Why the Ramsays?

[Charlie]

what really grinds my gears is that Dr. Beauf wouldnt release JBR medical files, sure there is confidentiality concerns but a little girl is murdered and the police want to serve justice to her so what was so important in those medical files that overides this....fishy

There was evidence of chronic vaginal inflammation, shouldnt this alone been enough to serve a warrant to get those medical files.

 

[JMO8778]

I think PR wrote the RN,with JR dicatating parts of it to her.I think she used some of her own words in it as well..like the being rested and the 'gentlemen' part..too feminine for a man, IMO.And who else but a woman would think of details such as a large enough attache case.(rolling my eyes on that one..).
Plus there are several things that show a ruse,IMO.Like the last part where the writer calls JR by his first name.I think it was an attempt to make it appear JR was nowhere in the vicinity when the note was being written,when in fact I bet he was right there dictating parts of it...
And the $118,000..the amt of JR's bonus...simply to make it appear it was an inside job,just as JR said.

 

[BBB167893]

That's a good question, Why the Ramseys? Which I've been asking all along too. Can anyone think of some possible reasons, so that we could make a numbered list?

I already did!

SuperDave, you didn't ask your question of me specifically, but the answer would be "Don't know" because, sorry, I've forgotten, by the time I came to a spot to post. Um, something about the police not being objective, and I wasn't the one who said that.

Fair enough. But yes, my question was, if your argument is that the police aren't objective, why trust the case to people who are not only biased, but proud of it?

But Why the Ramseys?

Who else is there?

The RN was written on paper, and using a sharpie marker, from the R's home. IDI's like to say that is because the killer didn't want the police to trace the paper back to him. But, the paper was ordinary stuff available at any drug store, dept. store, stationer's, dollar store, etc. Likewise with the sharpies. How could police even begin to trace it to a specific individual? There must be literally thousands of homes in bolder with the same writing pads, and same sharpies.

Only a few billion pieces of paper like that made a year in this country.

 

[JMO8778]

what really grinds my gears is that Dr. Beauf wouldnt release JBR medical files, sure there is confidentiality concerns but a little girl is murdered and the police want to serve justice to her so what was so important in those medical files that overides this....fishy

Dr Beuf is a goof, IMO.He's very unprofessional..he encouraged PR to whine instead of empowering her to do what she could to help.If she couldnt walk,then put her in a wheelchair...I'm NOT saying that to be mean...it's just that if she wasn't guilty,then she would have felt better after knowing she did what she could to help.Oh yes,but that's the key to it,isn't it..

 

[JMO8778]

Pretty good theory. It explains why he found the body, and why it had to be right then.

I know we've discussed the time of the glass breaking before. I still find it hard to believe he could break glass w/o alerting the police upstairs. Maybe it's possible, and besides, he had nothing to loose.

No matter when it was done,I was trying to figure out,the first time I read DOI...why JR would specifically say those 2 things...one, that he didn't know FW had been in the basement b/f him that morning,and two,that he saw a strange vehicle in the alley behind the Barnhill's (but didn't report it at that time).He was trying to make FW look suspect,and if that didn't work,he had a backup plan by saying he saw a strange car in the alley that morning.
I don't know if it means anything or not,but I also have to wonder about the part where he says he checked the walk-in fridge,just in case JB was scared and was hiding in there.Maybe it means nothing,but was he trying to account for something?

 

[Eagle1]

I already did.

I'll have to look at previous pages, must have missed it. Thanks.

 

[Eagle1]

.........and two,that he saw a strange vehicle in the alley behind the Barnhill's (but didn't report it at that time).He was trying to make FW look suspect,and if that didn't work,he had a backup plan by saying he saw a strange car in the alley that morning.QUOTE]

It's indeed strange, many things, especially the strange car, and not pointing it out to police. Was it really there? Because wouldn't he have made a big thing of it to get himself off the hook if he could have showed it to them?

Editing to add, See how unbiased I really am?

 

[Eagle1]

..........

You mean like Judith saying she was a different kid after returning from Texas? The frequent trips to the school nurse?......

No, because by his own admission, one, he never gave her an internal exam, and two, he hadn't examined her for months before the murder.......

Yes, there is a receipt showing those price matches.......

The crime scene was inconsistent. That doesn't happen in real crimes, per the FBI. Plus, what reason would an intruder have to wrap the child lovingly?
.........Well, it's a more subtle procedure than you make it out to be. Besides, how well would you do if you had no real idea what an RN sounds like?

Like the Feds told the cops: intruders don't stage scenes........

These excerpts from a pg 3 post make some interesting points even though they're not the actual list I'm looking for. Re
{"Like the Feds told the cops: intruders don't stage scenes........"}

I'd simply say the obvious, There's always a first time for everything. Would think FBI people would realize that.

Someone seemed, in the RN especially, to be thoroughly enjoying staging, as if he thinks he's way smarter than anyone else and can stump everyone.

He's even bragging about the power to "monitor" the fam. So much more about this case than some parents killing children seems to be unprecedented. One could make a hasty generalization that "parents who kill their children don't write ransom notes", and other things about it.

I don't think this is at all your ordinary case. I'm afraid we're making a mistake trying to make it sound ordinary when it simply isn't.
We may not make any progress at all until we realize that. Maybe it's why the case isn't solved.

Maybe there are some other unprecedented cases.

I still haven't found any list of possible reasons "Why the Ramseys?"
Still looking through previous pages.

 

[Eagle1]

Corruption.
Inept LE.
Money talks.

And another reason, possibly a lot of evidence we don't know about.

 

[Eagle1]

I can't seem to find any post with a list of possible reasons "Why the Ramseys", SD, which is such a good question, so I'll just try to start one.

1. JR had lived in a foreign country, and well may have been contacted by the kind of people that would poison the Russian spy currently in the news. For doing a dossier for American/British investers, on someone in Russia. The spy business is a mysterious one, peopled by the kind who seem to like to get up close and personal, would want to know all about someone like JR.

2. And about companies in which to themselves invest?

3. Pedophiles' networking about pageants.

4. Daughter Beth had been accidented years before. Did that truck driver survive? Could that have been deliberate, for the same reason JonBenet was killed? So we'd need to look way back. Maybe to his divorce from his first wife? He did hire lawyers for her.

5. Tendency to choose wrong type of friends, some of them into some of the many cults around Boulder, as well as in normal religions.

6. ?

 

[Show Me]

.........and two,that he saw a strange vehicle in the alley behind the Barnhill's (but didn't report it at that time).He was trying to make FW look suspect,and if that didn't work,he had a backup plan by saying he saw a strange car in the alley that morning.QUOTE]

It's indeed strange, many things, especially the strange car, and not pointing it out to police. Was it really there? Because wouldn't he have made a big thing of it to get himself off the hook if he could have showed it to them?

Editing to add, See how unbiased I really am?

John told us in DOI how he spied the strange van in the alley watched it a few minutes and came to the conclusion it couldn't possibly contain 'monitoring foreign kidnappers'....John doesn't tell us how he came to the conclusion.

Guess the van had a sign on it which read...'No Monitoring Foreign Faction Kidnappers On Board'.

 

[JMO8778]

I can't seem to find any post with a list of possible reasons "Why the Ramseys", SD, which is such a good question, so I'll just try to start one.

1. JR had lived in a foreign country, and well may have been contacted by the kind of people that would poison the Russian spy currently in the news. For doing a dossier for American/British investers, on someone in Russia. The spy business is a mysterious one, peopled by the kind who seem to like to get up close and personal, would want to know all about someone like JR.

2. And about companies in which to themselves invest?

3. Pedophiles' networking about pageants.

4. Daughter Beth had been accidented years before. Did that truck driver survive? Could that have been deliberate, for the same reason JonBenet was killed? So we'd need to look way back. Maybe to his divorce from his first wife? He did hire lawyers for her.

5. Tendency to choose wrong type of friends, some of them into some of the many cults around Boulder, as well as in normal religions.

6. ?

If I recall correctly,I think the car Beth was riding in was hit by a truck in the rain when they were trying to get on the highway.I don't think it's likely that it could have been planned..sounds like an unfortunate accident.

 

[icedtea4me]

If I recall correctly,I think the car Beth was riding in was hit by a truck in the rain when they were trying to get on the highway.I don't think it's likely that it could have been planned..sounds like an unfortunate accident.

That is correct. There is no connection between what happened to Beth and her fiance and JonBenet's killing.


-Tea

 

[BBB167893]

I'll have to look at previous pages, must have missed it. Thanks.

I haven't posted it yet!

I'd simply say the obvious, There's always a first time for everything. Would think FBI people would realize that.

It wasn't just that, Eagle1. it was the other stuff, too.

And another reason, possibly a lot of evidence we don't know about.

According to the DA, everything's out in public already. The biggest reason, and Henry Lee will support me on this, is because they could never decide who did what specifically.

I can't seem to find any post with a list of possible reasons "Why the Ramseys", SD, which is such a good question, so I'll just try to start one.

No need! Here ya go:

-Fibers from Patsy's sweater were left in places she claimed to have never been in contact with: tied into the knots of the garrote, on the sticky side of the duct tape over Jonbenet's mouth, and in the blanket used to wrap the body.

-Fibers from John's black shirt found in the crotch of JonBenet's panties

-Testimony from Drs. John McCann, Virginia Rau, David Jones, James Monteleone, Ronald Wright and Richard Krugman that Jonbenet had been abused sexually for a matter of several weeks, directly contradicting Trip DeMuth's contention that no pathology existed in the Ramsey background

-Not even Patsy's own hired experts could say she didn't write the ransom note.

-That the autopsy directly contradicts the claim that JonBenet fought her killer, such as a total lack of defensive wounds, no fresh genetic material under her fingernails and no marks on the neck to show she either scratched at the cord or that it moved when on her

-That a living child would not have been restrained by the cords tied around her wrists

-Someone fed her pineapple after the time the Ramseys swore she was asleep

-The much vaunted DNA was too degraded to have been left that night by an intruder and has actually cleared no one, despite the Ramsey propaganda that it has.

-The total lack of disturbance on the window in the basement, including an intact spiderweb.

And that's just for openers!

 

[Chrishope]

Agreed, FW was considered a trusted friend i can see the rationale of the ramseys palming off Burke to them. Howvere LHP was considered "trusted" yet Patsy immediatly suspected her of involvement in the kidnapping so from the ramsey p.o.v everyone they knew were now considered potential suspects including fleet. Why couldnt somone have sat with burke in his room and entertained him during that day, upstairs far enough away from the drama going on down stairs. the only drama was really waiting for the infamous phone call, finding JB's body was a surprise something noone anticipated. So perhaps the rams knew that JBs body would be recovered and didnt want burke to be subjected to that. Its a hard call and imo shouldnt be used as a point of indicating rams guilt, hell theyre are plenty more we can look at

Oh, yeah, I think so too. I think they figured on her being found and didn't want Burke around when it happened.

 

[icedtea4me]

Here's something from DOI (pg 364) -

He might be part of a gang or from a foreign country where the use of a garrote would be familiar.


OMG! That's it! JonBenet was killed by members of the Boulder chapter of the Cryps or the Bloods! I'll bet it's because that homey John dissed them during a crack deal, or it was over some sort of turf dispute.


-Tea

 

[Show Me]

Here's something from DOI (pg 364) -

He might be part of a gang or from a foreign country where the use of a garrote would be familiar.

Yeah...'cause only a foreign faction person can tie a knot.....sailors in america use velcro.

 

[Eagle1]

Oh, I get it, SD, you're all reading the question "Why we think it's the Ramseys" and I was reading it, why would fate or people choose the Ramseys for this to happen to!

Am I the only one?

Anyway, we've rehashed it so much your way, can we now try it the way I read it? I kept wondering why everyone was "off-subject".

Re Beth's fatal accident, are you sure it was rain? I seem to remember reading that it was ice and snow and that a bakery truck skidded into them.

And you mean "as far as we know" there's no connection between Beth's death and JonBenet's. But there's always a lot we don't know, and so, just sort of kicking it up a notch, it's always possible. Anything's possible. I think skidding on ice sounds more accidental than rain, but then that's just me. Probably there's no connection, but possibly there is more to it than meets the eye.

Before John Mark Karr, we'd have said bluntly there's no pedophile claiming to have killed JBR, because we just didn't know yet about him. A lesson we could learn from that it that there could still be more unexpected twists and turns and revelations in our future, any minute or year or decade.

What I want to know is why all this happened to the Ramseys, the way I originally read the thread title. Can anyone think of any more possible reasons?

 

[Show Me]

Eagle

I'd be almost impossible, I think, for a bakery truck to lose control and crash into the car on purpose.


What I want to know is why all this happened to the Ramseys, the way I originally read the thread title. Can anyone think of any more possible reasons?

A pageant mom was peod her daughter lost to JonBenet so she snuck a microphone into John's office at Access, and heard about the 118,000 bonus.

With this knowledge, the pageant mom, who happened to belong to a foreign faction decided to kidnap JB and make some fast money.

Foreign faction mom then bribed the carpenters to learn the outlay of the huge house, all the carpenters then developed amnesia and can't remember the suspicious mom questioning them...and thus were not interviewed by the BPD.

Foreign faction mom snuck into the house late Christmas night to commit the evil deed....and doh! She forgot her pen, pad, paintbrush....all the tools she needed. What to do? Foreign faction mom quickly slipped thru the basement window and then began channeling her energy into locating the items for torturing and kidnapping JB. This accomplished she crept into JB's room to bind, torture and kill JonBenet.

Foreign faction mom was confident the family wouldn't wake up, after all she trailed them and knew how tired the family would be.

Once JonBenet was dead, Foreign faction mom took her to the farthest corner of the basement and left her in the wine cellar.

Foreign faction mom didn't need much time to write the 3 page note, after all she had Patsy's words and handwriting down, plus Foreign faction mom was raised in west virginia and atlanta and was familiar with Patsy's language.

Once Foreign faction mom wrote the note she left silently and disappeared in the night. Safe in her bed that early morning she had a funny feeling she'd forgotten something........

Doh! The body!

Foreign faction mom was upset for now she couldn't call John to get the ransom money.

 

[icedtea4me]

Eagle

I'd be almost impossible, I think, for a bakery truck to lose control and crash into the car on purpose.


What I want to know is why all this happened to the Ramseys, the way I originally read the thread title. Can anyone think of any more possible reasons?

A pageant mom was peod her daughter lost to JonBenet so she snuck a microphone into John's office at Access, and heard about the 118,000 bonus.

With this knowledge, the pageant mom, who happened to belong to a foreign faction decided to kidnap JB and make some fast money.

Foreign faction mom then bribed the carpenters to learn the outlay of the huge house, all the carpenters then developed amnesia and can't remember the suspicious mom questioning them...and thus were not interviewed by the BPD.

Foreign faction mom snuck into the house late Christmas night to commit the evil deed....and doh! She forgot her pen, pad, paintbrush....all the tools she needed. What to do? Foreign faction mom quickly slipped thru the basement window and then began channeling her energy into locating the items for torturing and kidnapping JB. This accomplished she crept into JB's room to bind, torture and kill JonBenet.

Foreign faction mom was confident the family wouldn't wake up, after all she trailed them and knew how tired the family would be.

Once JonBenet was dead, Foreign faction mom took her to the farthest corner of the basement and left her in the wine cellar.

Foreign faction mom didn't need much time to write the 3 page note, after all she had Patsy's words and handwriting down, plus Foreign faction mom was raised in west virginia and atlanta and was familiar with Patsy's language.

Once Foreign faction mom wrote the note she left silently and disappeared in the night. Safe in her bed that early morning she had a funny feeling she'd forgotten something........

Doh! The body!

Foreign faction mom was upset for now she couldn't call John to get the ransom money.

I like it!


-Tea