WI - Jacob Wetterling posters/video in home of deceased Vernon Seitz, also child 🤬🤬🤬🤬

[MeoW333]

It is extremely unethical for a psychiatrist to give out information about a patients conversations with the psychiatrist. Any time law enforcement wants access to the file they have to subpoena it.

This ethical standard is kept because if patients fear the psychiatrist turning them in they won't be honest with their psychiatrist and that greatly inhibits any kind of progression in the therapy.

I'm 99.9% sure that if a therapist knows that a crime is going to be committed that they have to legally inform the police.

I'm not sure if past crimes are covered by that too. I don't think they are.

If i recall right, i don't think therapists can do much about past crimes. Even if the person hasn't been caught for them. A lot of times they may have delusional patients who confess to all sorts of things, so it would be worthless to check into past confessions.
Anything involving the present that could put their patient or others in danger that is spoken about, then the therapist should order a 72 hour evaluation.
I question the ethics of Dr. Victoria Fetter, as she should have put Seitz in for 72 hour eval as soon as he started mentioning his feelings for little boys and showed her or talked about his drawings. The least she could have done is called another psychiatrist for their opinion on what to do about the matter (she wouldn't have to name the patient to do this) at least she would get a second opinion if she wasn't sure about putting him in 72 hour herself. IMO, his feelings and obsessions with children would potentially put children in danger, and i would have put him in a 72 hour right away.
Dr Fetter should have did the 72 hour evaluation as soon as he started talking about his fantasies. Children could have potentially be endangered.

 

[MeoW333]

Thanks all, yes, the FBI and the Lead Investigator, Sensitive Crimes Unit, MPD are aware of it.

Awesome, Drivenon!:clap::coffeecup::clap:

 

[MeoW333]

Is there a way LE could tell how fresh the new concrete was? How recent it had been poured? We know pedophiles network with each other. What if Seitz knew he was dying and had someone help him rid of extra evidence, (or Seitz did it himself) certainly looks like he either had something moved or he wanted people to think he had things buried. Why go through all that trouble with failing health, especially if nothing is there?
I hope they can find something in his harddrive. Maybe he has some pedophile friends or relatives that would help him to cover their own butts and moved any evidence that was in the ground or basement.
Is anyone aware of Seitz going on any trips or having visitors move things out within the few months before his death? He had said he was moving to his mother's in Racine. Perhaps he was moving evidence elsewhere.


"MILWAUKEE - Milwaukee Police is looking into the past of Vernon Seitz, who told his psychiatrist on his deathbed that he was kidnapped and forced to kill a boy when he was just 12 years old."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28628909/

He told Fetter his "confession" on his deathbed. Maybe he had second thoughts about that so either dug up the yard and basement himself or had some help moving evidence elsewhere..

 

[Mysterylover]

Is there a way LE could tell how fresh the new concrete was? How recent it had been poured?

We know pedophiles network with each other. What if Seize knew he was dying and had someone help him rid of extra evidence, (or Seize did it himself) certainly looks like he either had something moved or he wanted people to think he had things buried.

With all the dirt piles and new cement in the basement, he moved some things somewhere to other properties or destroyed them.

Why go through all that trouble with failing health, especially if nothing is there? A lot of work for a sick man..

I hope they can find something in his hard-drive. Maybe he has some pedophile friends or relatives that would help him to cover their own butts and moved any evidence that was in the ground or basement.

Is anyone aware of Seitz going on any trips or having visitors move things out within the few months before his death? He had said he was moving to his mother's in Racine.
Perhaps he was moving evidence elsewhere.


"MILWAUKEE - Milwaukee Police is looking into the past of Vernon Seize, who told his psychiatrist on his deathbed that he was kidnapped and forced to kill a boy when he was just 12 years old."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28628909/

He told Fetter his "confession" on his deathbed?
Maybe he had second thoughts about that so either dug up the yard and basement himself or had some help moving evidence elsewhere.....

meows...Yes, experts can tell if the concrete is fairly fresh.
I agree, people just don't dig holes for NO reason, especially IF they are aware they are sick or dying..

My common sense guess is :something possibly pointing the finger at Seitz being a murderer or serial killer had been buried there.
Something Like: boxes/bags with his trophies, like movies, pictures of him with children, cloths, hair, shoes, torture devices, murder weapons, fishing poles or what's left of children.

There was definitely something important enough to do the hard work of digging a hole, to retrieve something, buying and mixing concrete to fill the hole.
Filling the hole with concrete is the "Smoking Gun", imo...

I suspect one of the many things buried in the hole was related to the 1 or 2 children he/they/ admitted to murdering when he was 12 yrs. old..summer of 1959..
Think about how easy it would be for a 12 yr. old male to kidnap a small 4 year old boy with some fish story!

How did he have the 'holes' marked before he dug them up? of did he use a metal detector to find where to dig?

How long had he lived there? Did he own or rent the property?

I've read, most pedophiles have a network of pedophile friends that would help him to cover their own butts or the relatives might help to cover the families reputation ...:fish:

 

[Steely Dan]

meows...Yes, experts can tell if the concrete is fairly fresh.
I agree, people just don't dig holes for NO reason, especially IF they are aware they are sick or dying..

Something pointing the finger at Seitz was buried there.
Something Like: boxes/bags with movies, pictures of him with children, cloths, hair, shoes, torture devices, fishing poles or what's left of children.

There was definitely something important enough to do the hard work of digging a hole, to retrieve something, buying and mixing concrete to fill the hole.

I suspect one of the many things buried in the hole was related to the child he admitted to murdering when he was 12 yrs. old..

I've read, most pedophiles have a network of pedophile friends that would help him to cover their own butts or the relatives might help to cover the families reputation ...:fish:

NAMBLA absolutely disgusting!! uke: :furious:

 

[SeriouslySearching]

It sounds to me like Seitz could tell the therapist anything and it would not have mattered...since the therapist was only interested in the money coming in on a regular basis, imo. This wasn't therapy...this was a solid income which the therapist could count on for years and years.

 

[Drivenon]

It should be very interesting to see how the doctor is handled in all of this mess. Unless he was going to commit a crime his records should have been confidential until they were subpoenaed. Perhaps she had his permission to look into his alleged crime confessions, but she should be able to document that if she did.

I would not worry about LE's comments about there being nothing to investigate. They don't want an even bigger press convergance on the area. There is noway they are investigating and testing things from that scene. We will hear more about their investigation when they are ready.

I believed that until I found out that the FBI was not contacted, even for use of their testing lab, from an article I read on SM.. My guess is they are relying on the DNA tests coming back to match to a database. It's a little bit like hoping they get lucky considering the ages of some of these cases unfortunately. Once a tie-in, or potential tie-in to a case where the FBI HAS been involved surfaces, this changes, but only on a case by case basis.

What needs to happen, imo, is that the Behavioral Sciences Profile division, formerly headed by Kenneth Lanning prior to his retirement in 2000, needs to oversee this case. I think it is a mistake to sound all the alarms just yet, but I also think it would be a mistake to not take advantage of their resources.

 

[HesterMofet]

I don't think there is any client confidentiality when the client is dead. That is, I don't think they psychiatrist has to wait for a subpoena.

As for committing him for 72 hours, if there was no crime imminent, that is, if he was relating his fantasies to her and had no plan in place to commit them or stated that he was not going to commit these crimes, there is no legal way she could have had him committed. He was not an imminent danger to himself and others, even with vile fantasies.

I know it's naive, but I hope this guy was just a troubled, perverted soul who never actually touched a child.

 

[Mysterylover]

It sounds to me like Seitz could tell the therapist anything and it would not have mattered...since the therapist was only interested in the money coming in on a regular basis, imo.
This wasn't therapy...this was a solid income which the therapist could count on for years and years....

BINGO!...:couch:

 

[Drivenon]

It sounds to me like Seitz could tell the therapist anything and it would not have mattered...since the therapist was only interested in the money coming in on a regular basis, imo. This wasn't therapy...this was a solid income which the therapist could count on for years and years.

ITA, SS, In researching this subject, admittedly one I knew very little about before this Seitz arrest, I learned this:

1) 40% of pedophiles actually attempt to or molest children and in most cases is progressive. There is no "retreat" once they offend. If there is evidence of any compulsive or anxious behavior (not necessarily manifesting sexually) that number rises to 70%.. Seitz was being treated for anxiety.
In this instance, there is something called an Abel asessment, that is supposed to be given to the patient to quantify the potential of risk to offense ratio. So.. you have a man admitting to sexual attraction to young boys, a victim of male sexual assault as a youth, exhibiting anxiety. WTH?
I would be willing to bet he was referred to this shrink from his gen prac physician, who would not prescribe anti-anxiety meds without talk therapy.
Enter Fetter, and as we know anti-anxiety meds effect "ability" so how does one counteract that? Cialis, Viagra, Levitra. I agree with everyone on here if this is the combination of what was going on this woman should have a full investigation and her license revoked.
2) This Dr. was reprimanded (slap on the wrist) in 2000. If you review the transcript of the proceeding, it seems to be "retributive" behavior when a patient terminated her therapy.
3) The sketching or painting of what we would consider lewd images of children is not necessarily illegal. I hope to Hell she asked him if that was all he had and no other "illegal child ". If not, repeating last sentence of paragraph 1.

 

[Drivenon]

I don't think there is any client confidentiality when the client is dead. That is, I don't think they psychiatrist has to wait for a subpoena.

As for committing him for 72 hours, if there was no crime imminent, that is, if he was relating his fantasies to her and had no plan in place to commit them or stated that he was not going to commit these crimes, there is no legal way she could have had him committed. He was not an imminent danger to himself and others, even with vile fantasies.

I know it's naive, but I hope this guy was just a troubled, perverted soul who never actually touched a child.

Hester- I pray that you are right, but when I read the comments that this man was actively soliciting children many years ago to pose for a painting and showing kids that came to his shop his "work".. It is classic pedophillic lure tactics.

 

[Mysterylover]

ITA, SS, In researching this subject, admittedly one I knew very little about before this Seize arrest, I learned this:

1) 40% of pedophiles actually attempt to or molest children and in most cases is progressive. There is no "retreat" once they offend.
If there is evidence of any compulsive or anxious behavior (not necessarily manifesting sexually) that number rises to 70%..
Seize was being treated for anxiety.
In this instance, there is something called an Abel assessment, that is supposed to be given to the patient to quantify the potential of risk to offense ratio.
So.. you have a man admitting to sexual attraction to young boys, a victim of male sexual assault as a youth, exhibiting anxiety. WTH?
I would be willing to bet he was referred to this shrink from his gen prac physician, who would not prescribe anti-anxiety meds without talk therapy.
Enter Fetter, and as we know anti-anxiety meds effect "ability" so how does one counteract that? Cialis, Virgo, Levitra.
I agree with everyone on here if this is the combination of what was going on this woman should have a full investigation and her license revoked.
2) This Dr. was reprimanded (slap on the wrist) in 2000. If you review the transcript of the proceeding, it seems to be "retributive" behavior when a patient terminated her therapy.
3) The sketching or painting of what we would consider lewd images of children is not necessarily illegal. I hope to Hell she asked him if that was all he had and no other "illegal child ".
If not, repeating last sentence of paragraph 1.

Driveon...very interesting and informative...no retreat!...70%!...WOW!

What does research say about a male with these thoughts and behavior possibly committing a murder at age 12, what % will continue???

 

[Mysterylover]

Hester- I pray that you are right, but when I read the comments that this man was actively soliciting children many years ago to pose for a painting and showing kids that came to his shop his "work"..

It is classic pedophiliac lure tactics....

Driveon...You're right....imo
I can't understand any mother or father in their right minds that would allow their son to pose nude for this barber in order to 'paint' their picture??

Isn't that a crime to show young boys, nude pictures of young boys being tortured and molested? Did anyone ever complain to the police?

 

[Drivenon]

Driveon...very interesting and informative...no retreat!...70%!...WOW!

What does research say about a male with these thoughts and behavior possibly committing a murder at age 12, what % will continue???

ML, there are multiple variables that are unknown to answer that question and I am a layman on the subject with only recent study as related to this case.. Not dodging your question just dont feel I can answer it responsibly.

ML- I note that in your quote included from me, the spelling is changed on some words from the original post, when I read it I was like.. what was I doing when I posted that with all those errors? I clicked on mine to edit But mine is correct and yours is different. Im a newbie, did I miss something?

 

[Drivenon]

A Big Duh to Me.. I just realized, there is no S&S warrant for a car for Seitz.

Nada, no tire lifts, no odometer info, no luminal/hemo tests no fiber standard, nothin'.. How did he get to the shrink and his barber shop at a minimum?

The shop was between 10-13 mi from his home and it appears that he worked at it until his death. How did whatever was in the dirt piles get moved? Not tools from the shed taken to be tested?

 

[Mysterylover]

ML, there are multiple variables that are unknown to answer that question and I am a layman on the subject with only recent study as related to this case.. Not dodging your question just dont feel I can answer it responsibly.

ML- I note that in your quote included from me, the spelling is changed on some words from the original post, when I read it I was like.. what was I doing when I posted that with all those errors? I clicked on mine to edit But mine is correct and yours is different. Im a newbie, did I miss something?..

Driveon...Sorry about that.... It had to have happened some how when I used the 'spell check'....:bang:..I would never deliberately change anyone's spelling....on which # was the spelling changed?

 

[MeoW333]

Driveon...Sorry about that.... It had to have happened some how when I used the 'spell check'....:bang:..I would never deliberately change anyone's spelling....on which # was the spelling changed?

I think when you qoute, the spell check changes my name to meows lol
it's all good though

 

[Drivenon]

Driveon...Sorry about that.... It had to have happened some how when I used the 'spell check'....:bang:..I would never deliberately change anyone's spelling....on which # was the spelling changed?

Lol, duh. I never thought of that.. lol, no problem whatsoever, I thought it had something to do with "names", which made me think I was breaking a rule or something.. still learning.. :blowkiss:

 

[Mysterylover]

I think when you qoute, the spell check changes my name to meows lol
it's all good though

MeoW333...You gave me a good laugh! Yes, that's what the spell check has done, sorry I didn't notice...it checks quotes as well as my post.
thanks for making lemonade from the lemon and giving me my best laugh of the day....:bow::..:

 

[Steely Dan]

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