Found Alive WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *Arrest* #35

[oviedo]

I would open the door for any of my neighbors at any time.

Only if I can see them I switched out an all glass door (I know -shudder) to a steel door but have a side light but we rarely open the door even for fedex! Recently had a LE officer attempt to serve a subpoena and got a call at work to see if it was ok to open - we have family LE and thought someone was injured in LOD and they still did not open the door until I approved - we are paranoid and careful - I think Mr Closs heard something and JP shot him right through the door after peeking in the window IMO

 

[Lillymac]

So someone paid those bills imo

Someone from that general area mentioned that there are winter rates that are lower. How much can a utility bill be in that area? I really don't know...

 

[Inthedetails]

Good night, all!

What a JOYFUL surprise to hear the news earlier today that Jayme is alive and now safe!!! That's the thought I want to keep right now. I really don't care at this moment about much else, especially not pounding points into each other (that's my opinion, might not match yours).

Jayme is ALIVE! Wow. That is soooo wonderful!!! I know we will be remembering her on other cases, giving ourselves hope for outcomes like this. Jayme.....so proud of you!

But, good night!

jmo

 

[margarita25]

Ok as I said I’m trying to catch up here, I’m sure this has already been addressed:

At this morning’s 10am conference I though SF (Sherriff Fitzgerald) that JP was NOT out looking for her when was apprehended? The article below says otherwise, I’m assuming part of the 4:00 update? Going to read now but wanted to note discrepancy before I forget:

“The man accused of kidnapping Jayme Closs and killing her parents in October wasn’t home when the teenager made her escape and he “appeared to be out looking for her” when authorities located him, officials said Friday.

The suspect, 21-year-old Jake Thomas Patterson, of Gordon, Wis., was driving around in his vehicle when he was apprehended, Barron County Sheriff Chris Fitzgerald said at a news conference.”

Jayme Closs suspect wasn’t home when she escaped, ‘appeared to be out looking for her,’ authorities say as details of kidnapping emerge

Jayme Closs suspect wasn’t home when she escaped, ‘appeared to be out looking for her,’ authorities say as details of kidnapping emerge

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ETA:

This clears this up:

“Dalbec initially said authorities did not believe Patterson was looking for her when he was pulled over and arrested, but Fitzgerald later said authorities believe Patterson was.“

What we know about the suspect in the kidnapping of Jayme Closs
https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/01/11/us...atterson/index.html?r=https://www.google.com/

 

[Scrapper18]

Welp. This is the opposite of what has been posted previously. So where did we get our info from initially? MSM or just a poster who viewed documents online? I can’t remember now.

MSM, I would have to go search for the link again.

 

[The Dude]

Yes, and there may be other DSM-5 disorders as well. I am not a psychiatrist, but I have a post- graduate degree in behavioral psychology which I utilized in private practice.

I stand behind every symptom of a child ASPD I posted. While I do not think there is any treatment or cure until they offend and are locked away, I have hope we will unlock this tragic damage to a child's mind soon. Sooner than soon. ( We know it's closely related to severe childhood traumas, but many more children with severe childhood traumas are never ASPD than those which are).

I'm sorry you had to know the disorder in your home and life, and hope very much that you understand I am not condemning but trying to instruct that no one chooses this disorder. They neither choose to start nor can they stop the behaviors if it is truly ASPD with violence.

I'm sure they'll be picking this guys brain for years. Easy treatment, though - lock him up and throw away the key.

 

[Wrenny]

Interesting tidbit in the link about the ownership of the house transferring from Patterson's father to a credit union shortly after the kidnapping. Was it foreclosed on or sold? How did JTP manage to continue living there, with Jayme, for over two more months?

My guess.... the dad said, ok if you want you can keep living there, but you have to start paying the mortgage.

 

[mtnlites]

It was just a question. Often times in these type of cases there is a love connection and it isn’t random. If you really want to sleuth, you have to be open minded about these things.

And yet, so far, LE has stated that there was no known contact between JP and the Closses and that Jayme was taken against her will. While it is true that in some cases there was apre-existing relationship, in other cases similar to this there wasn't. So far, nothing has been released to indicate that Jayme communicated with this guy beforehand, much less had a "love connection."

 

[Zephyranth]

Just a small digital forensic reality check here:

There is absolutely no way that ANY agency can say with certainty, 24 hours after learning an alleged perpetrator's identity, that that individual "had no electronic contact with the victim."

It is simply not possible.

Until today--theoretically--police and FBI and other agencies had zero knowledge as to the identity of the accused (right?)

There is no way that within 24 hours these agencies, now suddenly learning the accused's name, were able to pursue and eliminate every possible digital forensic trail. My god, it takes months, sometimes, to even determine what someone's various usernames are/were.

It is not physically possible to eliminate all possibility of digital contact between two individual in under 24 hours. Entire agencies, in fact, exist because of this impossibility.

I'm sure police were being honest when they said they had no knowledge to date of electronic contact. That does not mean electronic contact will not be discovered.

I don't mean consensual contact; I mean whether or not he was stalking her. That cannot possibly yet be known, as they only learned his name in the past 24 hours. It will take many, many weeks--possibly months--to fully understand any online presence he may have had.

 

[margarita25]

Also noting that initial reports were wrong re: looking for other suspects:

“Patterson surrendered peacefully and was arrested "just down the road from the residence" Closs Douglas County Sheriff Thomas Dalbec previously said. Authorities are not looking for any additional suspects, Fitzgerald said.“

Jayme Closs suspect wasn’t home when she escaped, ‘appeared to be out looking for her,’ authorities say as details of kidnapping emerge

-this just reiterates how initial reports are often inaccurate as a case is unfolding. Crisis situations are especially good examples of this (Vegas Shooting for example), understandably.

 

[MKZoo]

Wonder why they are not giving out that info ??

Sheriff Fitzgerald has said several times that they do not know. I believe at the moment they genuinely do not know. There is no digital/online/electronic evidence that any of them knew JP at all. At least for the moment what brought him to their door seems to be known only to the murderer/kidnapper.

Imo.

 

[Sjm_qc]

The grantor is listed as the credit union, the grantee is listed as the father. Which would mean the bank transferred over the title to the father because the mortgage must have been paid in full and now the grantee(father) owns the deed.

I’m reposting the links to the documents (originally posted by BTTR), where you’ll see that the credit union is listed as “OWNER” and the father as the “SELLER”. The relevant dates etc are also listed.

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachments/a012e3b7-c65e-41ad-afda-33c57c682950-jpeg.163769/

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachments/bbc07f15-29ac-4f73-9dab-08e668e21a9b-jpeg.163770/

And with that I’m calling it a night .

 

[Wrenny]

Dude meets all the marks. Short, doughy, receding hairline, glasses, ugly profile.

6' is short?

 

[MassGuy]

Just a small digital forensic reality check here:

There is absolutely no way that ANY agency can say with certainty, 24 hours after learning an alleged perpetrator's identity, that that individual "had no electronic contact with the victim."

It is simply not possible.

Until today--theoretically--police and FBI and other agencies had zero knowledge as to the identity of the accused (right?)

There is no way that within 24 hours these agencies, now suddenly learning the accused's name, were able to pursue and eliminate every possible digital forensic trail. My god, it takes months, sometimes, to even determine what someone's various usernames are/were.

It is not physically possible to eliminate all possibility of digital contact between two individual in under 24 hours. Entire agencies, in fact, exist because of this impossibility.

I'm sure police were being honest when they said they had no knowledge to date of electronic contact. That does not mean electronic contact will not be discovered.

I don't mean consensual contact; I mean whether or not he was stalking her. That cannot possibly yet be known, as they only learned his name in the past 24 hours. It will take many, many weeks--possibly months--to fully understand any online presence he may have had.

They had communications from her end, from her devices.

They’ve had months to establish a connection, and found nothing.

She has talked to LE, and he may have.

She doesn’t know him, but somehow, he knows her.

The implication was that Jayme had no idea who he was.

 

[klind55]

My guess.... the dad said, ok if you want you can keep living there, but you have to start paying the mortgage.

Per: LandShark :: Log In

The credit union was the grantor and the grantee was the father. So the father owned the house.

 

[heed101]

How can LE know unless the suspect tells them?

They already know he planned and prepared...

 

[Lillymac]

Wonder why they are not giving out that info ??

This all came down late yesterday. The investigators just began. They are still wirking

Not sure if this has been addressed but I know some rural areas near me don't have access to gas and use propane or oil. If there were still some left in the tank could they have used that for heat and hot water.

I know there is snow on the ground, but what are the temps now and in the past months.?

 

[not.a.muggle]

RSBM. My comment was in response to someone saying they wondered how he was able to pull this off without someone knowing he had her there, especially during the holiday gathering season. And I said that even if he did have plans (which we don't know), they may not have been at his home. I did not say that people who don't get together for holidays are killers.

Sorry, I did not mean to imply you did. It was more of a general response to people asking about him seeing family for Christmas and not noticing something was off.

 

[heed101]

Just a small digital forensic reality check here:

There is absolutely no way that ANY agency can say with certainty, 24 hours after learning an alleged perpetrator's identity, that that individual "had no electronic contact with the victim."

It is simply not possible.

Until today--theoretically--police and FBI and other agencies had zero knowledge as to the identity of the accused (right?)

There is no way that within 24 hours these agencies, now suddenly learning the accused's name, were able to pursue and eliminate every possible digital forensic trail. My god, it takes months, sometimes, to even determine what someone's various usernames are/were.

It is not physically possible to eliminate all possibility of digital contact between two individual in under 24 hours. Entire agencies, in fact, exist because of this impossibility.

I'm sure police were being honest when they said they had no knowledge to date of electronic contact. That does not mean electronic contact will not be discovered.

I don't mean consensual contact; I mean whether or not he was stalking her. That cannot possibly yet be known, as they only learned his name in the past 24 hours. It will take many, many weeks--possibly months--to fully understand any online presence he may have had.

So true !

 

[SeekingJana]

Excellent & useful info! I hope everyone reads your post. And if I might add something. Don't leave your garage door opener in your car. If that's to much trouble at least be sure to lock your car and put it out of view. It's to easy to break into a car and get the garage door opener and open it. This happened in the middle of the night to a family member with one of the best security systems out there. 2 men got the garage door opener from her car and opened the door. She had forgotten to turn the alarm on so no blaring noise. Another fail, she didn't lock the entryway door because she felt no one could get in the garage door. Luckily she heard the door go up & called her son (who lived adjacent) to see if it was him. He immediately turned on the video surveillance and saw 2 guys in hoodies walk through the garage and to the entryway door. Flood lights blazing in a 4 car garage you couldn't miss (and they didn't care) one of them was turning the door knob to the house. It was literally a matter of seconds that saved her. Stay safe!

I meant to add new info about garage door openers. Thank you!
Most major garage door openers have only a few codes and frequencies and criminals do use them to gain entrance at least to a garage, as you pointed out so well.

There are now garage openers which can be added to an existing door, and can work for more than 2 cars. The system works off the lights of the specific cars which are somehow " sensed" by the door's 2 sensors on the bottom of the door.

My neighbor can have 100 BMWs but their lights are not going to open our door, as it is programmed to open our doors to our BMWs only. ( or any other car we buy and program in).
Also, because of the location of the sensors ( I think they are infrared or RFID), they would be impossible to find and disable by a thief. You choose the positioning very carefully when having them installed or installing yourself for added safety.
You also choose the car light switch pattern you want to use for each car.. there are tons which are possible. There is a safety override switch which raises the door in case of any obstruction while in use. Mine will raise if a little pile of leaves is in the corner near the outer part of the door.. We have to keep the driveway spotless, but that's also part of the rules for living here.