Why Not Burke?

[Maikai]

What you say about cancer survivors is kind of the reason I believe John was not molesting JonBenet. He had already lost a child and was by all accounts utterly devastated, therefore, I tend to think his remaining children were unbelievably dear to him.

However, neither reasoning disproves a tragic accident and a cover up.

A father doesn't sexually abuse another child because one died, unless he's one sick guy, and JR had absolutely no history of ever having thoughts that way, or being sexually interested in a child. The prisons are full of guys that do like little girls, but there's always a history.

 

[Brefie]

A father doesn't sexually abuse another child because one died, unless he's one sick guy, and JR had absolutely no history of ever having thoughts that way, or being sexually interested in a child. The prisons are full of guys that do like little girls, but there's always a history.

Umm.....huh?

Perhaps I wasn't clear enough - I give John a pass on the murder and molestation as I believe having lost one child he would not harm a hair on the head of any remaining children.

 

[Brefie]

All I can say to this is my daughter was a cancer survivor. But all everyone akin to me shared was giving footballs at high school games and coming to my town, ostendsiblity to see my daughter but wanting to be escorted to Braves games. It was an exercise in family dynamics that I have never forgotten. And won't to this day.It is called dysfunction.

I'm terribly sorry about your daughter having cancer, but happy to hear she is a survivor.

 

[narlacat]

How have you come to know Patsy? By what you read on the forums, and heard from the likes of Steve Thomas? I've talked to people that knew the family in Boulder, and no one has anything negative at all to say--with the worst I've heard is one person didn't like the showy decoration in the house---not exactly Boulder style. As far as Patsy, she had a reputation of donating time to charities...being very kind and generous to people, and she was a wonderful mother, not just to her own children, but to JR's children from his previous marriage. There were comments that some people were very jealous of the family.

And what do you know about cancer survivors? When given a second chance--or at least more time, do you think they become homicidal maniacs that kill their children? I don't think so...I think they're grateful every morning they wake up and make the most of each day and cherish their family and friends even more.

That's what I like about the few here on the forum who believe in the Ramsey's innocence. They are mostly rude and have an attitude and Maikai you are no exception. What do I know about cancer survivors?? Did I even mention anything about Patsy's cancer to deserve a question put to me in that tone?
I don't think so.
Yes I have learnt alot about who Patsy Ramsey is on this forum, I just read a first hand account of someone who had delaings with her and look how she was acting. Are you saying concernedperson is lying??
You say you have talked to poeple who knew the family, well that is second hand information and yes I'd rather believe St who was somewhat closer to the case than you.

 

[capps]

Quote by Narlacat:
"That's what I like about the few here on the forum who believe in the Ramsey's innocence. They are mostly rude and have an attitude and Maikai you are no exception."

Narlacat,

That is a broad and unfair statement.
Many,many times I had to hold back for the sake of keeping peace,because posters made remarks such as: You would have to be an idiot..,or,No sense trying to reason because intruder believers have blinders on ... and so forth.

Anyway.I usually hold my tongue.But with your post above I felt I needed to make clear,that it goes both ways.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

A father doesn't sexually abuse another child because one died, unless he's one sick guy, and JR had absolutely no history of ever having thoughts that way, or being sexually interested in a child. The prisons are full of guys that do like little girls, but there's always a history.

IMO RDI'ers underestimate just how sick you have to be to sexually assault and kill a 6 year old girl. The R's just don't fit.

 

[narlacat]

Quote by Narlacat:
"That's what I like about the few here on the forum who believe in the Ramsey's innocence. They are mostly rude and have an attitude and Maikai you are no exception."

Narlacat,

That is a broad and unfair statement.
Many,many times I had to hold back for the sake of keeping peace,because posters made remarks such as: You would have to be an idiot..,or,No sense trying to reason because intruder believers have blinders on ... and so forth.

Anyway.I usually hold my tongue.But with your post above I felt I needed to make clear,that it goes both ways.

Well I am not you Capps and I'm sorry but I did nothing to deserve Maikai's tone. If you choose to ignore being treated unfairly that is your perogative, I choose not to.

 

[Maikai]

That's what I like about the few here on the forum who believe in the Ramsey's innocence. They are mostly rude and have an attitude and Maikai you are no exception. What do I know about cancer survivors?? Did I even mention anything about Patsy's cancer to deserve a question put to me in that tone?
I don't think so.
Yes I have learnt alot about who Patsy Ramsey is on this forum, I just read a first hand account of someone who had delaings with her and look how she was acting. Are you saying concernedperson is lying??
You say you have talked to poeple who knew the family, well that is second hand information and yes I'd rather believe St who was somewhat closer to the case than you.

I'm actually one of the more polite defenders of Ramsey innocence and tend to avoid catfights and confrontations---I don't take things personally (too often). I believe Lou Smit--solver of 200 homicides and cold cases, rather than "First Homicide Rookie ST."

As far as the cancer question, if you think you know Patsy Ramsey, then you'd also have to know the psyche of what she went through with the experimental treatment for stage 4 ovarian cancer. On December 25th, l996, Patsy had been given a clean bill of health...John's business was doing great...the kids were both doing great--she had a lot to be thankful for.

 

[Maikai]

All I can say to this is my daughter was a cancer survivor. But all everyone akin to me shared was giving footballs at high school games and coming to my town, ostendsiblity to see my daughter but wanting to be escorted to Braves games. It was an exercise in family dynamics that I have never forgotten. And won't to this day.It is called dysfunction.

I hope she's been able to win the battle against cancer. People don't know what to say when confronted with someone that has cancer--some feel uncomfortable as a result...may have been what was going on with some of the people that came to visit---they avoided the subject?

 

[concernedperson]

I hope she's been able to win the battle against cancer. People don't know what to say when confronted with someone that has cancer--some feel uncomfortable as a result...may have been what was going on with some of the people that came to visit---they avoided the subject?

Obviously you are very kind. But this isn't the case. Most people will express around the dinner table the horrific consequences of cancer to their children and the children will carry this to school. This causes the cancer victim to be a pariah.The absolute last thing a victim needs is to ostrasized, it is hard enough. But it is what stupidity can do. She is doing great....she has lots of inner strength...and it didn't come from her classmates. A woman to be admired in every way.

 

[Maikai]

Obviously you are very kind. But this isn't the case. Most people will express around the dinner table the horrific consequences of cancer to their children and the children will carry this to school. This causes the cancer victim to be a pariah.The absolute last thing a victim needs is to ostrasized, it is hard enough. But it is what stupidity can do. She is doing great....she has lots of inner strength...and it didn't come from her classmates. A woman to be admired in every way.

It's too bad they don't educate kids better--particularly since cancer isn't a death sentence anymore. A friend just finished chemo for breast cancer and has a 96% chance of survival. When first diagnosed, her 10 year old daughter was in a panic one night, demanding to know if she was going to catch it--thanks to her friend's counsel. They had somehow convinced her that she was going to catch it and die!

 

[narlacat]

I'm actually one of the more polite defenders of Ramsey innocence and tend to avoid catfights and confrontations---I don't take things personally (too often). I believe Lou Smit--solver of 200 homicides and cold cases, rather than "First Homicide Rookie ST."

As far as the cancer question, if you think you know Patsy Ramsey, then you'd also have to know the psyche of what she went through with the experimental treatment for stage 4 ovarian cancer. On December 25th, l996, Patsy had been given a clean bill of health...John's business was doing great...the kids were both doing great--she had a lot to be thankful for.

You are right, you are one of the more polite Ramsey defenders.
Still, I don't understand what I said to warrant your attitude. I understand it must be frustrating to be on your side of the fence, there's alot more of us than there are of you, but you guys are having the last laugh......the Ramsey's have never been charged with the death of their daughter and probably never will thanks to corruption and a legal system in desperate need of a review.

Patsy Ramsey is foremost a human being, just like you and me....are you defining her whole personality based on her having cancer?
I wish cancer didnt exist, I wish we didn't have to lose the ones we love to such an insidious disease, but that is the way it is, I can't change that fact.
I would never wish cancer on anyone and if you want to know, yes I have watched someone succumb to the disease and leave a hole in my life.
I'll say it again, I didn't mention Patsy's cancer, you did.
We all have our crosses to bear and at least Patsy Ramsey could afford the very best of cancer treatment and had a family that was willing to support her through the hard times. I'm sorry Patsy Ramsey has been afflicted with cancer, but, it doesn't change the fact that IMO she is involved in her daughter's death.
It is debatable that JonBenet was 'doing great'. She was 6 years old and had regressed to wearing pull ups in the day time. She had significant bed wetting problems, quite often had soiled underwear due to what Patsy referred to as 'dirtying' and had even been known to do poo poos in her bed. That is not my idea of a 6 year old 'doing great'.

 

[Maikai]

You are right, you are one of the more polite Ramsey defenders.
Still, I don't understand what I said to warrant your attitude.
Patsy Ramsey is foremost a human being, just like you and me....are you defining her whole personality based on her having cancer?

It is debatable that JonBenet was 'doing great'. She was 6 years old and had regressed to wearing pull ups in the day time. She had significant bed wetting problems, quite often had soiled underwear due to what Patsy referred to as 'dirtying' and had even been known to do poo poos in her bed. That is not my idea of a 6 year old 'doing great'.

No attitude--just asked the question on how you can really know Patsy Ramsey. It seems to me some of your perceptions are based on the tabloids and speculations based on others that dislike the Ramseys and have projected all kinds of evil attributes to them.

The cancer battle goes into the equation of what Patsy was all about. The treatments were brutal, and they were experimental--because it was Patsy's only hope. Her children were very young when diagnosed--and she had everything to live for. I don't see her murdering a beloved child, when all she wanted was to see her grow up.

JBR's bed-wetting problems were not significant--she could have had an immature bladder--could have regressed during Patsy' battle with cancer. There was no soiling--that was a Linda Hoffman Pugh statement when she found out she could get paid for negative stories. The bed-wetting issue was exagerated by Steve Thomas--trying to find a motive--that's all there is to it. It wasn't a big deal.

JBR had the world before her, and parents of financial means to expose her to all kinds of things. Like Broadway plays and lobster dinners the month before in NYC. She had a loving extended family that doted on her. In someone's scrwed up mind, she could have been the perfect kidnap victim.

 

[wenchie]

No attitude--just asked the question on how you can really know Patsy Ramsey. It seems to me some of your perceptions are based on the tabloids and speculations based on others that dislike the Ramseys and have projected all kinds of evil attributes to them.

The cancer battle goes into the equation of what Patsy was all about. The treatments were brutal, and they were experimental--because it was Patsy's only hope. Her children were very young when diagnosed--and she had everything to live for. I don't see her murdering a beloved child, when all she wanted was to see her grow up.

JBR's bed-wetting problems were not significant--she could have had an immature bladder--could have regressed during Patsy' battle with cancer. There was no soiling--that was a Linda Hoffman Pugh statement when she found out she could get paid for negative stories. The bed-wetting issue was exagerated by Steve Thomas--trying to find a motive--that's all there is to it. It wasn't a big deal.

JBR had the world before her, and parents of financial means to expose her to all kinds of things. Like Broadway plays and lobster dinners the month before in NYC. She had a loving extended family that doted on her. In someone's scrwed up mind, she could have been the perfect kidnap victim.

If she could have been the perfect kidnap victim - then why didn't the "kidnappers" kidnap her? In a kidnapping for ransom, money is the goal.

A kidnapper doesn't hang around the house for hours, molesting, washing, changing and writing on the victim, then leave a long comic book-style note with complex directions for delivering the ransom money - and then leave the dead victim right in the house.

A kidnapper would grab the child and run.

 

[Brefie]

If she could have been the perfect kidnap victim - then why didn't the "kidnappers" kidnap her? In a kidnapping for ransom, money is the goal.

A kidnapper doesn't hang around the house for hours, molesting, washing, changing and writing on the victim, then leave a long comic book-style note with complex directions for delivering the ransom money - and then leave the dead victim right in the house.

A kidnapper would grab the child and run.

A MAJOR factor in why I cannot get past the Ramseys. The IDI theory seems so 'out there' to me.

 

[sissi]

There is every reason to believe the "kidnapper" was making himself blameless through his writing of the ransom note.
Typically sociopathic he did not want the responsibility of a dead child on himself, so , he concocted a note telling John that he was responsible. He wanted to blame John, "she dies, she dies, and it's "your fault" John".

 

[SisterSocks]

Regardless of IDI or RDI, I have always wondered about the statement: "We do respect your bussiness but not the country that it serves." "Bussiness" seems to go with "kissiness" and seems consistent with a suspect who really wanted to hurt JR by hurting his daughter. That suspect would know about JR's past loss of his other daughter. After all, the last paragraph implies that the suspect knew JR personally.

You do make a good point...

 

[narlacat]

No attitude--just asked the question on how you can really know Patsy Ramsey. It seems to me some of your perceptions are based on the tabloids and speculations based on others that dislike the Ramseys and have projected all kinds of evil attributes to them.

The cancer battle goes into the equation of what Patsy was all about. The treatments were brutal, and they were experimental--because it was Patsy's only hope. Her children were very young when diagnosed--and she had everything to live for. I don't see her murdering a beloved child, when all she wanted was to see her grow up.

JBR's bed-wetting problems were not significant--she could have had an immature bladder--could have regressed during Patsy' battle with cancer. There was no soiling--that was a Linda Hoffman Pugh statement when she found out she could get paid for negative stories. The bed-wetting issue was exagerated by Steve Thomas--trying to find a motive--that's all there is to it. It wasn't a big deal.

JBR had the world before her, and parents of financial means to expose her to all kinds of things. Like Broadway plays and lobster dinners the month before in NYC. She had a loving extended family that doted on her. In someone's scrwed up mind, she could have been the perfect kidnap victim.

So, how do you know Patsy Ramsey and I don't?
You must know her personally then?
I don't live in the states, so I wasn't subjected to the media onslaught, I get most of my information from case related books and yes, the forums. Most of what I know is a fact, contrary to what you seem to think.
You state as fact that there was a stun gun used in the crime, when it was in no way proven to be true. One person you mentioned.....who didnt even view the body. So just who is being misinformed here?

The bed wetting issue wasn't exaggerated by ST, it was downplayed by Patsy. Patsy herself referred to the soiled underwear as 'dirtying'. Fleet White had on quite a few occasions brought JonBenet home from playing at his house, with her dirty underwear in a plastic bag and her wearing Daphne's clean underwear.
Wetting the bed most every night is not normal for a 6 year old child , nor his wearing pull ups in the day time, whichever way you look at it, you can safely say Jon Benet was having problems with her toileting.

JonBenet did have the world before her and yes she went to NYC and broadway plays but I suspect that is more to do with Patsy and Patsy being a snob than anything else. Just another thing for her to embellish in order o appear a certain way to the outside world.

 

[DeDee]

Of course I can't testify to any incest as I was never inside their home. But I have witnessed (which I have posted before) Patsy's rage. I call it black rage where someone gets rigid and the veins in their neck are bulging and the filth spewed from their mouths is incredible. I was working on a property where they were residents while their home was being built. There was a misunderstanding over a UPS delivery. She didn't want to have to pick it up in the leasing office, she wanted it hand delivered...our office was too busy and that wasn't usual anyway. She lit into one of my associates like a crazed devil from hell...I was way in the foreground but the sound of her voice resonated to the tops of the ceiling. It was incredible. That is my only direct experience with her and I personally never want another one. JMHO. Period.

Black rage....like a crazed devil from hell....

 

[Ambitioned]

Black rage....like a crazed devil from hell....

I could see that during her interrogation with Tom Haney. "You're going down the wrong path buddy!"

And that was the mild PR.

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