Why Would Terri Implore DeDe To Help Her?

[Calliope]

After watching all this play out for the last two months, I'd retain an attorney in a heartbeat. I'd answer LE's questions, but my attorney would be there at my side.

 

[adh74]

Here's sort of an "out there" thought...

What if we're looking at this backwards? What if DeDe is the one who is really behind this, and TH just got caught up in DeDe's manipulation and deceipt? Here are some things that make me think this is a (albeit very small) possibility:

• DeDe moved right in with TH when KH moved out (to make sure TH didn't squeel)
• DeDe told TH to "keep quiet, just a little longer"
• The smug "cat ate the mouse" look on DeDe's face as she left the courthouse
• DeDe (allegedly) asked for immunity, which LE seems at least hesitant to grant (because perhaps they also suspect she played more than a minor role in all of this)
• DeDe's dad is in LE. She may think she's invincible, or that people would never suspect her because of who her daddy is.
• DeDe had recently lost her job and may have been financially strapped. This could be a crime for financial gain, or perhaps an act of psychosis due to depression or jealousy (perhaps of TH?).

 

[carla61154]

I had a friend a few years ago that I was just so thrlled about. The two of us just clicked. She trained and owned several horses. Her husband had a killer job working for a major hotel chain and was gone so much I never met him. They had 1 child and had carte blanche to go for free to any of that hotels resorts whenever they wanted. My husband met her and told me later I should steer clear of her. I was like, why? I like her. We have fun together. Anyway she ended up stealing from us, not important what but she did, and he told her to leave and never come back. I cried for a couple of days, I really felt like I had lost something important in my life even with the knowledge that she stole from us.
Some female relationships are a little off, some are really big-time off. Theirs could have been one of the big-time off types. JMO.

abbie

Your story gave me shivers...I have only had an experience like this once in my life and that was the most horrible experience...didn't know if I would ever want a "best friend" again. The woman I speak of tried to RUIN my life from every vantage point...I lived with her for a short time after a divorce and she became very jealous of my time and wanted me to spend it all with her...once I met a wonderful man and started being interested in dating again, she went besirk... she started contacting family members and told lie after lie to try and make my family think I was in an unsavory relationship, stole thousands of dollars of antiques from my storage...*she had been with me when I set up the codes* she was having an affair with a married man who had inflluence where I worked...within 3 months I lost a wonderful job...changed the locks on the house we shared and once I was able to get my things out...thousands of dollars of silver, china, crystal, clothes, bedding, my sons clothes, were missing...even a Sub-Zero fridge...I have just skimmed the surface, but I am sure you get the picture...Thankfully, the man she felt "I left the friendship for" turned out to be a wonderful, supportive, loving man and we have now been married 3 years...but that year of hell will never be forgotten...
If these women had a symbotic, co-dependent relationship , TH could have gotten DS to buy in to do whatever it took to prove her loyalty...MOO :twocents:

 

[Sherazhad]

I agree with those that think Dede is just supporting who she thinks is an innocent friend. This friendship could be frustrating to LE because maybe she encouraged Terri to get a lawyer & know her rights. LE want Terri to crack, this is more likely to happen if she's isolated. LE want Terri to change her story, so their idea of her being unco-operative is she isn't admitting that she abducted Kyron, rather than she is not answering questions. I feel LE have decided to take an aggressive approach & take away Terri's support system (her friends) who they believe are enabling her, & she is less likely to crack with their support. I think Dede is a red herring, LE want her out of the picture so that they can focus in on Terri.

 

[SleuthyMama]

I don't think it takes imploring to get someone to be your accomplice in 'disappearing' a child. I have in mind Venus Stewart's case, where her husband asked a young guy to help him in her abduction and murder by acting as an impersonator for her husband so he would have an alibi. The testimony of the impersonator was chilling. He was very matter of fact and entirely devoid of emotion when relating the details of the abduction and murder, with Venus' husband calling him on the phone, giving him a blow by blow.

When describing how her husband asked him to participate, well, he had also described them going to Wendy's for burgers, and to Busch Gardens, and there just was no difference in his tone or more importantly, his language. It just was no big deal. It's hard, listening to it, to wrap one's head around the fact that it is murder being discussed and described.

I think to get someone to be your accomplice, it simply takes a recognition that something is amiss in the personality of the potential accomplice. Something 'twisted' maybe, or simply not there - a lack of caring for others. I don't know.

The relationship between Venus' husband and this young man seemed to be a strange one. There seemed to be some unusual emotional need, each for the other, and I am not implying any sort of sexual undertones to it. It was, to all reports, just a friendship. But there seemed to be an unusual dependency or need. I can't quite put my finger on it.

This unusual dependency or need, I think is may be the key thing that would have existed between Terri and an accomplice, if she was involved in Kyron's disappearance, and did have an accomplice.

Beaner-I think you hit the nail on the head here. I think Terri is a good "people-reader." I think she is quite good at recognizing that "something twisted" in others, depending on what it is she wants them to do. Let's look at it this way: she found a landscaper that she discussed a murder for hire plot with who DIDN'T immediately run to police the minute he left her driveway, she was sexting and carrying on some sort of adulterous relationship with Cook in the midst of her stepson going missing and she has a friend who appears to be involved in the disappearance of her stepson. Put those all together and it seems to me like Terri is quite adept at spotting people who will do her bidding, or at least keep her secrets.

 

[balaney]

What if DeDe was an unknowing accomplice? Perhaps she was set up. If DeDe had been working in the same area for a couple of days, TH would have known she could ask a favor of her when passing by. Perhaps she loaded the kids into the truck and stopped to ask DeDe to watch BabyK while she was in the school - only for fifteen minutes or so. So, DeDe said okay and got in the truck. They get to school and TH and K go inside. TH tells K to check out the last exhibit of electricity and leave thru the side door and go directly to the truck. He does as told and DeDe and Baby K are there as is TH. TH suggests a stop at Starbucks for everyone and has either already given K something to drink with a drug in it or gives him one while she is out of the truck. When K has a seizure (she would have been experimenting on him in recent weeks and would know how much to give him) he dies. She pretends to panic and insists DeDe help her. DeDe is frightened and complies.DeDe can not say anything because she is implicated. TH will blame it on DeDe either way - she was not even in the truck when K died or started to. Both work together to dispose of the body. My Opinion

 

[daisy7]

Here's sort of an "out there" thought...

What if we're looking at this backwards? What if DeDe is the one who is really behind this, and TH just got caught up in DeDe's manipulation and deceipt? Here are some things that make me think this is a (albeit very small) possibility:

• DeDe moved right in with TH when KH moved out (to make sure TH didn't squeel)
  [*]DeDe told TH to "keep quiet, just a little longer"
• The smug "cat ate the mouse" look on DeDe's face as she left the courthouse
• DeDe (allegedly) asked for immunity, which LE seems at least hesitant to grant (because perhaps they also suspect she played more than a minor role in all of this)
• DeDe's dad is in LE. She may think she's invincible, or that people would never suspect her because of who her daddy is.
• DeDe had recently lost her job and may have been financially strapped. This could be a crime for financial gain, or perhaps an act of psychosis due to depression or jealousy (perhaps of TH?).

Do you have a link for this?

 

[Jasmine_xoxo]

IMO toxic relationships between women are far more prevalent than you might think.
I have also been the victim of my so called friend manipulating me out of my husband, house, business etc. It was a dark time for me and it took me 13 years of knowing her to finally put my finger on what was 'twisted' about her.

There was a time that she asked me to go for a hike in the woods behind her house just to see if we could find and shoot a deer (we had tags) to surprise our hubbies. But there was something in the way she said it that scared me (this was before I knew all the crazy things she was feeding my husband behind my back)...and I chose not to go. Ever since I've always wondered if I would have had *an accident*...

The comment another poster made above about Dede maybe wanting to be Terri makes sense because my XFF wanted my life down to buying the same kind of car I had...

 

[adh74]

Here's sort of an "out there" thought...

What if we're looking at this backwards? What if DeDe is the one who is really behind this, and TH just got caught up in DeDe's manipulation and deceipt? Here are some things that make me think this is a (albeit very small) possibility:

• DeDe moved right in with TH when KH moved out (to make sure TH didn't squeel)
• DeDe told TH to "keep quiet, just a little longer"
• The smug "cat ate the mouse" look on DeDe's face as she left the courthouse
• DeDe (allegedly) asked for immunity, which LE seems at least hesitant to grant (because perhaps they also suspect she played more than a minor role in all of this)
• DeDe's dad is in LE. She may think she's invincible, or that people would never suspect her because of who her daddy is.
• DeDe had recently lost her job and may have been financially strapped. This could be a crime for financial gain, or perhaps an act of psychosis due to depression or jealousy (perhaps of TH?).

"Stavley said that Spicher even moved into the Horman home for a time after Kyron went missing."

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/DeDe-...y-99252004-kyron-horman-missing-portland.html

You can also see the smug look on DeDe's face in that link as well.

“DeDe Spicher will not testify before the grand jury now without a grant of immunity from the lead prosecutor,” McCain said.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/100490074.html

Photos of DeDe showing some weight gain (over how much time, I don't know): http://www.kgw.com/home/Police-flie...r-asks-questions-100372044.html?commentPage=0

Link to the audio interview where Kaine says TH had a history of taking performance enhancing substances (I forget how he worded it, but it was about her preperations for bodybuilding contests): http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/terri_hormans_emails_to_kyron.html

 

[daisy7]

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/DeDe-...y-99252004-kyron-horman-missing-portland.html

You can also see the smug look on DeDe's face in that link as well.


http://www.katu.com/news/local/100490074.html

Photos of DeDe showing some weight gain (over how much time, I don't know): http://www.kgw.com/home/Police-flie...r-asks-questions-100372044.html?commentPage=0

Link to the audio interview where Kaine says TH had a history of taking performance enhancing substances (I forget how he worded it, but it was about her preperations for bodybuilding contests): http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/terri_hormans_emails_to_kyron.html

Thank you for posting this. But, I was asking for a link to the part I bolded, about DeDe told TH to "keep quiet, just a little longer". Is this just speculation or is there a link for it?

 

[Geralyn]

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Originally Posted by daisy7 View Post
Thank you for posting this. But, I was asking for a link to the part I bolded, about DeDe told TH to "keep quiet, just a little longer". Is this just speculation or is there a link for it?

I believe it was on DD's blog...the poem thing, I think is what they are referring to. Maybe....
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Maybe thats referring to the following post at OL?
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insintel July 22, 2010 at 9:11PM
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Deedle - Keep your mouth shuuuuuuuuuut! Hold out just a little while longer.

 

[grandmaj]

There is no proof that those people posting are Dede or Terri..... We can't bring rumor here. Thanks.

Also the blog is gone. Most of us read it. But we can only discuss what is posted in the old thread about it. We can't discuss what we can't link to. Thanks.

 

[adh74]

Thank you for posting this. But, I was asking for a link to the part I bolded, about DeDe told TH to "keep quiet, just a little longer". Is this just speculation or is there a link for it?

http://www.katu.com/news/local/99076504.html

This article talks about her telling others who may have info about the case not to cooperate. There was another article that quoted her as saying something to the effect of "hold out just a little longer"...but I can't find it at the moment. Gotta go make lunch for my little ones.

 

[tehcloser]

I deleted mine...I wasn't really discussing them, just trying to answer Daisy's question. My bad. Again...lol. I think I will quit trying to post, apparently I have forgotten how to avoid the no no's. :crazy:

 

[Annazed]

What do you mean? Do you think they both were alcoholics and went to AA meetings together? Or they had thier own little 12 step program in mind?

There are bonds that toxic people can form in a 12-step milieu that are not the supportive striving for an honest life that 12-step encourages; instead they become toxic balances of power bound by terrible secrets. The step when you tell all of your faults to a sponsor can bind some people in a not healthy way to the sponsor and if the sponsor is easily manipulated sometimes the thing gets turned backwards and the sponsee "plays" the sponsor. Terri's portrayal of herself as a put-upon or "wronged" person could play into that. The problem is that some people misinterpret the 12-step anonymity to mean keeping of secrets that should not be kept, like evidence of crime.

 

[kytty]

We are kind of going on the assumption that this is a rational person (or people) with rational thoughts and a concrete, if terrible, logic about what they do. It could be entirely possible that TH is NOT of a rational state of minds, and us as rational beings, might never be able to understand the thought process behind doing what she did (if she did it). JMO

 

[hollye]

I am new here thus this is my first post. I hope I did it correctly. I apologize in advance if I did not!


From what I understand, TH and DS were friends since highschool. IMO, DS went through all of TH's trials and tribulations in her life, 3 marriages, two kids. I believe there was more like a "sisterly" relationship between the two, with DS possibly coming to TH's "aid" each time she had some "drama" in her life, which she seemed to have a lot of. I can completely see a scenario where DS helped TH "out of her dilema" (Kyron). The fact that it took being called before the GJ for DS to divulge a portion of what she knows about TH's whereabouts the day Kyron went missing and that she didn't come forward on her own from day one, speaks volumes to me. Also, the fact that LE feels she's NOT telling all she knows is a red flag. I do believe DS would do anything for TH in the name of "friendship"... her smirk while walking out of the GJ hearing was so inappropriate, like a cat who swallowed the mouse!

Welcome, Harlequin!

I didn't realize that TMH & DS had known each other for so long. Do you have a link? I'd be interested to read their history.

 

[Aedrys]

Really? How so? Serious question.

btw, you should rent the movie. it's excellent

I have seen the movie, may times, so I know it well. Terri would Thelma most definitely, and Dede would be Louise. And Kaine would be "controlling husband" that Terri is getting away from (not that I believe that, but I can see Terri convincing Dede that Kaine is the bad, controlling husband here and she has to get away from him). I suspect this started out as some big adventure for them, and then got way out of control. Now all they can do is keep going and cover for each other because they are so entangled with what they have done that they can't go back.

It seems like they are very much like this movie, except this is real life, and is not nearly exciting or as entertaining as a Hollywood movie. Who knows, maybe this was their favorite movie - two redheaded friends become outlaws. I can see how that would be exciting to to real life redheads who are becoming more and more restless and unhappy in their lives. We know Terri was, I just don't know enough about Dede to know if that's true, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was true either.

I can even see, maybe, some sort of suicide pact instead of going to jail. I think they're waiting to see if LE charges them or not, and maybe that's why neither is talking just yet. They may still think they can beat this rap, unfortunately. In the movie, the law never caught up with these women, and they chose to drive over a cliff rather than go to jail. Anyway, I know what I'm talking about here. It's fine if others don't see it, and I respect that. But the implication that I don't know what I'm talking about is not true.

 

[dorothyz]

I have seen the movie, may times, so I know it well. Terri would Thelma most definitely, and Dede would be Louise. And Kaine would be "controlling husband" that Terri is getting away from (not that I believe that, but I can see Terri convincing Dede that Kaine is the bad, controlling husband here and she has to get away from him). I suspect this started out as some big adventure for them, and then got way out of control. Now all they can do is keep going and cover for each other because they are so entangled with what they have done that they can't go back.

It seems like they are very much like this movie, except this is real life, and is not nearly exciting or as entertaining as a Hollywood movie. Who knows, maybe this was their favorite movie - two redheaded friends become outlaws. I can see how that would be exciting to to real life redheads who are becoming more and more restless and unhappy in their lives. We know Terri was, I just don't know enough about Dede to know if that's true, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was true either.

I can even see, maybe, some sort of suicide pact instead of going to jail. I think they're waiting to see if LE charges them or not, and maybe that's why neither is talking just yet. They may still think they can beat this rap, unfortunately. In the movie, the law never caught up with these women, and they chose to drive over a cliff rather than go to jail. Anyway, I know what I'm talking about here. It's fine if others don't see it, and I respect that. But the implication that I don't know what I'm talking about is not true.

You know, I can really see the similarities too. Especially since I think Terri is prone to drama (based on her body language at the press conference). Very interesting theory.

 

[AbbieNormal]

This is what confuses me:

IF DeDe helped Terri in any way, then they had to be pretty good friends. If they weren't close, then how could Terri contact DeDe asking for help with DeDe actually helping? If a good friend called me asking for help, I would help (depending on what it was). But if an acquaintance called asking for help, I wouldn't help.

Now, Kaine stated that he had no idea that Terri and DeDe were that close. He said she attended Terri's 40th birthday party, but other then that he was unsure of their friendship.

My husband knows all of my friends. He knows my relationships with all of them. I wouldn't be able to have a close friendship with someone and him not know about it.

Maybe Terri and DeDe were super close, best friends even, without Kaine's knowledge. But how? Was that just the dynamics of their marriage? I don't know.
It just confuses me that they were that close and Kaine had no clue.
I mean, you have to really be close with someone to have the gall to ask them for THIS kind of help.

Did I just confuse everyone else in my thinking? Maybe. It's been on of those days around here.

"Sneaking" (or not mentioning) having a very good friend like Terri did with DeDe and never mentioning it to her husband- WHY? Maybe they had a fairly non-communicative relationship and thats why. Maybe he couldn't have cared less who her friends were....