Found Alive WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *Arrest* #41

[Wrenny]

About the fire department burning a house for training purposes:

Is that what is being implied, that they will do this with the Closs home? Imo

Someone here mentioned it as a possibility.
Then someone else said they don't do things like that in the US. I was just replying that they do.

 

[Rhenish]

They said he was, in Barron. If they've said since he was transferred I didn't hear it, but I would think so.

Jake Patterson Moved From Barron To Polk County Jail

BARRON, Wis. (WCCO) — The man accused of kidnapping 13-year-old Jayme Clossafter killing her parents is now being held on a $5 million cash bail in the Polk County, Wisconsin jail.

The Barron County Sheriff says it was an administrative decision to move Jake Patterson one county over. The sheriff said it was not because of any threats. Court matters will still be held in Barron County.

more at link...........

 

[mtnlites]

Makes you wonder if he was following here as well.....creepy IMO

If he was that intent on Googling himself and following the theories and gossip, then I would be more surprised if he DIDN'T ghost us (or troll us) on here. I feel confident that if he played on FB he was probably hung out on Reddit, too.

Before I put stock in any of that, though, I need to hear it from LE-not from someone who stands to gain attention for their group. I mean, I could start telling everyone that Stephen King visits my FB group twice a day, but that doesn't mean it's true. (No offense to that SM group leader. It's just that aside it being Radar, it goes against previously released information.)

 

[SeekingJana]

Respectfully, it's the only choice you have if you want to survive. Otherwise why bother with therapy?

Equally respectfully, we don't know whether Jayme will develop PTSD or not.
The disorder develops in some people post- trauma, and not in others.
Some people respond well to EMDR and talk therapy/ cognitive therapy and some don't.

Others will find great and lasting relief from the most severe parts of their PTSD with an anxiolytic agent prescribed by a physician ( usually started by a Psychiatrist. I don't want to get specific to this case, but another M.D. could also prescribe a short term medication.)

And, there are some people who try exceptionally hard: They may do some or all of the following :

Confront the offender ( IF appropriate for the person).

Are active in weekly or more frequent talk therapy and group therapy for PTSD/ severe anxiety/ panic disorders.

Participate with a very experienced therapist in EMDR therapy specific to their memories of the trauma

For an adult, the risk to benefit ratio encourages them to enroll and then take experimental meds. in clinical trials for control of long term PTSD...

Get away from it all by taking a month long relaxing Mediterranean cruise and Italian vacation, move far away from the area of the trauma and person or persons involved.

Vow never to think or speak of the trauma again, and try very hard not to think of it at all,

Despite ALL this time, money, pain, effort and so forth, they and their treatment team or mental health care provider decide together that they cannot function as they formerly did without ongoing supervised medication support and scheduled appointments for talk therapy.
( I am not speculating that Jayme will fall into this category at all and I have no clinical experience with children/ teens in actual practice, just in school.)

Jayme may fall ANYWHERE on this spectrum of treatments and things which may help her greatly. It's her mind, it's her life.
I believe she will do exactly as every human does: THE
VERY BEST SHE CAN TO LIVE A HAPPY, CENTERED, FULL LIFE.

** This is my hope, my wish, my vision for her. To recover, to show the low life sociopath that she is a strong survivor, realizing that the path to recovery is NOT a straight road. It is sometimes ( frequently) a very winding and circular journey but she never has to be without excellent care and resources to help her. **

With this sentiment stated, knowing the depth of emotional pain which can either linger or reappear at times, I bid you all good night and hope all our nights are safe and restful and all our days are happy and productive.

 

[Rubiconbob]

This is from best friend in high school..

A friend said Jake T. Patterson, pictured here in a yearbook, “never said anything” about girls during his middle and high school years.

That’s unique to say the least ...
but fisher goes on to say he went to house ... and his dad/brother sister were there...when he played risk.... called after graduation.. no return call...

Don’t know if that’s cause marine failure..

It’s all bizarre...

I’m not saying he didn’t SA jayme, but if that’s the case, I’d be suprised, but wouldn’t be stunned...maybe hoping..

 

[gngr~snap]

Evil Jayme Closs Suspect Kidnapper Jake Patterson Obsessed With His Crimes

Wonder if he followed here?

I wouldn't be surprised.
Not one bit.
Moo

 

[Gardener1850]

The article sounded like his mom moved various places up & down 53. But it doesn't make sense that he was living a bunch of different places as much as an hour from the cabin, yet still was going to the same school in Minong.

Jayme was able to go to school in a town she didn't live in (Cameron) because her aunt lived there and was listed as "family caretaker". I was thinking such flexibility in the school system might be due to small school size/very small towns and the type of employment commonly available (food/factory type jobs where the hours could be overnight). How far away could JTP's mom live and JTP still go to the same school? If his grandparents or other relatives lived in the district could he still have gone there while living with his mom?

 

[gngr~snap]

I always leave my keys in my car, but calling 911 if you see a person approaching your house in the middle of the night is a good idea.

Hit the panic button in the car as well, before dialing 911.
IMO

 

[Mercedes]

There's things you can do to help secure your environment, but there's no way to prepare for such a bizarre event as this. And the way real life works, you could walk out your door in the morning and get run over by a moose. That's life!

“A Moose?”

 

[Mercedes]

Yeah, I bet it was "internal." Imo

Real mental illness, as I see it, is a horrible thing.

I don’t think people sign up for it.

 

[Wrenny]

How far away could JTP's mom live and JTP still go to the same school? If his grandparents or other relatives lived in the district could he still have gone there while living with his mom?

While he may have been allowed to go there, I question how he could have got there. We've read that his father left the house at 4am for his commute, and his mother drove a schoolbus, so she would be at work during the school commute hours. Unless she drove up around Minong, but then you wouldn't think they'd say she parked the schoolbus at Haugen.

 

[Elle*Bee]

No, some places are burned down by fire departments as training exercises. The one I watched was a property that had been bought by the city for road expansion. The fire department prepped the building how they wanted it. The actual burn of course was scheduled and well supervised. It seemed like they were having a hard time to get it to really all burn, but I later found out that they had actually lit it and put it out several times. By the last time I think things were pretty soggy. They got plenty of good training out of it.

I lived in an end unit of an 8-unit townhouse complex. On the other side of my home was an abandoned house on a heavily wooded lot. We received notice about two weeks in advance that the house would be burned as part of fire department training exercise. I was very nervous as that lot and my yard had a lot of tall pines. We watched, though, it was fascinating and very well controlled. The house was really the only thing destroyed. A few trees were singed, but survived for years.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

It seems to me there would be some high velocity blood spatter on his clothes. It often can't be seen by the naked eye because it's embedded in fabric. I don't believe he could have shot someone within that tiny bathroom space without blowback. I too would bet anything there is blood evidence in the car.

I guess it would depend just how close he was to her when he shot, possibly he was just so evil and sadistic that he let her believe for a second he wasn't going to shoot her. Or, the cowardly whack-job shot from outside the bathroom door.

May the parents Rest In Peace now that Jayme is safe in the arms of her loving family, and may Jayme one day wake from the nightmare and have nothing but wonderful dreams and memories.

 

[MsBetsy]

Real mental illness, as I see it, is a horrible thing. I don’t

think people sign up for it.

Yes it is, and it can be completely disabling.

 

[The Dude]

“A Moose?”

I was replying to “CuriousMaine”...

They have moose there.

 

[Gardener1850]

While he may have been allowed to go there, I question how he could have got there. We've read that his father left the house at 4am for his commute, and his mother drove a schoolbus, so she would be at work during the school commute hours. Unless she drove up around Minong, but then you wouldn't think they'd say she parked the schoolbus at Haugen.

I thought she just moved to Haugen in 2018 when she got remarried? Not sure where she lived and worked before that. Also, what age is driving age in WI? JTP was 12 at the divorce but his siblings were both older and could have driven him until he got his license. JMO.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Jayme Closs’ parents were a ‘barrier’ to killer’s goal of abducting young girl, shot dead because they were in the way: Sheriff
The Bemidji Pioneer reports that prior to police arriving, Jayme reportedly told Nutter that the man who abducted her was once in the military, killed her parents, and “turns the radio up and sometimes has people come over while he is gone.”
Just found that and I'm wondering. There were visits of other people, when he wasn't present?

 

[Mercedes]

Of course there's no guarantees. Just death and taxes, as they say.

Maybe it's what she's done already - fighting to survive. Or the fact that she can smile at all, much less in every single photo. Or, as you mentioned, the support network and resources at her disposal. I believe there's at least a few reasons to be optimistic.

.

 

[Lillymac]

Equally respectfully, we don't know whether Jayme will develop PTSD or not.
The disorder develops in some people post- trauma, and not in others.
Some people respond well to EMDR and talk therapy/ cognitive therapy and some don't.

Others will find great and lasting relief from the most severe parts of their PTSD with an anxiolytic agent prescribed by a physician ( usually started by a Psychiatrist. I don't want to get specific to this case, but another M.D. could also prescribe a short term medication.)

And, there are some people who try exceptionally hard: They may do some or all of the following :

Confront the offender ( IF appropriate for the person).

Are active in weekly or more frequent talk therapy and group therapy for PTSD/ severe anxiety/ panic disorders.

Participate with a very experienced therapist in EMDR therapy specific to their memories of the trauma

For an adult, the risk to benefit ratio encourages them to enroll and then take experimental meds. in clinical trials for control of long term PTSD...

Get away from it all by taking a month long relaxing Mediterranean cruise and Italian vacation, move far away from the area of the trauma and person or persons involved.

Vow never to think or speak of the trauma again, and try very hard not to think of it at all,

Despite ALL this time, money, pain, effort and so forth, they and their treatment team or mental health care provider decide together that they cannot function as they formerly did without ongoing supervised medication support and scheduled appointments for talk therapy.
( I am not speculating that Jayme will fall into this category at all and I have no clinical experience with children/ teens in actual practice, just in school.)

Jayme may fall ANYWHERE on this spectrum of treatments and things which may help her greatly. It's her mind, it's her life.
I believe she will do exactly as every human does: THE
VERY BEST SHE CAN TO LIVE A HAPPY, CENTERED, FULL LIFE.

** This is my hope, my wish, my vision for her. To recover, to show the low life sociopath that she is a strong survivor, realizing that the path to recovery is NOT a straight road. It is sometimes ( frequently) a very winding and circular journey but she never has to be without excellent care and resources to help her. **

With this sentiment stated, knowing the depth of emotional pain which can either linger or reappear at times, I bid you all good night and hope all our nights are safe and restful and all our days are happy and productive.

This sums up what I said in my post when I said it's Her choice and I believe like you She will do it. Your quote repeated below.
I believe she will do exactly as every human does: THE
VERY BEST SHE CAN TO LIVE A HAPPY, CENTERED, FULL LIFE.

 

[Karinna]

I completely agree. She spent 88 days trying to survive. She has probably not had any chance to truly grieve.

BBM, This. Being no stranger to grief and trauma in my own family with compounded grief, i was thinking about Jayme might have a delayed grief reaction from all that she has been through. I know her family will do what is necessary to help her heal, and they will all be of good support to each other, because they have also lost beloved family members in the most horrible way as well. They are only all still very much in the very early stages of their grief too.
Jayme's of course is worse because of the additional traumas she was subjected to. All IMO.

 

[mtnlites]

Jayme Closs’ parents were a ‘barrier’ to killer’s goal of abducting young girl, shot dead because they were in the way: Sheriff
The Bemidji Pioneer reports that prior to police arriving, Jayme reportedly told Nutter that the man who abducted her was once in the military, killed her parents, and “turns the radio up and sometimes has people come over while he is gone.”
Just found that and I'm wondering. There were visits of other people, when he wasn't present?

This hasn't been fully explained. It's possible that he told her that others were there at the house whenever he was gone as a way to test her or to keep her hidden. It's not been verified to be true.