Why would the Ramseys need to stage?

[bettybaby00]

What is SFF?


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Small Foreign Faction

At least that's what I thought! :floorlaugh:

 

[Linda7NJ]

Small Foreign Faction.



They apparently never struck again after this perfect crime.

Baaaah haaaaaa haaaaa lmao!




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[2 percent]

I sometimes wonder what people will think if it turns out that they didn't do it.

It seems like this is said in every case...although usually coupled with one side saying the other has to apologize. My standard answer is, you put the information out there don't carp when it's used against you.
While I feel for JB and hope she soars with the angels, untethered, and at peace, I have no regret for my beliefs in this case and won't feel one way or another if I'm proven wrong.

The statements made about the parents and how they felt about their child, do not at all match the statements made by friends and family who actually knew them. So strange.

So you think friends and family knew JB was being molested? Most likely by someone in that house?
Doubt it.
If they knew, would it change their opinion?
You betcha!

I have friends and family I've known for most of my life and things have happened to make me wonder if I ever knew them. Now if you're saying someone on here says JB was beaten every day and had bruises all the time when friends and family say that's not true...that's one thing. But having someone say for a fact that John would never touch JB? No. In my experience that isn't something that comes up until the molester is caught. It's not something that anyone can really say about another person with any authority.

 

[THE BUNK]

I wonder why the SFF folded their tent after this crime

Apparently committing child murder/rape doesn't help in the fundraising.

 

[gramcracker]

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One thing that puzzles me is why the Ransom note pages were not folded. It's a logical thing for someone to do when transporting them off the pad aand taking them to a further location.

Don't pages torn of a legal pad tend to curl naturally? I'm surprised they didn't just blow away in a gust off the stairs.

It also occurs to me that Patsy Ramsey is the only person that can vouch for the state in which they were found. How do we know she didn't just rip them off the sheet after calling the police?

And why the stairs?...when Jonbenet's bed would be the likely place for the note to be found. Again I cite the pages could simply fly away in a stray gust of movement. Folding the pages together and writing Jon on the back would be much more effective.

Heck this is also another reason not to write a long ransom note. The rest of the pages could be lost. Unless of course you never intended for this ransom note to be placed anywhere.

that's a major screw-up right there, she didn't think that through/rehearse it. LE tried to re-enact stepping over the stair tread with the RN on it and couldn't do it without losing balance. IMO pragmatic JR would have vetoed that detail (just one of the things which persuades me that PDI)

 

[2 percent]

[deleted my response in the IDI thread]


that's a major screw-up right there, she didn't think that through/rehearse it. LE tried to re-enact stepping over the stair tread with the RN on it and couldn't do it without losing balance. IMO pragmatic JR would have vetoed that detail (just one of the things which persuades me that PDI)

I always wondered about the paper on the stairs. I've slipped on many things on the stairs over the years - cat, clothes, magazines and paper.
How did Patsy not go a-- over teakettle, as my dad would say.

 

[gramcracker]

exactly. she thought she was so smart to say she stepped over it because she thought it might cause her to slip. but the over-balancing, not so much smart thinking there

 

[Frigga]

I would just be glad that this poor girl got justice. That's all that matters to me. I would assume that goes the same whether you are RDI or IDI.

Regardless whether you are RDI or IDI...there's potentially a child killer out there who is still loose. That should be the focus, IMHO.

Yes, finding the killer should be the focus, as you say.

Let the chips fall where they may. I didn't kill her so my conscience is clear. I want a child murderer caught and convicted.

I would think her family would have wanted the same but apparently not, which then leads to WHY?

 

[Linda7NJ]

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that's a major screw-up right there, she didn't think that through/rehearse it. LE tried to re-enact stepping over the stair tread with the RN on it and couldn't do it without losing balance. IMO pragmatic JR would have vetoed that detail (just one of the things which persuades me that PDI)

I totally agree and wanted to add, had it been an intruder whose original motive was kidnapping for ransom and something went wrong and she ended up dead...he/she/they go to all the time & trouble & risk to hide her body and go back upstairs ....risking getting caught...to place the note on the stairs....then return to the basement & use the suitcase to escape out of a window?? Ridiculous!
A pedophile would have removed her from the house, not sexually assaulted her in it.

Defies all logic and reasoning. IMO


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[Tawny]

If the "intruder" were ever caught and it turns out the Ramsey's are oh so very innocent, I am not remotely sorry for the thoughts and ideas I've had about them. I'm basing everything off of what's available to me: evidence, interviews, statements, lies... None of that changes, they still lied a whole lot.

 

[THE BUNK]

body and go back upstairs ....risking getting caught...to place the note on the stairs....then return to the basement & use the suitcase to escape out of a window?? Ridiculous

Exactly! Why would you risk getting caught on the stairs just to leave a ransom note that has no purpose! He can leave it in the stairs. Leave it on the kitchen table. Leave it on her bed. Or even better yet. Wait a couple of days and re-write a nasty hate letter and mail it to the newspapers!

 

[DeeDee249]

I sometimes wonder what people will think if it turns out that they didn't do it. The statements made about the parents and how they felt about their child, do not at all match the statements made by friends and family who actually knew them. So strange.

Not strange at all. Actually, many of their friends are now FORMER friends, in particular the Stines, who actually followed them to Atlanta after they moved, with JR offering his friend a job. Mrs S went so far as to impersonate a police officer (why she got away with this I'll never know) in emails. They were both rabid defenders of the Rs. After the move to Atlanta the friendship went south, and I do not believe the families are friendly today.
As for the White's, well we all know what happened there.

If it turned out that I am wrong about the family's involvement and an intruder is actually found (by name and proved to have done it) I'll be happy. Happy it was solved, and happy that it was NOT a parent or loved one that was the last face JB saw before she died, knowing it was a loved one who had hurt her.
But with the GJ indictments released, I think I can safely believe that the parents are involved somehow.

 

[chlban]

It seems like this is said in every case...although usually coupled with one side saying the other has to apologize. My standard answer is, you put the information out there don't carp when it's used against you.
While I feel for JB and hope she soars with the angels, untethered, and at peace, I have no regret for my beliefs in this case and won't feel one way or another if I'm proven wrong.



So you think friends and family knew JB was being molested? Most likely by someone in that house?
Doubt it.
If they knew, would it change their opinion?
You betcha!

I have friends and family I've known for most of my life and things have happened to make me wonder if I ever knew them. Now if you're saying someone on here says JB was beaten every day and had bruises all the time when friends and family say that's not true...that's one thing. But having someone say for a fact that John would never touch JB? No. In my experience that isn't something that comes up until the molester is caught. It's not something that anyone can really say about another person with any authority.

BBM. This is so very true. One of my best friends brother in law was the perfect dad and husband. On his job he had a top level Security clearance, the same level the Secret Service obtains. He was suddenly arrested at his job one day for molesting his adopted daughter.

Turns out daughter, who was away at college, had started out telling a few friends and finally decided to go to LE. This daughter and her biological sister are actually the mans biological nieces, but he has raised them both since infancy. He and his wife also have two biological sons.

At the time of the arrest, everyone was not only blown away, no one, absolutely no one, in the family believed a word of it. They were all trying to figure out what was wrong with the girl that she would make up such a lie.

Then gradually, they heard about an "incident" where he was trying to wake his daughter up one morning and accidently brushed her breast with his hand.

Sounds ludicrous, but then it starts coming out that Mom knew about this supposed accidental touch because it came up at the time. Except really, who is going to mistake their dad accidentally touching their breast for a brief moment with being molested? So at this point, some of us start to wonder. Could there be something here?

Well, turns out dear old dad finally agreed to a plea bargain, on the advice of his attorney, and is currently in prison on a 5 year sentence. Needless to say his job, along with his security clearance, is gone.

Even now, if anyone outside of the immediate family knows exactly what happened they are not telling. They still try to play it down, like it was no big deal, yet when the Judge at sentencing started to appear to be wavering on a stiff sentence, the DA went ballistic on him about how this warrants serious punishment. His attorney says he should not expect to serve less than 2 1/2 years of his sentence.

The other daughter swears he has never laid a hand on her.

So I know first hand this is not something anyone really knows about. It also doe not have to be a pattern and the most mild mannered, otherwise law abiding and upstanding citizens can be guilty of things you would never imagine.

 

[THE BUNK]

Not strange at all. Actually, many of their friends are now FORMER friends, in particular the Stines, who actually followed them to Atlanta after they moved,

Another thing I have found weird is that it seems none of their friends or neighbors seemed worried that there might be some psycho child rapist out there killing kids.

Were there any friends or neighbors that were interviewed that expressed fear over their family's safety in the area?

 

[2 percent]

BBM. This is so very true. One of my best friends brother in law was the perfect dad and husband. On his job he had a top level Security clearance, the same level the Secret Service obtains. He was suddenly arrested at his job one day for molesting his adopted daughter.

Turns out daughter, who was away at college, had started out telling a few friends and finally decided to go to LE. This daughter and her biological sister are actually the mans biological nieces, but he has raised them both since infancy. He and his wife also have two biological sons.

At the time of the arrest, everyone was not only blown away, no one, absolutely no one, in the family believed a word of it. They were all trying to figure out what was wrong with the girl that she would make up such a lie.

Then gradually, they heard about an "incident" where he was trying to wake his daughter up one morning and accidently brushed her breast with his hand.

Sounds ludicrous, but then it starts coming out that Mom knew about this supposed accidental touch because it came up at the time. Except really, who is going to mistake their dad accidentally touching their breast for a brief moment with being molested? So at this point, some of us start to wonder. Could there be something here?

Well, turns out dear old dad finally agreed to a plea bargain, on the advice of his attorney, and is currently in prison on a 5 year sentence. Needless to say his job, along with his security clearance, is gone.

Even now, if anyone outside of the immediate family knows exactly what happened they are not telling. They still try to play it down, like it was no big deal, yet when the Judge at sentencing started to appear to be wavering on a stiff sentence, the DA went ballistic on him about how this warrants serious punishment. His attorney says he should not expect to serve less than 2 1/2 years of his sentence.

The other daughter swears he has never laid a hand on her.

So I know first hand this is not something anyone really knows about. It also doe not have to be a pattern and the most mild mannered, otherwise law abiding and upstanding citizens can be guilty of things you would never imagine.

I know exactly what you're talking about!!
There were some things that came out in my family about 5 years ago that blew everyone away. We're talking 40 years of secrets held by people who didn't talk about it and it ended up hurting so many more.

Everyone....do not ever think you know someone or what they're capable of. The last 5 years has been a big eye opener for me and I'm actually a cynic.

 

[Chewy]

[modsnip] I don't know how these tabloid writers can do what they do. And funny that they accuse John and Patsy of being cold hearted selfish sociopaths when their own words reveal these writers to be the very same thing.

 

[2 percent]

So basically I'm reading that no one cares at all about participating in slander because it doesn't affect your lives so who cares.

Actually, it's libel.

I don't think I could be that blase, it's one thing to ponder ideas, theories and evidence, quite another to constantly maliciously make things up about people.

It is not your job on this site to decide what is libel, what is malicious. You may have an opinion about it, but making a blanket statement saying the discussion on this site is malicious is a pretty serious accusation to the good posters here and I ask you to please take a step back.

 

[Chewy]

I was talking about the tabloid journalists. I thought I made that clear. ???

I don't know how these tabloid writers can do what they do. And funny that they accuse John and Patsy of being cold hearted selfish sociopaths when their own words reveal these writers to be the very same thing.

 

[2 percent]

I was talking about the tabloid journalists. I thought I made that clear. ???

No, it wasn't clear to me.
But if I got the wrong end of the stick on this, I sincerely apologize.

 

[Chewy]

That's why I said there's a difference between discussing "theories and evidence and ideas" that's what we do here for the most part.

But the tabloids just blasted out accusations. I was thinking about when Burke was in the grocery store with Patsy and saw the magazine that accused him of killing his sister by the register.