WI - ICE seeks help to ID youth in photos #2 - Identified

[EXIA15145]

Here's another link.

http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/LegalCenter/story?id=1364110#.T-sCc93X5vk

I think we should contemplate thinking outside the box.
This young girl was adopted from Russia. The poor kid was around 5 yrs I think when this pervert adopted her. I'm not optimistic I guess, because I don't think this is the only child being abused this way.
Steven Staynor was in public schools in the state of California, the home from which he was abducted, and at one point lived near members of his extended family, so the kidnapper moved. He was practically right under their noses, and this guy had him for approximately 7 yrs. (he was 7 yrs old when the guy abducted him) The kidnapper was caught AFTER he abducted another boy, a 5 yr old, and Steven took him down to the police station and told him to go in and tell them his name. Someone in the station saw Steven leaving the area and they went after him and got him, too. He told them 'I know my first name is Steven....'

 

[kittykat1]

Perhaps Joe Mauer, the Minnesota Twins player, number 7 could help attract more attention. If the teen hasn't been identified, maybe Joe could help? What do you think?

 

[tlcya]

I keep lurking and following but I tend to think that we will never know when they have identified him and that is frustrating beyond words.

 

[prima.facie]

Hi everyone . I've been thinking, I don't believe this child is in school because someone would have recognized him by now. His picture has recieved alot of attention all over the world and no one can still identify him very strange. I also went to the MeetMe site and did my own search, none of those guys resembled this boy at all. But I did come across an article speaking about the dangers of the site, alot of young kids have had bad horrible experiences on that site that led to them being raped and so on . I was also surprised how many used there toddlers pictures for photos on that site. It shouldn't be allowed it is an adult site no reason for a babys picture to be up.

has his picture been received attention all over the world?
while it has been on some MSM sites, I do not think it is getting that much attention....not everyone goes to these MSM sites to read news (I dont unless I follow a link to a site)...i havent seen it hit the TV news at all and nobody I know that follows "kid cases" have heard of it.....
they are not pushing this issue in the news at all. it has pretty much died up and nobody but us are talking about it....

 

[Laughing]

Someone claiming to be an adult would be receiving payment.

I don't remember the magazine, but read an article a few years back that talked about people receiving 'swag' payments through PayPal.

Money deposited into one's PayPal account can be spent on eBay and Amazon.com for example.

And according to the article, the receiver could see the deposit in real time. So during a video chat, the payer might ask the other person to remove an article of clothing. They would agree on a price, the money would be paid into the PayPal account, the receiver would remove the article of clothing.

Scary, scary article!

In theory an adult opened the alleged PayPal account.

Sorry this is somewhat rambling, but I think readers here can see how it relates.

Laughing (but certainly not about this thread.)

 

[T4Tide]

I signed up for the MyYearBook site mentioned. It allows people to sort by sex and age (oddly, it's 17+, not 18+) and area. I looked at all males in Green Bay, Wisconsin between the ages of 18-22 and none of the ones named John matched the ICE boy in any way. If you sign up and search, you can check real names by just hovering over the pics (they'll say something like x miles away from ___, age _, and on hovering, shows the person's first name). However, she might have the name wrong.

I did the same, except I looked thru every single male from 18-25 in the states of WI and MN. I did not find a match to our guy.

Trouble.is.... If you've seen the other stills, you know that the pic they released doesn't really look like him. The first pic.is distorted from the webcam... Kinda "fisheye." The bridge of his nose and eyes are much more normal than they appear.

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[Harmony 2]

I have been sitting back, reading, watching all of this unfold. I really thought they would have identified this young man by now. Just a few thoughts I have been having:
I don't think this young man is a missing person. Some of u have stated that someone would have recognized him from school by now. My hunch is that perhaps he is not enrolled in a traditional school setting. Maybe he is homeschooled or is being "unschooled".

Not all media outlets have reported this story, so maybe it is being mixed up but a couple have reported that there is an adult present but not all of them have made that statement. ( will have to look for links- sorry). If there isn't an adult present in the sense of FORCING him to do his actions then could it be possible that he stumbled onto a predator online who has talked him into doing this for money or something? I'm not trying to accuse or condemn him- just opening my mind to all possibilities. Either way both of those scenarios would make him a victim :-(.

Another thing that has been on my mind that I would like to point out... I have a son that is around this age. My son is 14- which to me looks around the age of this young man AT THE TIME OF THE PHOTOS. That being said, my point is that it was stated that these photos could be up to 24 months old. For my son, in the past two years, his facial features have really changed... ALOT. I was recently looking at some photos from a couple of years ago with a friend who I didn't know at that time & she didn't even recognize my son bc he has changed so much. So we definitely need to keep that in mind when trying to put a name to this young man.

I sure hope this can get some closure soon so that these children involved can get out of their situation and into therapy.

Welcome to WS!! You have made some excellent points... I was thinking that flyers with this boys picture should be posted at Walmarts, Best Buys and game or video stores in the suspected area of Wisconsin and Minnesota. :seeya:

 

[laura08]

has his picture been received attention all over the world?
while it has been on some MSM sites, I do not think it is getting that much attention....not everyone goes to these MSM sites to read news (I dont unless I follow a link to a site)...i havent seen it hit the TV news at all and nobody I know that follows "kid cases" have heard of it.....
they are not pushing this issue in the news at all. it has pretty much died up and nobody but us are talking about it....

Yes I do feel his picture has recieved attention all over the world via the net you have people posting on there facebook, myspace, fourms, blogs etc looking for this child trying to identify him. I also seen he was on a UK site they where trying to identify him. I haven't seen it on the news. When I 1st heard about the boy it was in on the front page of my computer news article, now he is no longer on the front page but he was at one point.

 

[EXIA15145]

I sent emails out to a few people with a link to one of the news articles. Most of them were out of state. A couple people replied, but all they said was they didn't know him. I thought perhaps other people on here were sending the links to other people. But you are correct, at least with the people I've talked with. Most people outside of here aren't talking about it and many haven't seen it or heard about it at all.

 

[EXIA15145]

I did the same, except I looked thru every single male from 18-25 in the states of WI and MN. I did not find a match to our guy.

Trouble.is.... If you've seen the other stills, you know that the pic they released doesn't really look like him. The first pic.is distorted from the webcam... Kinda "fisheye." The bridge of his nose and eyes are much more normal than they appear.

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But why release the photo and not another if the ones they released 'don't really look like him?? That doesn't seem logical or helpful at all.

 

[tlcya]

But why release the photo and not another if the ones they released 'don't really look like him?? That doesn't seem logical or helpful at all.

I am thinking if there were better still images that more accurately showed his appearance, they could not be used as they were graphic in some way

 

[EXIA15145]

On a missing persons FB Page - there is a profile of the boy in the Minnesota T-shirt. In the comments section - a person comments that they have chatted with the boy on a website - and gave the website name.

I checked out the website and it is a web cam dating type site. How these sites work is basically one person pays to view another person on webcam. Or possibly they can both view each other. Depending on the set-up of the site and individual user computer - they can text chat or have an audio chat during video. You would also be able to view your own video in a window - to make sure you are captured in video - and the camera is not pointed at the ceiling or whatever. Since the other person is paying. In theory - there would be an adult paying to view an adult. A tech-savvy person could save or record this video chat session.

After it is saved - a person could make many copies on a DVD if they wanted. Then delete the original off of their computer. Or sell or trade their computer altogether - after deleting the files and keep the DVD - then upload the video to websites and charge a fee. Or sell the DVDs. There are many options. The person on the other end of the video chat may have no idea that is even possible for a person to save - or record - the video chat session.

To sign into this video dating website - there is an option to login using your FB account. So in one click - FB logs in for you. It is possible the person that stated they chatted with the boy on there did so long ago - and just had a family friendly chat. The site used to have a different name - which the commenter posts. Now the video chat site goes by a different name - when you type in the old site name - it simply re-directs.

It is possible someone has a profile on this site with the boys photo - with code type words that only underground types would understand. Possibly once in awhile a person genuinely wants to just chat with the boy or whoever profile is being used - not understanding the code words. So a chat is accepted and that may be how the person on the Missing Persons site got to see the boy. Or maybe he has family friendly chats when controllers are not around. {Or maybe it was not even him.}

When whoever is controlling the payments for the videos sees that the person is not going to pay for video chat - that person probably quickly closes down chat. When they get a paying customer - the person controlling the payments establishes what the viewer will pay for - it is arranged in a text chat - and payment is accepted then that person gets out of camera view and the video chat is started.

Probably un-knowing that video chat sessions could be recorded. Maybe they usually cannot. Maybe someone recorded this one time not even with the computer - but used a camera or cellphone and pointed it at the screen. Perhaps the website put download - blocking software in place. Because if you could save the video chat sessions - it would not be good for the website itself - people would just do one or two pay sessions and record or save them to their own computer and watch them over and over instead of paying for a new chat session each time they wanted to see a lady. But tech savvy persons could always find a way around this - with software that will allow them to download videos that are not supposed to be downloadable. Without knowing the set-up of the website it is hard to say.

Of course I am not 100% sure that this is where the video originated from. Just some info I collected from comments sections. I thought I would share - to see if anyone else thinks this may be a valid source of the video - video dating site. If so we could perhaps find a profile on the site that matches up. I am not sure if video dating really describes it correctly. The old site name used to something more close to like a yearbook type of name - but the site still allowed people to do video chatting for pay. Or text chat and see photos and FB Page.

Another commenter posted the boy has chatted online - he stated that he is from Green Bay Wisconsin and is named John.

That's all I got.

Your comments here reminded me of a case a LONG time ago, I'd guess more than 20 years? Do I have to be able to provide a source in order for this to be allowed? I don't even remember if this was on the television or online in a newspaper.
The guy was molesting a 10 yr old girl live on webcam, taking 'requests' from viewers for specific things to be done by the man to the girl. The girl? She was one of the guests at his daughter's sleepover. He went in the room where they were all sleeping and brought her out and was doing this on some kind of online live chat room for pedophiles.
Yes, they got caught that same night. The police rescued the girl and arrested 13 people. I don't remember if it was 13 plus the molester or 13 including him.
All I can tell you is I heard of the thing in the news after the arrests were already made.

 

[EXIA15145]

But wouldn't they be able to crop them or edit out what they don't want to be seen?
I've only seen the LE photos, but I was online here when the other ones were being discussed by other people and there was no way I was going to look at them. I was afraid if I went looking for the facial ones I'd end up viewing something the others were describing as shocking and sickening, etc.

 

[Artis]

You might want to take a look at this, it could provide another perspective:

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/25/2867962/4-charged-with-running-foster.html

I had heard these kind of situations were out there. This article popped up when I was looking for something else, and it seemed like this link belongs here. This child could be in the middle of a living hell. Others were, and others still are.

From the article:

The human trafficking investigation also involves a now-suspended child abuse investigator for the agency that oversees child welfare efforts in Florida. Jean LaCroix, a child protective investigator employed by the Department of Children & Families, was placed on paid administrative leave while police and prosecutors investigate allegations he repeatedly had sex with a teenaged foster child whose safety he was assigned to protect.

Sources have told The Miami Herald that LaCroix placed the girl at a group home for dependent children — and turn returned to the home repeatedly to pick the girl up for sexual favors. The girl, sources say, also was working for members of the ring who were arrested Monday.

LaCroix had spearheaded a 2006 child abuse investigation — prompted by a call from worried teachers and administrators — into the welfare of Nubia Barahona, a twin who was adopted from foster care and was killed in 2011, police say by her own adoptive parents, Carmen and Jorge Barahona. LaCroix was named in a lawsuit alleging DCF failed repeatedly to protect Nubia, and her brother, Victor, whom police say also endured years of torment.

LaCroix has not been charged with any crimes.

 

[pjclover]

I am thinking if there were better still images that more accurately showed his appearance, they could not be used as they were graphic in some way

There were/are better, non-graphic images. Out of the set of graphic images posted at a photo hosting site, a member here pulled a few stills showing only the boy and nothing questionable. The problem became that the stills are still from a video that is undoubtedly child . Since they weren't released by LE, a decision was made to keep them from being posted here. Understandable.

What I can't understand is why LE used the pics they did, when the other (edited by member) pics present the boy as looking rather different. Who knows. We'll probably never get that answer. My problem is that as I'm searching through pics on FB and other sites for the boy I'm doing so knowing that I don't have the most accurate depiction of him.

I have a feeling, based on the amount of time that has passed and comments from other members who have been much more personally and directly involved, that LE has a pretty good handle on this one. If not, I think we would have seen some additional pictures or get a little more information by now.

 

[prima.facie]

Your comments here reminded me of a case a LONG time ago, I'd guess more than 20 years? Do I have to be able to provide a source in order for this to be allowed? I don't even remember if this was on the television or online in a newspaper.
The guy was molesting a 10 yr old girl live on webcam, taking 'requests' from viewers for specific things to be done by the man to the girl. The girl? She was one of the guests at his daughter's sleepover. He went in the room where they were all sleeping and brought her out and was doing this on some kind of online live chat room for pedophiles.
Yes, they got caught that same night. The police rescued the girl and arrested 13 people. I don't remember if it was 13 plus the molester or 13 including him.
All I can tell you is I heard of the thing in the news after the arrests were already made.

ok im aging myself...but was there widely used internet and webcams 20 yrs ago? im thinking not at all...and i didnt live in a cave. lol

but regardless.....it is widespread unfortunately, esp w/ the deepweb/darknets....

 

[Jules71]

ok im aging myself...but was there widely used internet and webcams 20 yrs ago? im thinking not at all...and i didnt live in a cave. lol

but regardless.....it is widespread unfortunately, esp w/ the deepweb/darknets....

I first went online in the early to mid 1980's using a service called Prodigy. That was +/- 30 years ago. AOL was getting pretty big in the early 90's - so yes, I would say the internet and webcams were widely used 20 years ago.

 

[EXIA15145]

ok im aging myself...but was there widely used internet and webcams 20 yrs ago? im thinking not at all...and i didnt live in a cave. lol

but regardless.....it is widespread unfortunately, esp w/ the deepweb/darknets....

YOU ARE CORRECT! MY BAD! While I didn't say it was 'widely used' I said he was on a web cam, and they were in a (I didn't say private, my bad) private chat room, there were 13, possibly 13 plus the molester, and it was on web cam. You know, you are correct. It was around 1998 to 2000. Sorry, my math skills stink. I should have put in the years instead of saying 20. It's a little more than 10. I dunno why I added ten more years there. Maybe because the last ten years feel like 20 to me. I'M SO SORRY!
This happened before I got an account to chat with a friend on AOL IM. I didn't know a darn thing about online at the time, and when they said this was live chat with a web cam, I think I asked 'what's a web cam? '

 

[Mandy113]

Lets hope so! His picture is still on the Ice website. http://www.ice.gov/#

Thanks for the link to that website. Last time I looked at it this afternoon, they were still requesting information about this boy. I don't expect to ever hear the full, detailed story about how they became aware of him or why they're looking for him. I would think they would remove the request for info about him from their website once he's been identified, though I may be wrong.

JMO

 

[DevilsPlayThing]

I posted some photos in the other thread - I used only the photos released by ICE. I adjusted the lighting and used other image edit to enhance photos. Only the 2 photos released by ICE were used. I am not sure if these are the images that anyone is referring to - or interested in viewing. If so - and with permission of course - I would like to include them in a post on this thread.