Found Alive WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *Arrest* #41

[Jabarn]

Well, I went into my resources to see if there is internet availability at JP's house, but the entire FCC broadband database is down due to the shutdown...

I guess cell phone service is in working order since JN was able to call 911. I know there still linger some outlying areas without internet service- usually neighbors have to put up some of the costs. I really think this neighborhood would have done that, but no way to no for sure. Wonder who was footing the bill for either his cell phone or Internet at the house (not to blame, but trying to understand).

 

[MemPat]

If he lied about it, the car seat his hiney occupied and the trunk where he put Jayme will tell what was true. I'll say that car will have all kinds of evidence. JMO

It seems to me there would be some high velocity blood spatter on his clothes. It often can't be seen by the naked eye because it's embedded in fabric. I don't believe he could have shot someone within that tiny bathroom space without blowback. I too would bet anything there is blood evidence in the car.

 

[ilovechili]

I guess cell phone service is in working order since JN was able to call 911. I know there still linger some outlying areas without internet service- usually neighbors have to put up some of the costs. I really think this neighborhood would have done that, but no way to no for sure. Wonder who was footing the bill for either his cell phone or Internet at the house (not to blame, but trying to understand).

it was a land line. it is on the 911 recording. but you just made me think of something. was she walking without a cell phone?

 

[MemPat]

If for some reason he was collecting or wanting to apply for unemployment benefits, I believe you have to prove that you are trying to find employment by sending in copies of job application you've filled out. IMO, for whatever reason he didn't intend to actually get a job.

I wonder if JP applied for a nighttime job thinking Jayme would be less likely to be able to escape in those woods at night.

 

[MsBetsy]

I read that she told her first rescuer that she didn't know she was being looked for. I'm sure it was JN but I don't remember which interview it was.

Yes, she had no idea they were looking for her, is what I read. Imo

 

[Jabarn]

it was a land line. it is on the 911 recording. but you just made me think of something. was she walking without a cell phone?

I thought JN called 911 once Jayme ran out to her, but it looks like you are right and it went down like this:

‘You gotta help me, you gotta help me': The emotional 911 call after Jayme Closs was found

 

[ab01]

it was a land line. it is on the 911 recording. but you just made me think of something. was she walking without a cell phone?

I'm not sure, but looking at cell service maps there appears to be very spotty cell service in and around Gordon, Wisconsin. Maybe a local can chime in and shed some light on the subject

 

[mtnlites]

And where did JP find all this out. I don't know about the trunk cord. Accomplices are unlikely because he seem well-read on crime and it is better to act alone. So - where did he learn all of this. The dark web?

I have come across this kind of information on some very basic websites and in movies.

 

[ilovechili]

I'm not sure, but looking at cell service maps there appears to be very spotty cell service in and around Gordon, Wisconsin. Maybe a local can chime in and shed some light on the subject

i only know the 911 call but at some point they did ask her for her cell phone number at some point and she had one. in no way does that mean she had it with her or the mission was not to get her safe somewhere first as fast as possible. no one knew where he was.

 

[MsBetsy]

As a teacher myself, my guess would be that rather than not remember him, they prefer to not be quoted in the press speaking candidly, or at all, about him. So the best they can say is that they don’t quite recall...

Although it is true as a teacher it's always the quiet ones you don't remember. The trouble makers always stand out, as well as the quiet but "helpful," but the ones who tend to hang in the shadows are easier to forget. Imo

 

[Trocroc9]

I wish his guards were able to make him sleep under his prison cot for 12 hours at a time just to feel the extent of what he has done. Maybe then he could feel something.

 

[Lillymac]

Yes, she had no idea they were looking for her, is what I read. Imo

Thanks. I can't find a link, but I know I read it or saw it.

 

[Gardener1850]

A quote from this article, which I see in a whole new light now thinking of the possibility she was able to hear her aunts and uncles at the press conferences and interviews:

"Jayme, we need you here with us to fill that hole we have in our hearts," her aunt, Jennifer Smith, said in a message released by relatives. "We all love you to the moon and back."

I believe the FBI helped craft those statements to speak right to Jayme in case she was being held and allowed to hear them. They wanted to give her hope and strength to escape at the first opportunity-- to know she had something to come back to. And now I think these words will help her heal too. To know that her family never gave up hope that she was alive and always loved her should help. If they had done the opposite, assumed Jayme was murdered too and instead focused on the perp and vowing to find him and make sure justice was done (as many people here thought the family should have done) it may have had negative consequences for Jayme while she was still being held. He may had gotten scared and gotten rid of Jayme. And had Jayme escaped and found out they all her family had given up hope she was alive it could be damaging to her psychologically. Those words were perfect. JMO.

 

[MemPat]

I wish his guards were able to make him sleep under his prison cot for 12 hours at a time just to feel the extent of what he has done. Maybe then he could feel something.

I bet we'll never hear the half of the indignities he suffers in jail.

 

[Jessthinkin]

Although it is true as a teacher it's always the quiet ones you don't remember. The trouble makers always stand out, as well as the quiet but "helpful," but the ones who tend to hang in the shadows are easier to forget. Imo

IMO he would’ve stood out to his teachers as more than quiet, but that’s just my guess... I’ve taught a few ‘quiet’ students over the years who also really gave me (and other teachers) the heebie jeebies, and every once in awhile I’ll google the names to see if anything awful has happened. So far nothing, at least that I’m aware of, knock on wood...

 

[mtnlites]

Hm. How about that picture of the high school kids and he is all alone in the back with his head in a book?

No, I do not think he was an average kid.

And I am thinking that the one grandfather is like the parents of Chris Watts.

They lost a grandson. Ok. Cry for us. Um, no

That picture simply told me that he might be a loner and didn't like the kids in his graduating class or didn't want his picture taken that day, which does happen, not that he would one day gone on a murderous rampage and kidnap a child.

 

[MemPat]

I believe the FBI helped craft those statements to speak right to Jayme in case she was being held and allowed to hear them. They wanted to give her hope and strength to escape at the first opportunity-- to know she had something to come back to. And now I think these words will help her heal too. To know that her family never gave up hope that she was alive and always loved her should help. If they had done the opposite, assumed Jayme was murdered too and instead focused on the perp and vowing to find him and make sure justice was done (as many people here thought the family should have done) it may have had negative consequences for Jayme while she was still being held. He may had gotten scared and gotten rid of Jayme. And had Jayme escaped and found out they all her family had given up hope she was alive it could be damaging to her psychologically. Those words were perfect. JMO.

I remember when the women held for years by Castro in Ohio said they were so hopeful to see on TV that someone was looking for them. The will to survive is an amazing thing. Somewhere tonight there are many people being held by maniacs. May they hang on a little longer!

 

[Wrenny]

There is at least one discrepancy about what occurred in the cabin: he said he struck the wall, she said he struck her back with a hard instrument.

I think those were 2 different episodes.

 

[Jabarn]

I wish his guards were able to make him sleep under his prison cot for 12 hours at a time just to feel the extent of what he has done. Maybe then he could feel something.

Is he is in solitary? I would assume so since this case is so big.

Thanks. I can't find a link, but I know I read it or saw it.

Absolutely that was said somewhere. It’s amazing to me how publications like Radar get leads that seem to be close to the source- they’d have to have a very high price to do so. I will say, when I read articles on abcnews.com or cnn.com, it seems like old news, to be fair. Also, the Daily Mirror. Can’t quite wrap my mind around how an online UK webazine gets quotes from the fam like they do.

Anyway, great ideas shared tonight that opened my eyes on some things. Jayme is still of interest to so many. Night, all.

 

[Wrenny]

In the US, as far as I know, it's against the law to start that type of fire with gas lines around and so forth. We don't burn down structures as far as I know.

No, some places are burned down by fire departments as training exercises. The one I watched was a property that had been bought by the city for road expansion. The fire department prepped the building how they wanted it. The actual burn of course was scheduled and well supervised. It seemed like they were having a hard time to get it to really all burn, but I later found out that they had actually lit it and put it out several times. By the last time I think things were pretty soggy. They got plenty of good training out of it.

 

[MsBetsy]

I believe the FBI helped craft those statements to speak right to Jayme in case she was being held and allowed to hear them. They wanted to give her hope and strength to escape at the first opportunity-- to know she had something to come back to. And now I think these words will help her heal too. To know that her family never gave up hope that she was alive and always loved her should help. If they had done the opposite, assumed Jayme was murdered too and instead focused on the perp and vowing to find him and make sure justice was done (as many people here thought the family should have done) it may have had negative consequences for Jayme while she was still being held. He may had gotten scared and gotten rid of Jayme. And had Jayme escaped and found out they all her family had given up hope she was alive it could be damaging to her psychologically. Those words were perfect. JMO.

Yes, now I can really see how important it is for investigators and family to always assume the victim is alive unless they have solid proof that says otherwise.
I remember the first victim of Ariel Castro saying how much it hurt her knowing her own mother gave up on her and just assumed she was never coming back, while the other victims families held out hope all that time. It must be a horrible feeling. Imo