Why would the Ramseys need to stage?

[joeskidbeck]

I would dearly love to shout out to the world that he (insert real name) was a child molester- the reason I haven't is fear of recrimination from his adopted daughter and her family/cousins. I have had the pleasure not too long ago of stomping on his grave! That felt good!

I'm glad you got that satisfaction and I'm sorry that you have to think of other's feelings/actions when it comes to this pervert. They ARE perverts no matter who they are. If you can touch a child with these kinds of intent, you are a pervert.
I hope to someday be able to look the man who molested my nephew in the eye and tell him exactly what I think of him, but it will probably never happen because there's no way he will show his face in the state of Georgia.

 

[Toltec]

If this isn't ironic.....the Ramsey's own profiler just convinced me that RDI IS possible....well,he wrote this article for the fbi as a real top expert that he is,not for money,and this is the J.Douglas that everybody RESPECTS.

I recall John Douglas saying the perpetrator would "find religion", "begin drinking or smoking", and what happens when the Ramseys come into the room and meet John Douglas? Patsy is wearing a gigantic cross on her neck. She begins to smoke and says she is not going to quit until the killer is found.

 

[UKGuy]

I recall John Douglas saying the perpetrator would "find religion", "begin drinking or smoking", and what happens when the Ramseys come into the room and meet John Douglas? Patsy is wearing a gigantic cross on her neck. She begins to smoke and says she is not going to quit until the killer is found.

Toltec,
Thats so funny.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Holdontoyourhat,
This is not the case you are either ignorant or are deliberately misconstruing the facts.

JonBenet Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation Chapt. 24. states:-


And JonBenet Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation Chapt. 32. states:-


.

This book is by the cop who quit the investigation (or was asked to leave?) because his neutrality was compromised. This is Mr. RDI. Please don't bother me any more with quotes from his book.

I suggest finding a single 'previous abuse' media reference thats newer than five years. It wont be from BPD, CBI, FBI, or any reputable source and that should be a clue for you but I doubt it.

FBI Assessment. "The FBI believed that JonBenet's vaginal trauma was not consistent with a history of sexual abuse, and they had turned up no evidence of any other type of abuse. The sexual violation of JonBenet, whether pre or postmortem did not appear to have been committed for the perpetrators gratification. The penetration, which caused minor genital trauma, was more likely part of a staged crime scene intended to mislead the police." (PMPT pg 306; quote and source provided by Internet poster [ame="http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showpost.php?p=104928&postcount=91"]The Punisher[/ame])

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

I would dearly love to shout out to the world that he (insert real name) was a child molester- the reason I haven't is fear of recrimination from his adopted daughter and her family/cousins. I have had the pleasure not too long ago of stomping on his grave! That felt good!

Just so you know...

You're not eligible for the jury on JBR's case. I'm sure Judge Roy would back me up on that.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

I recall John Douglas saying the perpetrator would "find religion", "begin drinking or smoking", and what happens when the Ramseys come into the room and meet John Douglas? Patsy is wearing a gigantic cross on her neck. She begins to smoke and says she is not going to quit until the killer is found.

I thought another FBI profiler said the perp might already have a drinking problem.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Excuse me, when has any RDI implied that pedophiles "get better"????:waitasec:

According to RDI, JBR was chronically sexually abused up until her death. Thats interesting because there's no manifestation of pedophilia by anyone close to JBR at any time either before or in the many years after the murder.

Now on the other hand if someone was found out to be a child molester AND knew JBR at the time of the murder, then MAYBE you'd have an argument.

There is no pedophile argument against JR, and yet posters here go on and on as if its a done deal, making it somewhat appearing as a hate page.

 

[my_tee_mouse]

snipped from a HOTYH post:

Here you are discussing your pedophile relative openly in public. Shocking testimony to say the least.

It took the death of my mother (one of his victims), the death of my grandmother (the one who refused to believe he'd done that to his daughter), the death of my sister (another of his victims), two failed marriages where I put up with whatever the man did because that's what I had been conditioned to do....and a whole lot of self therapy before I got to the point of sharing my story. I don't tell it often, but when I think it will help someone or will help people understand the true nature of pedophiles, then I share it.

 

[my_tee_mouse]

OK so I am to believe that the pedophile who murdered JBR has quietly continued, and their victims are OK with it despite the historical murder? Or am I to believe that the pedophile who murdered JBR was cured by fright and no longer victimizes? Do you have a theory on this?

I'd say pedophilia that results in the death of your daughter and constant scrutiny might well cure someone, yes. Sadly, we have no way of knowing for sure that there were not victims before or victims after, however.

 

[DeeDee249]

my bold

There is no knowledge that JBR was abused by anyone sexually or otherwise prior to the night she was murdered. Its not treated as a case fact except right here on this forum. Its a mere claim.

I am stunned. It is not a claim, it is a FACT. The autopsy indicated blood in the vagina, bruising, a partially missing hymen and blood that had been wiped from her thighs. 6 -year old girls do not menstruate. HOW do you think the blood got there? Dead people don't bleed or bruise, so those injuries happened when she was alive, regardless of whether there was any attempt to cover it up. The coroner also noted verbally at the autopsy that she had evidence of digital penetration.
Do you just say these things just to take a contrary position? Please explain your reasons for saying there was no sexual abuse that night. What do you think caused the bleeding?

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

There is no knowledge that JBR was abused by anyone sexually or otherwise prior to the night she was murdered. Its not treated as a case fact except right here on this forum. Its a mere claim.

my bold

I am stunned. It is not a claim, it is a FACT. The autopsy indicated blood in the vagina, bruising, a partially missing hymen and blood that had been wiped from her thighs. 6 -year old girls do not menstruate. HOW do you think the blood got there? Dead people don't bleed or bruise, so those injuries happened when she was alive, regardless of whether there was any attempt to cover it up. The coroner also noted verbally at the autopsy that she had evidence of digital penetration.
Do you just say these things just to take a contrary position? Please explain your reasons for saying there was no sexual abuse that night. What do you think caused the bleeding?

Your post is a nonsensical response to my already-dumbed-down post. I don't know how to help you.

 

[UKGuy]

my bold




Your post is a nonsensical response to my already-dumbed-down post. I don't know how to help you.

Holdontoyourhat,

Patently you cannot assist DeeDee249 because you have no coherent theory, and zero forensic evidence. Just whatever you can trawl up from the tabloids by citing them erroneously on intruder dna, when it actually is touch-dna, Ramsey's being exonerated, etc etc.

I reckon Tricia pays you a weekly fee to opine openly about the IDI.

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[LinasK]

Just so you know...

You're not eligible for the jury on JBR's case. I'm sure Judge Roy would back me up on that.

Well aware of that, I wouldn't be eligible on any molestation case for that very reason- my attitude would be, "Hang 'em!". Bigger reason is that I don't live in the state of Colorado...

 

[LinasK]

According to RDI, JBR was chronically sexually abused up until her death. Thats interesting because there's no manifestation of pedophilia by anyone close to JBR at any time either before or in the many years after the murder.

Now on the other hand if someone was found out to be a child molester AND knew JBR at the time of the murder, then MAYBE you'd have an argument.

There is no pedophile argument against JR, and yet posters here go on and on as if its a done deal, making it somewhat appearing as a hate page.

And do you know for a fact that JR has had no other victims??? Money/power buys a lot of silence- I point to Michael Jackson as a prime example, and I do believe he was a child molester in every sense of the word!

 

[BBB167893]

Part of WHAT staging? There was no staging.

Excuse me?

The garrote was real and was used to strangle JBR to death. Don't take my word for it, its all in the autopsy report.

Which proves what, exactly?

The ONLY person who is going to sexually assault or abuse a 6 year old is a pedophile or someone without morals who is working for a pedophile. And I don't think pedophiles sexually assault, brutally murder, and then just 'get better' like RDI implies.

Wrong on both counts, my friend. About 150 years ago, Dr. Rudolf Kraft-Ebing determined that there are three kinds of people who prey on children sexually. Best known are pedophiles, who are attracted to children for reasons still unknown. And that that extent, you're right: they DON'T "just get better." I'm not aware of RDI ever implying any such thing.

BUT, another category is what we call situational molesters. These are not attracted to children as such. They molest a child for other reasons, usually because the child is the closest outlet they have. These molesters usually come out of nowhere and can revert back.

 

[BBB167893]

my bold

There is no knowledge that JBR was abused by anyone sexually or otherwise prior to the night she was murdered. Its not treated as a case fact except right here on this forum. Its a mere claim.

In a manner of speaking, HOTYH, you're right. While there was certainly vaginal intrusion prior to the night she was killed, there's no solid proof that it was done for anyone's gratification.

 

[BBB167893]

This book is by the cop who quit the investigation (or was asked to leave?) because his neutrality was compromised.

He quit because he couldn't stomach what the poli-chickens had done and were doing to the case.

This is Mr. RDI. Please don't bother me any more with quotes from his book.

Sorry, sport: this isn't request night. I personally plan to do a LOT of bothering in a very short time.

 

[BBB167893]

According to RDI, JBR was chronically sexually abused up until her death. Thats interesting because there's no manifestation of pedophilia by anyone close to JBR at any time either before or in the many years after the murder.

Now on the other hand if someone was found out to be a child molester AND knew JBR at the time of the murder, then MAYBE you'd have an argument.

Your argument might have some merit, HOTYH, if not for some very pertinent and heartwrenching facts, most of which I stated at the very beginning of the thread marked "Prior Vaginal Trauma." Most notably, the tendency for child molesters to go undetected, often for years. That's what LinasK is talking about for anyone who cares to listen.

There is no pedophile argument against JR, and yet posters here go on and on as if its a done deal, making it somewhat appearing as a hate page.

It helps to understand the difference between a pedophile (no argument, BTW) and a situational.

 

[UKGuy]

According to RDI, JBR was chronically sexually abused up until her death. Thats interesting because there's no manifestation of pedophilia by anyone close to JBR at any time either before or in the many years after the murder.

Now on the other hand if someone was found out to be a child molester AND knew JBR at the time of the murder, then MAYBE you'd have an argument.

There is no pedophile argument against JR, and yet posters here go on and on as if its a done deal, making it somewhat appearing as a hate page.

Holdontoyourhat,

Thats interesting because there's no manifestation of pedophilia by anyone close to JBR at any time either before or in the many years after the murder.

Do you have a source for your claim, are you a relative with first hand knowledge, a legal representative?

Its all very simple: this case is a sexually motivated homicide and there is no intruder, and JonBenet was molested prior to her death. So the conclusion is also simple, so I'll allow you to draw it.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Its all very simple: this case is a sexually motivated homicide and there is no intruder, and JonBenet was molested prior to her death. So the conclusion is also simple, so I'll allow you to draw it.

Sorry but that seems hilarious because of the three things you purport as simple fact: sexually motivated, no intruder, and molested prior to her death (presumably prior to that night, right?), none are truly known as fact or can be proven.