Why the Ramsays?

[icedtea4me]

And you mean "as far as we know" there's no connection between Beth's death and JonBenet's.

I meant exactly what I said.

But there's always a lot we don't know, and so, just sort of kicking it up a notch, it's always possible. Anything's possible. I think skidding on ice sounds more accidental than rain, but then that's just me. Probably there's no connection, but possibly there is more to it than meets the eye.

And you've never heard of accidents occurring on rain slick roads?


-Tea

 

[Show Me]

I like it!


-Tea

Thank you

I don't think there is any connection with Beth's death and JonBenet's either...

 

[JMO8778]

Oh, I get it, SD, you're all reading the question "Why we think it's the Ramseys" and I was reading it, why would fate or people choose the Ramseys for this to happen to!

Am I the only one?

Anyway, we've rehashed it so much your way, can we now try it the way I read it? I kept wondering why everyone was "off-subject".

Re Beth's fatal accident, are you sure it was rain? I seem to remember reading that it was ice and snow and that a bakery truck skidded into them.

And you mean "as far as we know" there's no connection between Beth's death and JonBenet's. But there's always a lot we don't know, and so, just sort of kicking it up a notch, it's always possible. Anything's possible. I think skidding on ice sounds more accidental than rain, but then that's just me. Probably there's no connection, but possibly there is more to it than meets the eye.

Before John Mark Karr, we'd have said bluntly there's no pedophile claiming to have killed JBR, because we just didn't know yet about him. A lesson we could learn from that it that there could still be more unexpected twists and turns and revelations in our future, any minute or year or decade.

What I want to know is why all this happened to the Ramseys, the way I originally read the thread title. Can anyone think of any more possible reasons?

Because the Ramsey's made it happen to themselves.Since we don't know who did what...one or the other parent had a choice to make at the time..either do the right thing,or do the wrong thing...and they chose the wrong thing.If there's any case that's ever showed how crime doesn't pay,and it always pays to do the right thing...this one is IT.
But not only did they have a choice to make at the time..they continued to have choices afterwards,and to this day,to have a choice to do the right thing, or continue to lie.They've made it clear where they stand..it's no one's fault but their own.

 

[JMO8778]

Re Beth's fatal accident, are you sure it was rain? I seem to remember reading that it was ice and snow and that a bakery truck skidded into them.

And you mean "as far as we know" there's no connection between Beth's death and JonBenet's. But there's always a lot we don't know, and so, just sort of kicking it up a notch, it's always possible. Anything's possible. I think skidding on ice sounds more accidental than rain, but then that's just me. Probably there's no connection, but possibly there is more to it than meets the eye.

Rain,ice or snow,it was one of those.I don't have a book at hand at the moment.Thing is, it would seem difficult, if not impossible, to get the timing and road conditions down to a T , to where it would appear they accidently got hit as they were coming onto a hwy.If someone wanted to cause an accident on purpose,I would think it better to be either directly in front or behind them.

 

[Eagle1]

Thanks, everyone. Good ones.

I THINK it was probably in Schiller's book, which I have, but no time to look up the page number right now, that it was an intersection, and ice. Not that it matters too much to us, as someone said.

I agree, of course, that such an accident would be difficult to do deliberately. Don't guess that's any farther out than Foreign Faction Mom, a sore loser from the pageants. We had a little mental exercise there to help keep us from getting senile or bored to death. Nice work. Just maybe it's possible to have hit squads in various kinds of businesses, who'd know how to skid into another vehicle. Far out, I know, but probably possible. Not saying it happened that way but TWO daughters dying is rather unusual.

Editing to add that jealousy is obviously involved, and pretty easy to spread, example the hate propagandist in Charlevoix, lurking at the gas station according to, I think, "B" who lives there, at Jameson's. There may have been also another source but I can't remember it.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

From DOI, pb, pg 72:

"Jeff (JR's brother) didn't have much information about the accident. Apparently Matt and Beth were on their way to a Chicago art museum just before lunchtime. The winter temperature was somewhere in the high thirties, and it had been raining. However, the rain seemed to stop about the time that Matt pulled up the ramp to enter one of Chicago's freeways. For some reason, his car spun out of control, sliding in front of a truck that broadsided them."

 

[Chrishope]

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What I want to know is why all this happened to the Ramseys, the way I originally read the thread title. Can anyone think of any more possible reasons?

Possible reasons? Or probable reasons? It's possible that Bin Laden trained JMK at a secret training camp ... blah blah blah, but it's not probable. In fact, it's possible only in the most purely theoretical sense.

If you're going for the small foreign faction angle, wondering why they selected the Ramseys the answer is simple - they didn't. The small foreign faction business is complete nonsense.

The only people who selected the Ramseys were JR an PR. Fate had nothing to do with any of it. It was a series of concious decissions made by PR and/or JR

 

[JMO8778]

.........and two,that he saw a strange vehicle in the alley behind the Barnhill's (but didn't report it at that time).He was trying to make FW look suspect,and if that didn't work,he had a backup plan by saying he saw a strange car in the alley that morning.QUOTE]

It's indeed strange, many things, especially the strange car, and not pointing it out to police. Was it really there? Because wouldn't he have made a big thing of it to get himself off the hook if he could have showed it to them?

Editing to add, See how unbiased I really am?

IMO I think the strange car didn't exist,and yes,you are very unbiased

 

[Show Me]

Well Eagle I did the best I could....just can't quite work a credible intruder into the theory.

Nuisanceposter From DOI, pb, pg 72:

"Jeff (JR's brother) didn't have much information about the accident. Apparently Matt and Beth were on their way to a Chicago art museum just before lunchtime. The winter temperature was somewhere in the high thirties, and it had been raining. However, the rain seemed to stop about the time that Matt pulled up the ramp to enter one of Chicago's freeways. For some reason, his car spun out of control, sliding in front of a truck that broadsided them."

Looks like Beth's death was an accident, unless Matt was willing to risk his life to kill Beth.

 

[JMO8778]

With difference in how JR behaved between Beth's and JB's death,it sounds as if he was truly devastrated by Beth's,and with JB's,it sounds more like he was thinking less about grief and more about worrying and planning how to stay out of jail.He took a more businesslike approach to JB's.So it doesn't sound like Beth's was planned,at least not by JR.

 

[tezi]

John told us in DOI how he spied the strange van in the alley watched it a few minutes and came to the conclusion it couldn't possibly contain 'monitoring foreign kidnappers'....John doesn't tell us how he came to the conclusion.

Guess the van had a sign on it which read...'No Monitoring Foreign Faction Kidnappers On Board'.

Show Me, I choked on my clam chowder when I read your sign! BWHAA!:dance:

 

[Show Me]

Show Me, I choked on my clam chowder when I read your sign! BWHAA!:dance:

Ooooo clam chowder! Yum!

I can't imagine Mr. Show Me or I ignoring a strange vehicle when our child had been taken by a MONITORING foreign faction who threatened to BEHEAD our beloved child.

As the mind of Mendoza goes...Dee dee dee....looking for clues...dah....looking for clues....cordon off the airports but ignore the strange vans in eyesight.

 

[Show Me]

With difference in how JR behaved between Beth's and JB's death,it sounds as if he was truly devastrated by Beth's,and with JB's,it sounds more like he was thinking less about grief and more about worrying and planning how to stay out of jail.He took a more businesslike approach to JB's.So it doesn't sound like Beth's was planned,at least not by JR.

John and Patsy seemed far more concerned with their public images than with JonBenet. It was alwaysssss John and Patsy's pain...can't do police interviews, lie detector tests...'it's an insult' or 'we are too upset to cooperate with authorities trying to find the killer of their daughter.'

 

[JMO8778]

John and Patsy seemed far more concerned with their public images than with JonBenet. It was alwaysssss John and Patsy's pain...can't do police interviews, lie detector tests...'it's an insult' or 'we are too upset to cooperate with authorities trying to find the killer of their daughter.'

For sure,they can go on tv and to church a few days later...but not talk to police.They give PP a detailed list of what to retrieve from the house...but say they can't think straight enough to do anything more..uhhh huh.
That horrid DOI book...it's sickening to even try to read the darn thing..it's an insult to every american's intelligence.They might as well have just wrote beneath every line: it's all about us !
DOI: xxxxxx xxxx
(it's all about us !)
DOI: xx xxxx xxxx
(but..it's all about us !
..and so on and so forth.
If it weren't so tragic,the book would be worth a good laugh.The R's surely showed themselves,and not in a good way,in it.

 

[Eagle1]

It's all true, what we're all saying, except when someone's joking, and I can't figure how Beth's boyfriend's accident could have been anything deliberate either, unless the bakery truck was following too close or something, and maybe the young people swerved slightly for some reason not known to the DOI writer. I was so sure one of the other books said snow and ice, not rain. Not that it makes much difference to us. We'd never find out any other details.

If something ever happened to JR's remaining daughter, I'm sure we'd start wondering if it was something from way back before he ever met PR. I do think it'd have to be something much bigger than a pageant mom, and I'm sure that poster was just kidding around and being funny. We may as well.

I read somewhere that jealousy is easier to spread than good will. And we do have mentions of hate propagandists in this case. Which can't be ignored and do show the R's aren't the only ones involved.

 

[BBB167893]

Oh, I get it, SD, you're all reading the question "Why we think it's the Ramseys" and I was reading it, why would fate or people choose the Ramseys for this to happen to!

Wish you'd said that in the first place!

 

[Show Me]

For sure,they can go on tv and to church a few days later...but not talk to police.They give PP a detailed list of what to retrieve from the house...but say they can't think straight enough to do anything more..uhhh huh.
That horrid DOI book...it's sickening to even try to read the darn thing..it's an insult to every american's intelligence.They might as well have just wrote beneath every line: it's all about us !
DOI: xxxxxx xxxx
(it's all about us !)
DOI: xx xxxx xxxx
(but..it's all about us !
..and so on and so forth.
If it weren't so tragic,the book would be worth a good laugh.The R's surely showed themselves,and not in a good way,in it.

Reading DOI made up my mind for me.....John and Patsy Ramsey have guilty knowledge in the death of their daughter.

I quite frankly think Patsy Ramsey was involved in the murder and cover up and that Patsy wrote the ransom note.

John had to have some knowledge....after all he let Patsy call umpteen million friends over with the threat of death to her daughter...and John ignored the 'strange van' and 'open' window....didn't even bother to tell police of these important CLUES!

 

[Eagle1]

Wish you'd said that in the first place!

Yes, and I could have wished you'd all pointed out we were reading the question from different perspectives, too. We finally realized it.