WI - ICE seeks help to ID youth in photos #2 - Identified

[believe09]

http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_20890602/immigration-agency-seeks-help-id-youth-photos



Very strange.....perhaps a webcam picture? Maybe online asked for help?

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...-agents-help-us-identify-endangered-teen?lite

Neudauer said the photos are still shots from an online video. In the photograph, the teen is pictured wearing a blue and red Minnesota Twins T-shirt. Other details released by ICE:
•The teen is between ages 13 and 19
•Photos were taken in a basement
•The photos are no more than 18 months to 24 months old, based on the Minnesota logo and when it first appeared in the market (July 2010) – also, it appears faded from several washings.

People with information can contact ICE/HSI on their tip line at 866-347-2423 or online at [URL="http://www.ice.gov/tips/"]www.ice.gov/tips/[/URL]

Bump-this is who everyone is looking for.

 

[believe09]

I don't know why it is thought I think it is a conspiracy, I do NOT think that. IMO, MOO, etc.

Bolded and respectfully snipped. I worded my response poorly-I do not think you believe it is a conspiracy. It was an umbrella comment I was making.

 

[okiedokietoo]

I think le did search missing persons databases but didn't locate a match. I also think there's a chance this boy either went missing on purpose many years ago & his family didn't care (if he even had a family), or maybe was kidnapped or sdopted as an infant and was trained to behave how he did out of fear. I keep going back to ICE & HSI specifically saying he is in danger. Could he be a runaway that just went undetected and/or unpublished? Maybe he's not from the US?

He wouldn't be missing if the adult/adults are parents/step-parents. This all really strange. ICE does investigate cybercrime but if they found this video while investigating another case, wouldn't the release of even these two photos possibly put the children in a more harmful situation depending who and how wacko the adults might be? If the children are being held captive in a house or basement can they ever be let out of the house now that the photos are out and the video is on the net? Aren't they in more danger now? There is something off, don't know what but something doesn't make sense.

 

[believe09]

The first thread is available and here:

Immigration agency seeks help to ID youth in photos - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

It is simply locked.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

That is exactly why I posted both comments and the imageshack link to the NCMEC Cyber tip line. They were distributing child on a MSM news site. They didn't come across that video innocently. There were ways to show the boys face by cropping without even including the girl at all, instead of just blurring her face.

What I thought was even more relevant is the time between when the article was posted as compared to the time the posted comment occurred pointing to the imageshack photos. How could somebody have found that video in such a short amount of time unless they knew exactly where to look? Then again, maybe they were on the 4chan site when they were spammed with this video?

Hey there's a thought! Question: What is the date and time of this cp video being first posted on 4chan? Is there a 4chan member on here that might remember a roundabout time/date? Could it coincide with a widespread bust?

 

[kittykat1]

I stupidly clicked on the link from the MSM site and wish I hadn't. As a child sexual abuse survivor it has made me feel very unsettled and dirty, yes, dirty. It has brought up a lot of horrible feelings that I find difficult to explain. Please don't look for the imageshack pics unless you are feeling very strong

So very sorry to read you were once abused. May I please ask, what is MSM? I cannot figure out what it is. Thanks.

 

[Jacie Estes]

I already have. I already have realized that telling someone that I am going to run out for a while and would they watch their (fill in the blank sister, cousin whatever) could be one of the worst mistakes I ever make.

I think the sad part is that 'those' [I am being very careful in choosing words here] who are pictured, in trying to be 'playahs', are being manipulated by others who have nefarious motives. I am afraid there is a factor to this that will be bone chilling. Surprisingly, it may seem innocent at first glance.

Difficult scenario, on so many levels, one that some will never totally comprehend.

 

[Anon51]

What I thought was even more relevant is the time between when the article was posted as compared to the time the posted comment occurred pointing to the imageshack photos. How could somebody have found that video in such a short amount of time unless they knew exactly where to look? Then again, maybe they were on the 4chan site when they were spammed with this video?

Hey there's a thought! Question: What is the date and time of this cp video being first posted on 4chan? Is there a 4chan member on here that might remember a roundabout time/date? Could it coincide with a widespread bust?

On /x/, people said it was posted in 2010 but quickly deleted.

 

[believe09]

So very sorry to read you were once abused. May I please ask, what is MSM? I cannot figure out what it is. Thanks.

Main Stream Media...like CNN and MSNBC.

 

[believe09]

On /x/, people said it was posted in 2010 but quickly deleted.

Interesting...

 

[Jersey*Girl]

He wouldn't be missing if the adult/adults are parents/step-parents. This all really strange. ICE does investigate cybercrime but if they found this video while investigating another case, wouldn't the release of even these two photos possibly put the children in a more harmful situation depending who and how wacko the adults might be? If the children are being held captive in a house or basement can they ever be let out of the house now that the photos are out and the video is on the net? Aren't they in more danger now? There is something off, don't know what but something doesn't make sense.

I think it's why they chose the pictures that they did. All I know is that they have to have more info than what we do so I respect their decision to put out the chosen photos that they did.

I posted the original news release from ICE's official site. It's worder differently than how the main stream media worded their articles. I posted the link & article a few pages back. In their initial release they don't say the boy is in imminent danger but a day later msm articles quote HSI/ICE as saying this boy and others are in imminent danger. So what gives?

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Interesting...

Very!!!

 

[BD1]

I think the sad part is that 'those' [I am being very careful in choosing words here] who are pictured, in trying to be 'playahs', are being manipulated by others who have nefarious motives. I am afraid there is a factor to this that will be bone chilling. Surprisingly, it may seem innocent at first glance.

Difficult scenario, on so many levels, one that some will never totally comprehend.

Can you say what your theory is? And why we would think of our basements differently?

 

[Jacie Estes]

He wouldn't be missing if the adult/adults are parents/step-parents. This all really strange. ICE does investigate cybercrime but if they found this video while investigating another case, wouldn't the release of even these two photos possibly put the children in a more harmful situation depending who and how wacko the adults might be? If the children are being held captive in a house or basement can they ever be let out of the house now that the photos are out and the video is on the net? Aren't they in more danger now? There is something off, don't know what but something doesn't make sense.

TD may well be living 'underground' and not realize what the full extent is/was. IMHO

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Believe ~

http://www.latimes.com/business/tec...icking-kamala-harris-20120618,0,6268225.story

Searching for 'human trafficking' finds more resources in results
By Michelle Maltais
June 18, 2012, 3:21 p.m.

Snipped:
As more attention is being paid to children and their safety online, a new initiative joining State Atty. Gen. Kamala Harris, Yahoo and the Polaris Project is targeting modern slavery.

(More at link)

 

[Rougelatete]

I could be seeing what I want to see, but the two basements look very similar. I wish I could post pics with arrows to show what similarities I'm seeing, but I'll just try to describe. In TD's friend's basement, there is a part of the ceiling that juts lower than the rest (similar to a beam) where it meets the pole everyone was talking about in thread #1. There appears to be a similar effect in the photos released by LE. Also, the thin, high windows showing daylight appear to be similar. Yes, I realize this is a basement and many basements have those type of windows -- but many don't (including mine) and it's worth noting the similarity. I would also like to note the presence of large pieces of furniture in both basements that are being used as furniture (i.e. bookshelves, china cabinets, etc) as opposed to simply being stored in the basement.

At the very end of the last video on TD's friend's myspace account, the camera gets picked up and you get a quick swipe of the right-hand side of the basement. There, you see what appears to be another support pole, a couch or futon, beanbag chair, and television in a console. It's very quick and I've tried to pause the frames but they get blurry when I do that. Is anyone else able to grab screenshots of those last few seconds of the video -- and, mods, is that something we might be able to post here without posting the person's name whom we grabbed the screenshots from?

 

[Jersey*Girl]

*~* Wanted to note... *~*

It is against the law to hack another's connection. I didn't know this as I'm not a hacker, not as technically advanced. I thought it was legal when done to assist in uncovering something that is illegal. I was wrong. Only le & proper authorities with clearance can do this legally. So PLEASE no hacking...or hacking links. Sorry for any confusion.

:grouphug:

 

[imamaze]

I could be seeing what I want to see, but the two basements look very similar. I wish I could post pics with arrows to show what similarities I'm seeing, but I'll just try to describe. In TD's friend's basement, there is a part of the ceiling that juts lower than the rest (similar to a beam) where it meets the pole everyone was talking about in thread #1. There appears to be a similar effect in the photos released by LE. Also, the thin, high windows showing daylight appear to be similar. Yes, I realize this is a basement and many basements have those type of windows -- but many don't (including mine) and it's worth noting the similarity. I would also like to note the presence of large pieces of furniture in both basements that are being used as furniture (i.e. bookshelves, china cabinets, etc) as opposed to simply being stored in the basement.

At the very end of the last video on TD's friend's myspace account, the camera gets picked up and you get a quick swipe of the right-hand side of the basement. There, you see what appears to be another support pole, a couch or futon, beanbag chair, and television in a console. It's very quick and I've tried to pause the frames but they get blurry when I do that. Is anyone else able to grab screenshots of those last few seconds of the video -- and, mods, is that something we might be able to post here without posting the person's name whom we grabbed the screenshots from?

BBM

At this point we are not allowing screenshots like this. Admin is deciding what we can and can't post and will let us know as soon as its decided. I'll alert on this question as well.

:tyou:

 

[GizHoudini]

Apparently the consensus on 4chan was that this kid posted the video back in 2010. The poor girl is his cousin or sister and he was just showing off.
I don't know if this is true or not.

I'm kind of leaning towards the mystery boy being the "adult" they are trying to find. Which is why the article is so vague and confusing. And it explains the broad age range. He looks about 15-16ish in the picture, if the timeline is correct about the video being 2 years old that would make him around 18 now.

 

[Jacie Estes]

I could be seeing what I want to see, but the two basements look very similar. I wish I could post pics with arrows to show what similarities I'm seeing, but I'll just try to describe. In TD's friend's basement, there is a part of the ceiling that juts lower than the rest (similar to a beam) where it meets the pole everyone was talking about in thread #1. There appears to be a similar effect in the photos released by LE. Also, the thin, high windows showing daylight appear to be similar. Yes, I realize this is a basement and many basements have those type of windows -- but many don't (including mine) and it's worth noting the similarity. I would also like to note the presence of large pieces of furniture in both basements that are being used as furniture (i.e. bookshelves, china cabinets, etc) as opposed to simply being stored in the basement.

At the very end of the last video on TD's friend's myspace account, the camera gets picked up and you get a quick swipe of the right-hand side of the basement. There, you see what appears to be another support pole, a couch or futon, beanbag chair, and television in a console. It's very quick and I've tried to pause the frames but they get blurry when I do that. Is anyone else able to grab screenshots of those last few seconds of the video -- and, mods, is that something we might be able to post here without posting the person's name whom we grabbed the screenshots from?

I saw that, as well and it blurred trying to get stills.