Why would the Ramseys need to stage?

Why would theRamseys need to stage?


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There is no question that the tape on the blanket is the black duct tape that covered JBR’s mouth.

The duct tape depicted on this picture, you can see it actually on the blanket that was on the floor of the wine cellar. This is a photograph taken by the Boulder Police Department at the crime scene of the blanket, the white blanket lying on the floor of the wine cellar.
Adhering to this blanket is a piece of duct tape. John Ramsey stated that, when he went down to the basement and found his daughter, that she had duct tape on her mouth. He said he took it, and he took it off of her mouth. He also said that he took the ligature that was on her wrist and removed it, and then he took her upstairs.
-Lou Smit deposition

If it is black tape, why does it look grey? You said it 'was adhering' to the blanket, meaning it was sticky side down. You have said black tape is grey on the sticky side. If it was black and was adhering to the blanket, then it would be black not grey in the photo.

Hmm, then what happened to the tape that was on her legs? The blanket was wrapped around her 'papoose' style. JR said there was tape on her legs.
 
A "gaffer" is an electrician. "Gaffers's tape is electrical tape. JR said himself it wasn't electrical tape, which is thinner. When JR says it was "white,black" I am sure he meant the 2-tone tape, black on one side, light gray on the other. And that is what was found on the blanket.
 
Its funny, you've got people here on this forum running and getting their duct tape and uploading photos of it.

Let me ask the tape photo uploaders: Did you have any trouble finding that roll? Was it somehow easier for you to find your roll of tape than, say, the R's? Why is that? Oh, I remember now: The Evidence Robber.

Had you never used any of your tape for anything or are these new rolls? Could we find any use of this tape inside your home? Why could we not find a use for this tape in the R's home? Oh thats right: The Evidence Robber.
 
A "gaffer" is an electrician. "Gaffers's tape is electrical tape. JR said himself it wasn't electrical tape, which is thinner. When JR says it was "white,black" I am sure he meant the 2-tone tape, black on one side, light gray on the other. And that is what was found on the blanket.


I don't normally have the testicular fortitude to post in this forum but...
Gaff tape is used in theaters, too. It comes in white and black. I have both in my clutter drawer right now.
 
I can take pictures of it, iffin' ya want.
*insert crazy face emoticon*
 
A "gaffer" is an electrician. "Gaffers's tape is electrical tape. JR said himself it wasn't electrical tape, which is thinner. When JR says it was "white,black" I am sure he meant the 2-tone tape, black on one side, light gray on the other. And that is what was found on the blanket.

24 LOU SMIT: Talk about the tape?

25 JOHN RAMSEY: There was a piece of fairly

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1 wide black tape, which I immediately took off. Her

2 lips were blue.

3 LOU SMIT: Where were you standing when

4 you

5 did that, John?

6 JOHN RAMSEY: I was, she was like right

7 there and I was right here.

8 LOU SMIT: So you hadn't gone into the wine

9 cellar, you were still on the north side of her at

10 that point?

11 JOHN RAMSEY: Right. Um hmm.

12 LOU SMIT: And the duct tape, do you remember

13 if it was adhered all the way to her mouth?

14 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah. It wasn't really duct

15 tape, it was -- well I'm sure you've seen it. But

16 it was like black. It wasn't electrical tape. It

17 was kind of white, black, unusual tape, I thought.

18 LOU SMIT: What did you do with the tape?

19 JOHN RAMSEY: I think I took it off with my

20 right hand and just dropped it. I didn't do

21 anything specific with it.


He already said it was wide black tape not duct tape and not electrical tape. I believe he said wide black tape the second time as well, but it was INCORRECTLY transcribed as WHITE, BLACK. That doesn't make sense, no matter how you RDI's try to tell me it was black on one side and white on the other.

JR said he didn't own any of this black tape, but he had some similar that was white that he used on his boat. OK??

JR also said there was some BLACK TAPE on her legs as well when he found her.

Now, what I want to know is where is this black tape now?

For the information of those who just know everything about tape, here is what Wiki says and it has pictures too (just to make HOTYH happy!)
[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaffer_tape[/ame]

"Gaffer tape, gaffer's tape, gaff tape[1] or gaffa tape[2] is a strong, tough, cotton cloth pressure sensitive tape that adheres strongly but can be removed cleanly. It is used on theater, film and television productions as well as live performances and any other kind of stage work.[3] The tape is often referred to as a production expendable because it is discarded after the production process is complete.

The most common use for gaffer tape is securing cables to the stage floor or other surface, either for safety or to keep them out of view of the audience or camera. "


It aint electrical tape DD.
 
Its funny, you've got people here on this forum running and getting their duct tape and uploading photos of it.

Let me ask the tape photo uploaders: Did you have any trouble finding that roll? Was it somehow easier for you to find your roll of tape than, say, the R's? Why is that? Oh, I remember now: The Evidence Robber.

Had you never used any of your tape for anything or are these new rolls? Could we find any use of this tape inside your home? Why could we not find a use for this tape in the R's home? Oh thats right: The Evidence Robber.

The RDI Munchkins have landed and are detonating every individualized explosive device left on the battlefield by their defeated comrades who just surrendered, unconditionally. To date, they have inflicted damage upon their own troops exclusively. Considered a desperate, rag-tag bunch, they have snipers strategically positioned-- directly across from one another-- It is expected they will finish each other off any minute.
 
Just a minute. Before embarking on another endless road of babble and bunk,

Too late now...

let's make sure we do share that basic understanding you desire.

I'm not holding out much hope for that.

Describe once more your belief in the Marilyn Monroe reincarnation theory and the DISSD hypothesis. (Dual, Instantaneous, Simultaneous, Symbiotic Dissociation, in case you've forgotten.)

How can I describe them when I don't even believe them? You're putting words in my mouth again. No WONDER we don't understand each other!

I don't know where you got this idea that JB was somehow Marilyn reincarnated. I used that comparison to show how a tragic death can turn a star into a legend.

And as for Dual, Instantaneous, Simultaneous, Symbiotic Dissociation, you're WAY off. Dual? Maybe, and possibly for different reasons. Instantaneous? Highly Unlikely. Simultaneous and Symbiotic? I doubt it.

It would be more apt to say--just spitballing, mind you--that it would be only wise to try and both forget about it.
 
Well, there you go. Proof.

Actually, I was speaking philosophically. People would rather believe a complicated intruder story than a killer parent. That's what I meant when I said that the Intruder Theory absolves us from having to think.
 
Had you never used any of your tape for anything or are these new rolls? Could we find any use of this tape inside your home? Why could we not find a use for this tape in the R's home? Oh thats right: The Evidence Robber.

If there WAS a roll, HOTYH. Henry Lee hinted that the tape was a used piece from something else.

Let's examine that for a moment. Assuming Lee is correct, it doesn't make much sense that an intruder will be running around with a used piece of tape in his pocket, does it?

Of course, the RST will simply say that he/they was/were smart enough to find something in the house to take it off of.
 
Actually, I was speaking philosophically. People would rather believe a complicated intruder story than a killer parent. That's what I meant when I said that the Intruder Theory absolves us from having to think.

Oh, it do, huh? We don't have to think if we accept IDI? Your theory requires effort, brain exercise? I personally have thought about it, rejected it, argued why it had no merit, and you still parrot that we don't like your theory because we don't like to think.

Think. Your theory is not only ridiculous, preposterous, without merit, and stupid, it is based firmly on absolutely no, zero, none, nada, zilch evidence at all, whatsoever, in that vein. If you object, show your hand. If it is the last one you played, you're finished.
 
If there WAS a roll, HOTYH. Henry Lee hinted that the tape was a used piece from something else.

Let's examine that for a moment. Assuming Lee is correct, it doesn't make much sense that an intruder will be running around with a used piece of tape in his pocket, does it?

Of course, the RST will simply say that he/they was/were smart enough to find something in the house to take it off of.

Neither the tape nor the cord were sourced to the house. While some posters here are able to easily find both their black and grey tape, LE was unable to do that at the R's with or without JR's help.

Within RDI, what happened to the cord and tape rolls? Why were other uses never found for either the cord or the tape? Why would JR/PR be unable to identify either the tape or cord, or other uses for it?
 
I don't know where you got this idea that JB was somehow Marilyn reincarnated. I used that comparison to show how a tragic death can turn a star into a legend.

"I don't know where you got this idea that JB was somehow Marilyn reincarnated."

You don't? Try this. See what you say next?

"I used that comparison to show how a tragic death can turn a star into a legend."

Does that help you understand where I got your idea? And, don't be coy, either. You brought up MM because you believe Patsy likely thought of staging the strangulation with her cult like status in mind for Joni.
 
Oh, it do, huh? We don't have to think if we accept IDI? Your theory requires effort, brain exercise?

I'll be generous, Fang, and say that perhaps I overgeneralized. When I say that the intruder theory absolves us from thinking, I meant that it makes the issue very simple, where good is good, and evil is evil. In the intruder theory, it doesn't matter WHY the creep killed JB. He was just a "bad" guy, the human equivalent of a mad dog. He's not "like us." There's something "wrong" with him, in a way in which we are completely "normal." And LIKE a mad dog, he can't be reasoned with. He has to be put down before he hurts anybody else. It allows us to place the "intruder" in the same category as all of society's bogeymen. It's clean, neat, and it doesn't rock the comfort zone.

But that's what RDI does: it rocks the comfort zone to its foundation. And in that sense, my theory DOES require effort. It FORCES us to face our own demons, and to admit just how easily those demons break free. It shows just how easy it would be for any one of us to become killers. That's a path most people are too scared to follow. I think Gregg McCrary said it best, and he'd know: we want to think of child killers as less than human, ugly, easily identifiable monsters like Shakespeare's Richard III. But they're not monsters. They're humans, just like us. That's pretty frightening for most people.

I personally have thought about it,

Have you? You could have fooled me.

rejected it,

Yes, you've made that abundantly clear.

argued why it had no merit,

You'll have to refresh my memory.

and you still parrot that we don't like your theory because we don't like to think.

Unless you can show me unequivocally that what I have just written is false, I mean to KEEP saying it.

Your theory is not only ridiculous, preposterous, without merit, and stupid, it is based firmly on absolutely no, zero, none, nada, zilch evidence at all, whatsoever, in that vein. If you object, show your hand.

I do object, STRONGLY, to both assertions. Where would you like me to start?

If it is the last one you played, you're finished.

I've heard that before.
 
Neither the tape nor the cord were sourced to the house. While some posters here are able to easily find both their black and grey tape, LE was unable to do that at the R's with or without JR's help.

Within RDI, what happened to the cord and tape rolls? Why were other uses never found for either the cord or the tape?

Any NUMBER of possibilities present themselves.

Why would JR/PR be unable to identify either the tape or cord, or other uses for it?

I should think the answer to that would be fairly obvious!
 
You don't?

NO.

Does that help you understand where I got your idea?

No, I can't say it does. Reincarnation as I understand it means that the soul of a dead person is literally reborn inside of a new body. That's a fair distance from trying to co-opt a famous name for your own ends. I can't count the number of times that someone has claimed to be the "new" so-and-so.

You brought up MM because you believe Patsy likely thought of staging the strangulation with her cult like status in mind for Joni.

That much you got right. I did bring it up for that reason.
 
Any NUMBER of possibilities present themselves.



I should think the answer to that would be fairly obvious!





The number of possibilities to explain not one but all four (4):
  1. Missing cord package/roll.
  2. Missing black tape package/roll.
  3. No innocent use of cord found.
  4. No innocent use of black tape found.
What scenario can you describe that would satisfy all four possibilities simultaneously. And, does the scenario involve JR or PR concealing tape or cord?
Its worth pointing out that in order for PR/JR to have accidentally killed their daughter (the prevailing RDI theory), all items needed to be on hand that night. We can find no indication that this freshly cut cord or black tape were ever owned or operated, innocently or criminally, by JR or PR even though it is crucial to uphold RDI's theory.
 
If it is black tape, why does it look grey? You said it 'was adhering' to the blanket, meaning it was sticky side down. You have said black tape is grey on the sticky side. If it was black and was adhering to the blanket, then it would be black not grey in the photo.
Fleet White decided to go back downstairs to the wine cellar where JBR's body had been found. He had looked into the same room early that morning when he made a quick search of the house. Now that there was a light on, he saw clearly for the first time a white blanket in the center of the cement floor. A piece of black duct tape was lying on it. He picked up the tape, which felt sticky, and then placed it on the blanket for the police. He looked around the room cluttered with paint cans, lumber and window screens before he went back upstairs to guard the door.
PMPT - pages 20-21

"Earlier when White had opened that same door, he had been unable to see anything in the stygian darkness. John Ramsey was kneeling beside his daughter, feeling her ashen face. A piece of black duct tape lay on the blanket, and a long cord was attached to her right wrist. Nearby was a pink nightgown. White, who had never before touched a dead person, felt JonBenet's cold ankle, turned, and ran for help. John Ramsey picked up his daughter, who had been carefully wrapped, papoose-like, in a white blanket, and followed.
ST Page 29


The FBI lab said that both tape samples, from the mouth and the pictures, were a low grade and of low quality, possibly the Shufford Mills model PC-600
ST pages 281-282

This is the duct tape in question: http://www.shurtape.com/Portals/0/TechSheets/PC_600_TS.pdf
 

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