Why is Tim Miller as a Material Witness "significant"?

[Balthazar]

Doesn't fly because of the car/decomp though. Too many coinkydinks to explain away.

The defense would have to discredit the odor analysis, IMO. Clearly, they are looking to do that - hence all the questions about the lab that did the odor analysis. It's awkward that the lab is in the midst of trying to sell their odor analysis technology to LE across the country. I'm sure that will be brought up by the defense as an issue to attempt to get the testing thrown out.

 

[kushka]

They let JB's statement stand uncontradicted for two reasons.

1. This wasn't the forum to contradict his more extreme claims of theories etc. That is the actual trial. You can't and really don't want to call the defense attorney a lying sack of something until you reach the trial stage. Even if he so obviously is. That type encounter is best reserved for in front of a jury where it carries weight.

2. The Prosecuotrs are quietly salivating at this absurd theory of JB's. The moment he brings up the subject of the body being moved, the prosecutors can easily raise the rebutal that the only parties known to have been in that area and recorded in the area were the agents of the A's and/or the defense. It brings in DC's testimony, the video, etc and opens him up to direct questions about what he was doing there and on who's orders. And I believe it does so without him having to give the full prior disclosure to the defense of what he will testify. Florida's laws make it so both sides no the testimony being offered by the other ahead of time. I am not sure if that applies to non expert rebuttal witnesses.

I understand why SA did not bother speak up. That was not the point of my post.

My point was that I believed that one of the reasons that the defense made the statement that they could show that the body had been moved after KC was in jail and that would prove KC innocent, was for KC to hear it stated as fact in front of the whole court, knowing no one would contradict him, and thus reinforcing KC’s believe that JB could get her a not guilty verdict.

I, like most people, see no way for KC not to be found guilty. If KC could be brought to see that also, if she only had lawyers looking out for her best interest, then she would see that it is in her best interest to have her lawyers plea bargain for her instead taking this farce to trail, and thus costing the state millions. But, regretfully her lawyers care only for their own publicity.

What I believe will happen with this case is that after at least another year, and a mountain of motions and a change of venue, KC will be found guilty and sentenced to life. She will not get the death penalty. The state will lose millions and thus more police and fireman and teachers will lose their jobs and road will go unpaved. No one will be happy with the outcome except AL who will post on her website “She never lost a DP case” .

This depresses me greatly.

 

[Kentjbkent]

Except the confusing thing to me about this line of thought is then why all the artifacts - the blanket, the heart, leaving the clothes, etc.

You'd think those things would not have been left with the body if one just wanted to hide evidence, no?

Nothing makes any sense, nothing.

Because I think she knew there was a possibly that the body and everything else that she placed in the bag would eventually be found (when SHE decided to sound the alarm)....but by the time she decided to break out the nanny story, it would be the NANNY who put Caylee and all her belongings in her possession in the bag and dumped it. Less likely that someone would stumble on a piece of evidence (blanket, clothing, etc) if each item was dumped in a different area and gave KC all the control on WHEN she would break out the "nanny stole my baby" story. I still think Casey figured as long as they could not prove cause of death, her nanny story was inrefutable.

 

[Kentjbkent]

Yeah & look how many idiots are out there. Many will say they searched that area, either with TES or on their own & there was no body there just to be part of the case. .

This is certainly possible, but I think the likelihood has been drastically minimized by Strickland limiting the searcher information given to Baez to the 32 searchers pinpointed by TM, as opposed to Baez having access to the contact information for the thousands who registered to search for TES at some point.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

The defense would have to discredit the odor analysis, IMO. Clearly, they are looking to do that - hence all the questions about the lab that did the odor analysis. It's awkward that the lab is in the midst of trying to sell their odor analysis technology to LE across the country. I'm sure that will be brought up by the defense as an issue to attempt to get the testing thrown out.

Odor analysis that is good enough for me is - CA exclaiming into the telephone during a call to 911 that it smells as if there has been a dead body in her daughter's car that they found that day. That they found her daughter but not their granddaughter.

Maybe it's just me but they could have skipped the odor analysis science part. Lee also said it was like nothing else he has ever smelled. The towyard man said it smelled like another car that he knows a man had committed suicide in and KC herself text AH that her car was suffering from a very foul odor.

What is that saying? To error on the side of common sense. At some point one must make a fair judgement call sometimes - enough of the science already. :crazy:

 

[Kentjbkent]

I agree JB has KC snowed into believing he is gonna be her knight in shinning armour and have her set free, but I also think it doesn't take much for the princess baby killer to believe she will get out.........after all, she is so freaking special!

Thankfully, I have never had the need for a defense attorney, so have a question for those involved in the legal field.

If you have a client that you KNOW is lying to you (on more than one occasion, but still insists it is the truth...think KC), how do you respond? Do you continually call her out on it ("I KNOW that is not the truth....") or do you try to seek out the truth as best as you can so you can work on a defense, leaving the defendant thinking they are SNOWING you!

Just wondering if maybe it is not JB who is snowed thinking KC's version is the truth, but that she THINKS he is buying it because he isn't calling her out on it. If she feels like she has already CONNED JB, I am sure she feels confident that he can use the same story and con the courts as well.

JB...well, he just thinks he's a star.....

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I understand why SA did not bother speak up. That was not the point of my post.

My point was that I believed that one of the reasons that the defense made the statement that they could show that the body had been moved after KC was in jail and that would prove KC innocent, was for KC to hear it stated as fact in front of the whole court, knowing no one would contradict him, and thus reinforcing KC’s believe that JB could get her a not guilty verdict.

I, like most people, see no way for KC not to be found guilty. If KC could be brought to see that also, if she only had lawyers looking out for her best interest, then she would see that it is in her best interest to have her lawyers plea bargain for her instead taking this farce to trail, and thus costing the state millions. But, regretfully her lawyers care only for their own publicity.

What I believe will happen with this case is that after at least another year, and a mountain of motions and a change of venue, KC will be found guilty and sentenced to life. She will not get the death penalty. The state will lose millions and thus more police and fireman and teachers will lose their jobs and road will go unpaved. No one will be happy with the outcome except AL who will post on her website “She never lost a DP case” .

This depresses me greatly.

Not to mention all the other horrible things going on around us that are not/do not get half as much attention or consideration for what is fair and what is not fair, etc. What is it that this one case has been so intensely scrutinized and so many allowances made, etc.? I can't understand it really (even about myself getting in so deep). But you are so right, it just doesn't seem - can't even think of the right word (balanced?, kosher?, just?).

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Because I think she knew there was a possibly that the body and everything else that she placed in the bag would eventually be found (when SHE decided to sound the alarm)....but by the time she decided to break out the nanny story, it would be the NANNY who put Caylee and all her belongings in her possession in the bag and dumped it. Less likely that someone would stumble on a piece of evidence (blanket, clothing, etc) if each item was dumped in a different area and gave KC all the control on WHEN she would break out the "nanny stole my baby" story. I still think Casey figured as long as they could not prove cause of death, her nanny story was inrefutable.

Oh, you mean you're referring to the fact that everything was scattered? I just don't know how KC could have been so assured that no one would have found the body in the bags earlier on though. I mean, assuming they were there, they could have - just didn't pan out that way. I doubt a nanny would have gone through all the trouble of placing hearts and stuff, do you? (I know there isn't a nanny - just say'n). The whole thing defies common sense anyway so we're wasting our breath half the time trying to figure it out imo.

I still can't get over the notion that CA is involved in the whole mess some how. She sure has done her share in making bigger messes.

 

[Balthazar]

Odor analysis that is good enough for me is - CA exclaiming into the telephone during a call to 911 that it smells as if there has been a dead body in her daughter's car that they found that day. That they found her daughter but not their granddaughter.

Maybe it's just me but they could have skipped the odor analysis science part. Lee also said it was like nothing else he has ever smelled. The towyard man said it smelled like another car that he knows a man had committed suicide in and KC herself text AH that her car was suffering from a very foul odor.

What is that saying? To error on the side of common sense. At some point one must make a fair judgement call sometimes - enough of the science already. :crazy:

While I agree, I think that the defense will likely get Cindy on the stand and she'll say that she just said the car "smells like a dead body" because she wanted to police to hurry up and come out to her house since she had been waiting for hours. The defense is going to do everything they can do to obscure the evidence.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

While I agree, I think that the defense will likely get Cindy on the stand and she'll say that she just said the car "smells like a dead body" because she wanted to police to hurry up and come out to her house since she had been waiting for hours. The defense is going to do everything they can do to obscure the evidence.

She'd better hope that I'm not sitting on the jury then because that would have been her third big mistake. The first one is everything having to do with KC and the second one is the 31 days of ignoring (or claiming to) the fact that your granddaughter was nowhere in sight.

 

[Bittiness39]

While I agree, I think that the defense will likely get Cindy on the stand and she'll say that she just said the car "smells like a dead body" because she wanted to police to hurry up and come out to her house since she had been waiting for hours. The defense is going to do everything they can do to obscure the evidence.

Which is what any defense does. Not saying I blame them for it. It is the prosecution that has to prove BRD that the defendent is guilty. Having said that...we as a society would all be far better off, if people like KC, who are so obviously guilty would just admit it, take their punishment and get out of the way.

As far as TM being named a material witness, I think it works both ways. The defense will have to pay up to get him there and pay for the records. What disturbs me so much about this...is not that the defense has access to all of the records (the 32 people they get outright; the thousands who volunteered they will have to review at Najame's office--just not get photocopies) is the fact that this may hinder future searches...future groups from searching.

Fact: KC was last seen with Caylee. Fact: KC has lied about the circumstances time and again. Fact: there were paper towels with human decomp on them in the trash bag found in her trunk. Fact: human decomp was found in her trunk. Fact: she had sole possession of the vehicle no matter whether there might have been an odd passenger or two. Fact: She didn't show any care that her daughter was missing. Fact: She lied about a phone call from the napper to KC where Caylee was put on the phone.

KC is guilty. Society is better off trying to find justice for the wronged then to try and help the wrongdoers get away on a technicality.

I just hope this does not harm future searches. The likelihood of a search like TM's yielding results that can help rather than harm is a zillion times more likely than KC being anything other than a parasite on the human experience.

And if you need proof of that...check my sig...guess she just "borrowed" that money or felt entitled to it. Whatever the case, she certainly didn't spend that cash on anything other than KC.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I so agree with everything you said LittleBitty except one thing -

the last person who was seen with Caylee was Cindy. Think about it a second and then correct me if I am wrong. Thanks. :blowkiss:

 

[Bittiness39]

I so agree with everything you said LittleBitty except one thing -

the last person who was seen with Caylee was Cindy. Think about it a second and then correct me if I am wrong. Thanks. :blowkiss:

Well considering the source of the information. Both GA and KC. I gotcha. I highly doubt CA had anything to do with Caylee's murder/death or disappearance...sorry for all the illiteration...I just mean that up until the day CA went with AH on that scavenger hunt for a certain garden tool (KC) CA had no clue about where Caylee was or what had happened.
But again...we have to rely on the words of an Anthony...as to who was where and when.

:blowkiss:

 

[Woe.be.gone]

The garden tool comment is too funny - thanks for your reply. :crazy:

 

[azwriter]

The defense is grasping at this point. They have a liar for a client, who has made statements to LE that have gotten her additional charges FOR those lies. She has a baby, let that sink in, a BABY, missing for 31 days and says nothing to one single soul. Not only THAT but she is robbing and stealing DURING those 31 days and partying her Casey a$$ off and never giving a thought to her MISSING baby! The defense have nothing, not one thing, so they are blowing smoke and playing with mirrors. They already lost and they KNOW they have already lost, but they are ALL going to milk it for all it's worth. And you know what? It is no less than Casey deserves for what SHE has done to Caylee.

magic-cat, I bow to your excellent post.

 

[static]

This is the guy I think Baez is looking for
posted on another thread and not sure where to put this
http://www.wesh.com/video/18255174/index.html

 

[OneLostGrl]

Thankfully, I have never had the need for a defense attorney, so have a question for those involved in the legal field.

If you have a client that you KNOW is lying to you (on more than one occasion, but still insists it is the truth...think KC), how do you respond? Do you continually call her out on it ("I KNOW that is not the truth....") or do you try to seek out the truth as best as you can so you can work on a defense, leaving the defendant thinking they are SNOWING you!

Just wondering if maybe it is not JB who is snowed thinking KC's version is the truth, but that she THINKS he is buying it because he isn't calling her out on it. If she feels like she has already CONNED JB, I am sure she feels confident that he can use the same story and con the courts as well.

JB...well, he just thinks he's a star.....

I'm not a lawyer but it's been my experience that many lawyers don't want to know the truth about your guilt or innocence. They want you to be honest with them about what they will eventually learn from the "other side" (like if you know your purse is at the scene of the crime, or that a person you claim you were with at the time of the crime has already admitted to LE that they were not with you, things like that) they tend to get a tad upset when they are not properly prepared (rightfully so, IMO! It's your lawyer, how can he help you if you lie to him?).

Casey is in for a rude awakening if she thinks she's conned JoseB, and will be plenty pissed when she finds it has been him that's conning her all this time!

 

[dizzychick]

The defense can theorize this all it desires, however, since Casey did not go to jail until October 14th and the botanists will testify (and have already stated) that Caylee was there AT LEAST (that means at a minimum) four months...well, that puts the ball squarely back in Casey's court so to speak.

I think it only proves she had an accomplice. Remember the stink in the car, the hair with deathband, the chloroform traces, the chloroform hits on her puter. It wont work. How did all of that evidence wind up in her possession. Oh yeah the excuses for the smell and the dumping of the car. Noone will buy this theory.

If I were the defense, I would direct a spotlight on those dogs that searched the area. If they really are that good then why didnt they trot down the street to find the body if it was really there? Ive seen those dogs follow " air scents" for miles.

 

[LambChop]

I so agree with everything you said LittleBitty except one thing -

the last person who was seen with Caylee was Cindy. Think about it a second and then correct me if I am wrong. Thanks. :blowkiss:

But the last one who admits seeing Caylee was KC.

 

[whiteangora]

Yeah & look how many idiots are out there. Many will say they searched that area, either with TES or on their own & there was no body there just to be part of the case. I know of a situation where someone in an email to me said they searched & have pictures of their search. This was a search on their own, but still, if you really had pictures I would think you would turn then over. Tim will be an excellent witness b/c if he says he & "this group" searched this area, then you can take it to the bank. Those like Tim, who don't have a horse in the race, have no reason to be untruthful. I believe he is an honest man above reproach.

Something has been nagging at me about Tim being a witness. I'm hoping that neither side decides to drag him through the mud and bring his personal life into the light and try to discredit him in any way. He doesn't deserve to be embarrassed on the stand, but who knows what kind of ugly questions might be asked?