Found Alive WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *Arrest* #42

[BlinkOfAnI]

It is worth rereading isn't it?

Your remark about planning everything perfectly yep, that was an interesting remark. One part that bothers me is when he said he turned his head as he shot Denise. I have trouble with that one, we have Mr. Cold Blooded here. Was it not wanting anything on him...? Or was Jayme trying to struggle? Or is he lying? Seemed like he got a good aim regardless... I did not think he was going to take any chances, well planned again--why would you turn away and not be sure...?

Yes there is so much info it's taken me a few reads. Reading the complaint it says "as he started to turn away", possibly meaning to leave? The following paragraph goes into him leaving. Kind of disjointed so that's a total guess on my part.

 

[ilovechili]

I'm betting the family dropped by with some gifts. That place looks like a garage full of family relics and there's no way it got that way just since Christmas. Where exactly would a party happen?!

This story has become such clickbait I would imagine every outlet is adding a new element to bring in the readers. The source is most likely the Daily Mail which is famous for mixing a little truth with a whole lot of fluff!

Not to debate but the first source I saw it from, long before places like the Times had it, someone even remarked to me that at first they saw it and though nah, but then realized it was a more than reputable source. Compared to most. The worst they did was use the word "host". They had nothing more spectacular than that in it. They also called it a "gathering" and nothing worse. Not party, etc. Then other news orgs picked it up.

I see your point though. Because it is hard to trust anything. I do not think they just "dropped" by with gifts unless he had some way of knowing when they were coming. Drop by out of the blue? Maybe if he knew that was typical I guess at Christmas and happened every year when he lived at this home (and we still do not know he did before taking Jayme). If people just dropped by, someone would have seen her or he would not have time to prepare.

From which I infer there was a cell phone, a land line (he may have hid or taken cordless phones when Jayme was alone) or internet.

That is just my opinion. Yet I agree that who knows with media because for every one thing, there is then an opposite. Agree totally.

 

[Wrenny]

Since his basic living expenses were covered, he needed pocket change for cigarettes and things Dad wouldn’t buy him . . . Who knows, booze and fast food might also be included.

We don't know what was included. People have made lot of assumptions. If he didn't have to pay a mortgage, he could get by on under $1000 a month.

 

[Wrenny]

Not to quote the poster here but the content. He was never a washout as a Marine Corps. Pvt. He never made it past recruit! Recruit Patterson is all he ever was....

You may be right, but MSM says private.

"But military records show he lasted for only about five weeks before being prematurely discharged in October 2015 at the rank of private."​

Kidnapping suspect discharged early from US Marines

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

Unless we have things saying otherwise though that I missed, we have no way of knowing he did not have internet or a computer and LE took it. Maybe not but do we know otherwise? Even those pics were someone let in to take them or some such and I would sure hope after LE was done with the place. Or obtained from there. There are no totes, weights, etc. They gave him a car, a home, maybe internet too to apply for jobs, etc.? Hard to say. Yet maybe it was the reason for going to mom's...

Just a thought. He may have had internet access through a cell phone. I know people that do almost everything from their cell phones. Banking, emails, social media, etc..

 

[Julia966]

I agree entirely. The back is a bit confusing. The family could have left a light on in back at night or he could be referring to the bedroom light seen from the back. Or it could be motion activated. They may have left one on for a variety of reasons. I took it to mean though that the officer did not activate it, something had it turned on. If a motion light it could have been Molly. If a permanent light it could have been left on or family could have turned it on when Molly started barking.

I guess it makes me wonder or speculate (pure speculation) if they had reason to think someone was out back first... I mean Molly starts barking you would not know what necessarily about, even Jayme may have thrown back light on or certainly dad even, thinking at first like a dog will, it barked hearing wildlife or some such. And then checked the front and saw a car, etc.

Thinking out loud.

I think it's your latter scenario. LE saw the light in the bedroom in both references.

If everything went down as described, the Closses acted very quickly. Dog barks, Jayme and maybe her parents get up, flip a light on and James is at the front door before or right around the time JP arrives with the flashlight. It's amazing and horrifying, I can't imagine it.

 

[Wrenny]

I thought he went to his grandparents for Christmas.

That confused me too. But then I considered, family Christmas get-togethers are not always on Christmas Day. I have a friendd whose family always celebrates the Saturday after Christmas, so they don't conflict with ex's, the other grandparents, etc. Probably one of those was Christmas Day and the other was Christmas Eve or on the weekend.
How horrible, just another awful detail.

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

I so agree. I mean even a somewhat intelligent 21 year old could be naive for sure. But yeah. He stalked. No way otherwise would he know what to expect. And Hwy 8 is not exactly either an easy place to do that. imo.

They took 80 some boxes allegedly and that comes from the defense.

I remember the night of the escape the sheriff said he expected more arrest and they were serving several more warrants. The next morning the arrest part was dropped but the several warrants was stated again. Now those could relate just to him, his internet apps, maybe a store for receipts, hard to say.

But it was said.

It reminds me as someone said earlier about the beginning of this case. In the beginning we heard about a bathroom and then it started being avoided or we heard not sure. It stopped being asked in fact. We heard about a shot in door and then that changed as well.

Well the night of Jayme's brave escape the same thing happened.

Early on I think as she said as well, facts come out and then it gets shut down quickly when the ball gets rolling.

There is more here.

imho.

I have wondered if the statement from the sheriff concerning more arrests was made prior to verifying no others lived in the home. If others were found to be living there while JC was being held they would suspect.

 

[Ragnarok]

Reference my post #438; these are the pictures that I identified the number and location of the exterior Closs home lights. The small center window on the rear I'm confident is the bathroom window.

 

[ilovechili]

I have wondered if the statement from the sheriff concerning more arrests was made prior to verifying no others lived in the home. If others were found to be living there while JC was being held they would suspect.

Could be. It just reminds me though of changing the tune after the first flush of activity like all agencies talked and it was suggested to step away from it while investigating. It is also interesting to me that what is usually a very aggressive media in our nation are not asking such questions or the same ones... Yet I could be reading too much into it, without a doubt...

 

[Wrenny]

She was in his bedroom under his bed. He probably knew it would be unlikely for anyone to enter his bedroom (which was probably upstairs).

My interpretation was that the bedrooms etc are downstairs (the entry level) and the living room, kitchen etc are upstairs. I could be wrong though.
When I went to a relative's for Christmas Day, I didn't look under any beds. The only bedroom I entered was one which had been repurposed to a room store the kids' presents, to help carry them to the tree. There could have been a gorilla laying on the far side of the bed and I wouldn't have noticed.

 

[Vaderman]

The comment about him not coming more than 5 feet into the house has been debunked by both JTP's and Jayme's accounts. He went through the entire house. I could never make sense of that statement and it appears to simply be wrong.

It was never an actual statement. It was an example the sheriff used when asked the question how they could have so little evidence. People, naturally, went running with it.

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

Reference my post #438; these are the pictures that I identified the number and location of the exterior Closs home lights. The small center window on the rear I'm confident is the bathroom window.

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Appreciate your posting these. TY

 

[Deleted member 158085]

My interpretation was that the bedrooms etc are downstairs (the entry level) and the living room, kitchen etc are upstairs. I could be wrong though.
When I went to a relative's for Christmas Day, I didn't look under any beds. The only bedroom I entered was one which had been repurposed to a room store the kids' presents, to help carry them to the tree. There could have been a gorilla laying on the far side of the bed and I wouldn't have noticed.

I’m confused. Was the Daily Mail pic not the front of the house? If that was the back, I see what you mean. But it appeared to be a two story house. I assumed that the door with “Patterson’s Retreat” was the front.

 

[Wrenny]

I feel certain the district would not want Jayme crossing the street. Even if the district were to permit that, her parents would probably call and insist that the bus stop on the way west

My first thought was that it would only pick her up westbound, but then I examined my visual memory and realized kids around here may be picked up from the opposite side of the highway. They wait in their driveway and then cross in front of the bus when the driver has their stopsign out and have confirmed that people have stopped.
Rural Wisconsin, US Highway, so a pretty comparable situation.

 

[singlemom]

I don't think he planned this all the way through either. Organized and disorganized, indeed. I believe him when he says he didn't know her name. Just saw her and knew she was "the girl" he would take. He planned how to get her but didn't prepare a secure place to keep her. And I wonder if the reason he didn't kill her was because she became a human being to him. Her mom and dad would just be obstacles to get rid of. She would just be someone to take for his own idea of pleasure. But she turns out to be human and perhaps he sees her as a person and cannot kill her. Maybe he even got careless out of a self-destructive tendency. And it wouldn't surprise me to find out he has substance abuse (specifically, alcohol) problems. What with all the empty booze boxes in the yard. And if that is the case, the parents would indeed distance themselves from him. Not much you can do to stop someone from drinking, other than stop enabling them and that seems to be the hardest thing to do.

 

[Vaderman]

I can’t imagine the emotional pain that Jayme was in during the Christmas holidays. Imagine lying in a confined space playing the old home movies over and over in your head? Poor girl.

I don't know if this makes it better or worse, but I wonder if she actually knew it was Christmas or how many days had transpired since the crime.

 

[Wrenny]

Wondering what route his Mother drove?

Deborah Frey is a bus driver in the Rice Lake School District.
Mom of Jayme Closs’ Accused Kidnapper Works as a Bus Driver, Is ‘Totally Distraught’ Over the News

 

[Vaderman]

We discussed before that he and his family must have talked about Jayme at Christmas. (Didn’t everyone in the state talk about her?) Now it seems she was probably discussed by them while they were in the next room.

I'm not so sure on this. By the time the holidays trickled around, news was starting to dwindle on this case and people have pretty short memory spans as it is.

 

[Jabarn]

I don't know if this makes it better or worse, but I wonder if she actually knew it was Christmas or how many days had transpired since the crime.

Yeah, I think she may have been confused. She may have been let out from under the bed when JP was home, but the rest of the time, and while he was sleeping, it appears she had to go back under the bed. Not sure she got to look outside (she may have sneaked out from under the bed before, testing her situation), but all in all, JP confined her in his bedroom most of the time, IMO, just primarily out of control. We will see how it all went down. She is only 13 and hasn’t even made it to high school yet, so reflection on her part might be a while away.