from a jury as to exactly what happened. . .specifically. . .I don't think they know how BL died and that can be a problem in the eyes of the jury.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

They simply have no motive to share what kind of evidence they have.

I don't think it is callous. I think their job is to solidify a conviction.

Don't you think it hurt Susan Smith to go on tv and boohoo about the two black men that carjacked her, all the while knowing that wasn't the case?

Don't you think the jury considered Scott Peterson's performance all the while knowing exactly what happened to Lacy and Conner?

BBM.
You may be right in the fact that LE has no motive to announce that they have solid evidence that Lisa's dead. But it would definitely be a service to the public that may still be keeping an eye out for an alive Lisa Irwin.

I may be missing something here where such a announcement may harm the LE investigation and therefore would be inadvisable. I'm open to suggestions. Wrong thread for questions about Susan Smith and Scott Peterson JMO.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I agree.

MOO. . .I think they know BL is deceased. I think they know it happened in the Lister home. I think they know DB and JI know what happened. BUT. . .I don't think LE has the evidence to secure a conviction from a jury as to exactly what happened. . .specifically. . .I don't think they know how BL died and that can be a problem in the eyes of the jury.

BBM
I sure hope that Police and DA's aren't holding back on doing the right thing because of lack of a cause of death to give to a jury.

There have been case's with no body, no cause of death that have resulted in the arrest and conviction of the guilty party.

There just has be to be other evidence showing the guilt of the suspect for an arrest to be made. Granted, that doesn't always happen. Hopefully this isn't one of those cases. JMO.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

BBM.
You may be right in the fact that LE has no motive to announce that they have solid evidence that Lisa's dead. But it would definitely be a service to the public that may still be keeping an eye out for an alive Lisa Irwin.

I may be missing something here where such a announcement may harm the LE investigation and therefore would be inadvisable. I'm open to suggestions. Wrong thread for questions about Susan Smith and Scott Peterson JMO.

I've said it before but I don't understand why would they care if people are looking for Lisa. LE only gets a few tips a month in the case, and the number gets less and less as time goes by.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I've said it before but I don't understand why would they care if people are looking for Lisa. LE only gets a few tips a month in the case, and the number gets less and less as time goes by.

In my opinion it doesn't matter if LE cares or not. But I think that it matters to some members of the public.

 

[hambirg]

BBM
I sure hope that Police and DA's aren't holding back on doing the right thing because of lack of a cause of death to give to a jury.

There have been case's with no body, no cause of death that have resulted in the arrest and conviction of the guilty party.

There just has be to be other evidence showing the guilt of the suspect for an arrest to be made. Granted, that doesn't always happen. Hopefully this isn't one of those cases. JMO.

Usually in a no body case there is a crime scene. I don't think they have that here and I think that is what is holding them back. . .MOO.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Usually in a no body case there is a crime scene. I don't think they have that here and I think that is what is holding them back. . .MOO.

In a no body, no cause of death, no crime scene [as in where the murder actually took place] case that happened a few years ago in my area, the killer was arrested and convicted nonetheless.

It was a circumstantial case with video of him with the victim, the victims DNA in his car, and scratches on him that looked like the victim inflicted on him. But they had no forensic evidence that she was dead, how she died or were she died. The victims name is Christie Wilson.

What I'm trying to say is, if there's evidence of guilt but there's no body, no cause of death, no crime scene, it doesn't mean that an arrest and conviction is impossible.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/w/wilson_christie.html

 

[eileenhawkeye]

In my opinion it doesn't matter if LE cares or not. But I think that it matters to some members of the public.

But it does matter whether LE cares or not; they would be the ones who decide whether to make that announcement. :waitasec: How often does LE come out and say that they believe a victim is deceased when there hasn't been an arrest? LE hasn't made any announcements in a long time; They are going to hold a press conference now to say that Lisa is dead so the minuscule amount of sightings they received in the past months can stop? Why would LE care that someone in Ohio is looking for Lisa every time she goes out? How is that their problem?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

But it does matter whether LE cares or not; they would be the ones who decide whether to make that announcement. :waitasec: How often does LE come out and say that they believe a victim is deceased when there hasn't been an arrest? LE hasn't made any announcements in a long time; They are going to hold a press conference now to say that Lisa is dead so the minuscule amount of sightings they received in the past months can stop? Why would LE care that someone in Ohio is looking for Lisa every time she goes out? How is that their problem?

Looks like we're going to have to agree that we disagree on this one. I've stated why I think that LE should announce that Lisa's dead if they have solid evidence of that fact. You disagree with my point of view. I'm perfectly fine with that.

 

[iamnotagolem]

If LE knows Lisa is dead and doesn't announce it, it just gives DB and ji more rope to hang themselves with. They don't know what evidence LE has regarding Lisa and if they killed Lisa and continue to go to the media with ridiculous stories it can all be used against them at trial. If LE announces that Lisa is dead then ji and DB wouldn't continue to make stuff up to use against them at trial. JMO

How many people are still looking for an alive Lisa? I would guess outside of websleuths there might be 5 other people in the united states that would even recognize the name.