Why is Tim Miller as a Material Witness "significant"?

[ExpectingUnicorns]

It just dawned on me. If they think there was someone who helped her, they must have got that story from KC.

And we all know how trustworthy her stories are. And how long she will stick with her story, no matter what....

I thought maybe they were going to try to show that someone had attempted to set Casey up by planting the body near her home to make her look more suspicious (is that possible?). I don't think they're trying to show anyone helped her. . . But, who knows with this crew?

 

[Balthazar]

Okay but on a Jamie Floyd show interview, one of the Defense Atty's. stated that if they can show the body was moved then that would prove Casey's innocense - his remark is what got me thinking "no it won't". What might be the additional "proof" hypothetically? Just curious.

That's what I want to know! What the heck is the defense story going to be? These attorneys are not stupid, they know there has to be more to the story than Casey didn't do it because the body wasn't there in July or August. They have a lot to explain if they are going to completely exonerate her, as they claim. That's what is so intriguing to me - they are not saying she's Not Guilty, they are saying they can completely exonerate her! That's some pretty big talk!

 

[Woe.be.gone]

If Tim Miller is a material witness, can the defense attack his reputation? IIRC, Wasn't there a rumor at the time they were searching that Tim was drinking too much-instead of looking for Caylee? I don't think this fishing trip would be "relevant" but would they try>? I do not know much about law, but what does it mean if he was made a material witness for the defense and why is this a win for the defense?

I'm really not trying to be a smart arse but if there would be any time I would need a drink it would have been after trying to deal with these people - it would not be long before I would break down and fall down. Either that or I'd probably return with my own hammer. :bang: So, if that is TM's weakness (and I have no idea if it is or isn't), I can't say I'd blame him for giving in to it during that time. He's probably never encountered anything like it (CA) before and he is not some sheltered dude.

TM experienced, imo, the ultimate "no good deed goes unpunished" attitude.

 

[Balthazar]

I thought maybe they were going to try to show that someone had attempted to set Casey up by planting the body near her home to make her look more suspicious (is that possible?). I don't think they're trying to show anyone helped her. . . But, who knows with this crew?

I agree this is the most likely defense scenario. The who and why of it is the most intriguing part.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

How about this.. Folks that do these sorts of things, pretty much know what is expected, what they can get away with, etc.

Like the Judge said in court room, he was going to allow the defense some access to those files, cause he can see how they needed the info.

NM and even TM realized that they had files on potential witnesses. It's pretty standard stuff to want to talk to witnesses. Which is why they were ready, with the info, when the motion came up.

The goal was to protect those that do not qualify as a witness. Most likely BC agreed to the rules from the get go. JB most likely did not.

It was a good move, cause he was going to have to allow access anyway. And he could figure out what was a reasonable access. When he went to court, he was able to say that CB did it, so JB could do it that way as well.

When he went to court, he said he located the files with possible witness. Told what was used to decided who such persons should be. (Went within so many yards of where the body was found.) Said defense could review the records in a monitored situation, no photos,e tc.. to verify that there are no other possible persons. And if possible persons are found, the info is to be given to the judge. JB can't take the info home wiht him, until the Judge approves. And JB has to pay all the cost ahead of time.

Can't blame NM for holding up the trial... He had all his eggs in a basket, ready to hand over.

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No we can't. The fact that NM needed to present his case first so that he could leave the court to assist his little girl with her first day of school made quite a statement; the irony seemed palatable to me.

 

[jon_burrows]

Okay but on a Jamie Floyd show interview, one of the Defense Atty's. stated that if they can show the body was moved then that would prove Casey's innocense - his remark is what got me thinking "no it won't". What might be the additional "proof" hypothetically? Just curious.

I don't understand the defense theory. I don't mean to be gruesome but the medical taking heads said Caylee's body would have been completely skeletonized within two-three weeks. She wasn't reported missing for 31 days and searchers didn't go out on foot right away because of the pack of lies Casey was telling.

I'm going to assume that after 31 + days, her bones would have been scattered. Is the defense trying to say someone actually collected all the bones and placed them near the Anthony home? Impossible.

 

[magic-cat]

I don't understand the defense theory. I don't mean to be gruesome but the medical taking heads said Caylee's body would have been completely skeletonized within two-three weeks. She wasn't reported missing for 31 days and searchers didn't go out on foot right away because of the pack of lies Casey was telling.

I'm going to assume that after 31 + days, her bones would have been scattered. Is the defense trying to say someone actually collected all the bones and placed them near the Anthony home? Impossible.

The defense is grasping at this point. They have a liar for a client, who has made statements to LE that have gotten her additional charges FOR those lies. She has a baby, let that sink in, a BABY, missing for 31 days and says nothing to one single soul. Not only THAT but she is robbing and stealing DURING those 31 days and partying her Casey a$$ off and never giving a thought to her MISSING baby! The defense have nothing, not one thing, so they are blowing smoke and playing with mirrors. They already lost and they KNOW they have already lost, but they are ALL going to milk it for all it's worth. And you know what? It is no less than Casey deserves for what SHE has done to Caylee.

 

[Kentjbkent]

I thought maybe they were going to try to show that someone had attempted to set Casey up by planting the body near her home to make her look more suspicious (is that possible?). I don't think they're trying to show anyone helped her. . . But, who knows with this crew?

Yeah, but I still can't forget KC stating in one of the early jail tapes after her first arrest (speaking to Lee I believe?) that she felt really strongly that Caylee was "close to home"

 

[Kentjbkent]

I don't understand the defense theory. I don't mean to be gruesome but the medical taking heads said Caylee's body would have been completely skeletonized within two-three weeks. She wasn't reported missing for 31 days and searchers didn't go out on foot right away because of the pack of lies Casey was telling.

I'm going to assume that after 31 + days, her bones would have been scattered. Is the defense trying to say someone actually collected all the bones and placed them near the Anthony home? Impossible.

Just occurred to me, do you think it is possible that the reason KC waited so long to play the "kidnapped by the babysitter story"? Knowing that the longer time went by, the more difficult the cause of death, toxicology, etc could be determined?

As it was, she pulled it off for 31 days, but that was because Cindy interjected herself. Wonder how long KC would have waited to sound the alarm had Cindy NOT gotten involved....

 

[magic-cat]

Just occurred to me, do you think it is possible that the reason KC waited so long to play the "kidnapped by the babysitter story"? Knowing that the longer time went by, the more difficult the cause of death, toxicology, etc could be determined?

As it was, she pulled it off for 31 days, but that was because Cindy interjected herself. Wonder how long KC would have waited to sound the alarm had Cindy NOT gotten involved....

Forever, she would have waited forever. She had no reason TO tell and every reason to hide what she had done. Of course the longer it took for anyone to find out the less likely there would be any evidence left to find. OR she may have gone back at some later point in the future and made SURE there would be nothing to find. Who knows what was in the mind of this psycopath? She does.

 

[Kentjbkent]

Forever, she would have waited forever. She had no reason TO tell and every reason to hide what she had done. Of course the longer it took for anyone to find out the less likely there would be any evidence left to find. OR she may have gone back at some later point in the future and made SURE there would be nothing to find. Who knows what was in the mind of this psycopath? She does.

Man, that is a scary (but probable) thought!

 

[MissJames]

I don't understand the defense theory. I don't mean to be gruesome but the medical taking heads said Caylee's body would have been completely skeletonized within two-three weeks. She wasn't reported missing for 31 days and searchers didn't go out on foot right away because of the pack of lies Casey was telling.

I'm going to assume that after 31 + days, her bones would have been scattered. Is the defense trying to say someone actually collected all the bones and placed them near the Anthony home? Impossible.

Excellent point!

 

[yolorado]

What happened to 'when you find out what really happened, you'll understand everything Casey's done?' Now it's 'she might not have dumped the body so she couldn't have done it?' Seriously, WTH?!! STILL, there is no explanation as to what DID happen? There is no Zanny? There never was. There never will be. So what was all that lying about when her daughter was missing and then dead? If KC is innocent, then where is the last place she saw Caylee and with whom, and why not say right away? Why not say right now? I hate our justice system. It's nice for the perp and defense lawyers. The victims, society...not at all.

 

[Balthazar]

I don't understand the defense theory. I don't mean to be gruesome but the medical taking heads said Caylee's body would have been completely skeletonized within two-three weeks. She wasn't reported missing for 31 days and searchers didn't go out on foot right away because of the pack of lies Casey was telling.

I'm going to assume that after 31 + days, her bones would have been scattered. Is the defense trying to say someone actually collected all the bones and placed them near the Anthony home? Impossible.

The only thing I can think of that could make some sense out of this piece of the defense story is that the defense is going to claim that Caylee died later than June 15/16.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Forever, she would have waited forever. She had no reason TO tell and every reason to hide what she had done. Of course the longer it took for anyone to find out the less likely there would be any evidence left to find. OR she may have gone back at some later point in the future and made SURE there would be nothing to find. Who knows what was in the mind of this psycopath? She does.

Except the confusing thing to me about this line of thought is then why all the artifacts - the blanket, the heart, leaving the clothes, etc.

You'd think those things would not have been left with the body if one just wanted to hide evidence, no?

Nothing makes any sense, nothing.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

The only thing I can think of that could make some sense out of this piece of the defense story is that the defense is going to claim that Caylee died later than June 15/16.

Doesn't fly because of the car/decomp though. Too many coinkydinks to explain away.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

It just dawned on me. If they think there was someone who helped her, they must have got that story from KC.

And we all know how trustworthy her stories are. And how long she will stick with her story, no matter what....

AD said during her interview with LE that she felt that KC must have had help if she had anything to do with hiding Caylee's body. AD said that she didn't think KC was "that smart" to do that on her own.

It seems to me that CA invents most of the stories. :waitasec:

 

[faefrost]

I really bothered me when JB made the statement in court that they could show that the body had been moved after KC was in jail and that would prove KC innocent, and everyone let it stand and no one contradicted him.

I know why SA did not bother speak up, they all knew it was just hyperbole and to even bother to contradict would sound like childish bickering and the Judge would rightly call them on it and tell them to get back to business. But, KC was sitting right their listening and believing that thus JB was going to save her.

Most people realize that there is little hope that KC will be found innocent, that the best she can hope for is life – but KC does not believe that because JB has convinced her he can get her off, thus she will not plea deal.

In letting this JB’s lie stand – it further convinces KC that there is a good chance for acquittal, and thus the state will spend over 7 million dollars for a trail that did not need to take place.

They let JB's statement stand uncontradicted for two reasons.

1. This wasn't the forum to contradict his more extreme claims of theories etc. That is the actual trial. You can't and really don't want to call the defense attorney a lying sack of something until you reach the trial stage. Even if he so obviously is. That type encounter is best reserved for in front of a jury where it carries weight.

2. The Prosecuotrs are quietly salivating at this absurd theory of JB's. The moment he brings up the subject of the body being moved, the prosecutors can easily raise the rebutal that the only parties known to have been in that area and recorded in the area were the agents of the A's and/or the defense. It brings in DC's testimony, the video, etc and opens him up to direct questions about what he was doing there and on who's orders. And I believe it does so without him having to give the full prior disclosure to the defense of what he will testify. Florida's laws make it so both sides no the testimony being offered by the other ahead of time. I am not sure if that applies to non expert rebuttal witnesses.

 

[LeLe1953]

The reason JB wants to question the searchers is that JB hopes to find people to testify that they were in the area but did not see a body, and thus will make the case that if they did not find the body, it was not there. For example say he gets a searcher to testify – the testimony could go like this.

JB: You state that you have helped TM with 7 searches now and that you might have walked within 2 feet of where the body was found back in August , but did not see a body is that true?
Witness John Smith: Yes sir, you see the water …
JB: Just answer the question!

Then in his closing arguments JB could argue:
“You heard from John Smith, who is a veteran searcher that he searched the area within just a few inches of where the body was found and saw nothing. He saw nothing because there was no body”.

Yeah & look how many idiots are out there. Many will say they searched that area, either with TES or on their own & there was no body there just to be part of the case. I know of a situation where someone in an email to me said they searched & have pictures of their search. This was a search on their own, but still, if you really had pictures I would think you would turn then over. Tim will be an excellent witness b/c if he says he & "this group" searched this area, then you can take it to the bank. Those like Tim, who don't have a horse in the race, have no reason to be untruthful. I believe he is an honest man above reproach.

 

[LeLe1953]

They let JB's statement stand uncontradicted for two reasons.

1. This wasn't the forum to contradict his more extreme claims of theories etc. That is the actual trial. You can't and really don't want to call the defense attorney a lying sack of something until you reach the trial stage. Even if he so obviously is. That type encounter is best reserved for in front of a jury where it carries weight.

2. The Prosecuotrs are quietly salivating at this absurd theory of JB's. The moment he brings up the subject of the body being moved, the prosecutors can easily raise the rebutal that the only parties known to have been in that area and recorded in the area were the agents of the A's and/or the defense. It brings in DC's testimony, the video, etc and opens him up to direct questions about what he was doing there and on who's orders. And I believe it does so without him having to give the full prior disclosure to the defense of what he will testify. Florida's laws make it so both sides no the testimony being offered by the other ahead of time. I am not sure if that applies to non expert rebuttal witnesses.

I agree JB has KC snowed into believing he is gonna be her knight in shinning armour and have her set free, but I also think it doesn't take much for the princess baby killer to believe she will get out.........after all, she is so freaking special!