Found Alive WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *Arrest* #43

[Harmony 2]

I haven’t made any of those posts, but I could swear that early on we were given the go-ahead to discuss what was posted in MSM about him, and MSM included his criminal background in many reports on his brother. So now I’m completely confused here.

I don't recall ever reading the information I removed in MSM.

 

[SeekingJana]

Do you think his sister or any of his family knew what he was capable of? I don't. But I could see his sister calling him and saying, "The cops asked about the car you're driving. They want to come take a look at it." What do you think he would have done next?

Snipped and bolded by me.
I think he would have killed his hostage, IMO, because he'd just killed JC's parents and has no aversion to taking human lives.
Possibly, if the turnaround time between sister's call and police on scene was fast, it would have ended in either a police standoff or a murder/ suicide.

I think everything that happened regarding that darn car happened for a reason once JP had JC and they were out of the county. Not the actual act of JC being held hostage, no, but in keeping her alive for 88 days without nutso being alarmed and killing her, or ending up in a SWAT/ hostage situation..
Once you've been in a similar situation, you understand quite well that you're the most expendable person there is to such a disordered person.

 

[Harmony 2]

I haven’t made any of those posts, but I could swear that early on we were given the go-ahead to discuss what was posted in MSM about him, and MSM included his criminal background in many reports on his brother. So now I’m completely confused here.

I don't recall ever reading the information I removed in MSM.

I did some research and located the information. I reinstated the posts.

My apologies.

https://heavy.com/news/2019/01/jake-patterson-family-erik-brother-father/

 

[sumzero]

Snipped and bolded by me.
I think he would have killed his hostage, IMO, because he'd just killed JC's parents and has no aversion to taking human lives.
Possibly, if the turnaround time between sister's call and police on scene was fast, it would have ended in either a police standoff or a murder/ suicide.

I think everything that happened regarding that darn car happened for a reason once JP had JC and they were out of the county. Not the actual act of JC being held hostage, no, but in keeping her alive for 88 days without nutso being alarmed and killing her, or ending up in a SWAT/ hostage situation..
Once you've been in a similar situation, you understand quite well that you're the most expendable person there is to such a disordered person.

Well, LE, if they worried about what the perp might do if they came sniffing around, would be hamstrung. How would they ever follow up on tips or leads? If they were worried that trying to track down a vehicle might put JC at risk, they never would have publicized their search for the Challenger or black SUV (either of which, for all they knew, could’ve been the perp’s vehicle).

 

[SeekingJana]

I am discussing what a previous poster said in a hypothetical question about him having gotten away with her from her house and hometown, then the possibility of finding out LE was closing in on him weeks or months later.

He's believed to be strongly into survivalist type modes of living. He'd killed 2 people point blank.
A survivalist who's also a self- confessed murderer would definitely kill their victim in order to have the best chance to escape.

I think JC lived as long as she did and was able to escape, because she was likely quiet and subdued, and likely JP didn't see her as a threat to his safety or survival. I'm incredibly sorry she was a hostage for 88 days, but equally happy she survived and got out of her own volition 88 days after capture.

Respectfully, IMO.

 

[PommyMommy]

Community celebrates Jayme Closs' safe return home
The man accused of kidnapping Jayme Closs and killing her parents is due back in court Wednesday morning in Barron County.

Patterson’s preliminary hearing will be the first time he appears in person in a courtroom. A few weeks ago, Patterson made his initial court appearance via video conference per protocol in Barron County.

Patterson’s preliminary hearing offers him the opportunity to hear the evidence the state has gathered against him before deciding whether to take the case to trial. Prosecutors strongly believe Patterson will stand trial.

Patterson will have to be transported to the hearing from the Polk County Jail where he’s currently being held. The Barron County sheriff said Patterson was moved from the Barron County Jail because one of Jayme’s relatives works at the facility.

In a snowy downtown Barron, dozens of signs welcoming Jayme home haven’t come down nearly four weeks since Jayme escaped her abductor.

 

[deugirtni]

Well, LE, if they worried about what the perp might do if they came sniffing around, would be hamstrung. How would they ever follow up on tips or leads? If they were worried that trying to track down a vehicle might put JC at risk, they never would have publicized their search for the Challenger or black SUV (either of which, for all they knew, could’ve been the perp’s vehicle).

That's exactly right. And to top it off, the man had already killed 2 innocent victims, and who was to say he wouldn't go on to take more lives, aside from JC? Do they do absolutely nothing, for fear something could happen to the kidnapped girl whom at the time LE weren't even sure was still alive, or do they use their facilities to make their best effort to both save the girl *and* any other random victims? And if in their wisdom, they truly weighed the odds and decided against announcing the vehicle publicly, there was nothing to stop them investigating from their wealth of data banks on such vehicles registered in WI. At least it would have been *something*, which may have led to a much earlier successful outcome.

 

[Seattle1]

Does pommy mommy or anyone know percentage of guilty pleas once u have confession and overwhelming evidence.

U have confession
U have gun
U have shells

Shoe size match

I am praying he pleads tomorrow and sentence date set.

On average, 94 percent of state-level felony convictions are the result of plea bargains, as well as around 97 percent of federal convictions.
Most criminal cases end in plea bargains, not trials

Today, more than 95 percent of cases that resolve in a conviction are the result of plea bargains.
The Rise of Plea Bargains and Fall of the Right to Trial | ACS

Essentially, the rate is high, regardless of evidence.
Innocence Is Irrelevant in the Age of the Plea Bargain - The Atlantic

 

[Seattle1]

That article really bugs me. It is trying to erase Jayme, as far as I am concerned. Oh, there was a liitle glitch in the town , but time to move on. Pathetic

I think your right don’t forget jayme... but if you ask Patterson family 1 yr before divorce they would all be saying same thing. Great fun small town. Either there was mental snap or jake is just evil... your probably right... bulldoze the house before the pro Gordon stories..

I have to disagree with your assessment of the article. Gordon is a town of approximately 600 people, and the article was written by a a reporter that once himself called Gordon, WI home!

When news broke about Jayme, the town was descended upon by crews and reporters in the hundreds-- from all over the world. IMO, the essence of the report was that although Jake was from Gordon, he was not even known by most who live there. That Gordon is known as "God's country," because of the people there including the wonderful families that assisted Jayme to safety. They are nothing but happy at the outcome of Jayme being reunited with her family. Gordon was never Jayme's home. It was the reporters hometown, and he probably wanted to calm the zoo atmosphere --vultures picking at bones, that his own industry brought to his small, quiet town. MOO

 

[gregjrichards]

The 21-year-old man accused of kidnapping 13-year-old Wisconsin girl Jayme Closs and killing her parents is scheduled to appear in court Wednesday for a preliminary hearing.

Jake Patterson is accused of murdering James and Denise Closs on October 15, 2018 and snatching their daughter from their Barron home where he held her for 88 days in captivity before she escaped on January 10.

Patterson is expected to be in the courtroom, according to Sheriff Chris Fitzgerald.

The purpose of a preliminary hearing is to determine whether there's grounds for a trial. Both sides can present evidence.

Man 'who kidnapped Jayme Closs and held her captive after murdering parents' due to appear in court | Daily Mail Online

 

[lukass_6]

I am not, and I don't feel that others are faulting police for *not* pulling the car over at the time, and I think it's good that they did not, as I fear there may have been slain officers in addition to the parents. What I feel however, is that police had their best tip sitting right there in their pockets, but they did nothing with it whatsoever. All it would have taken was a little research..

How many Tauruses in whichever color it was (red/maroon - maybe speak to a Ford dealer, look at some pictures), put in a small range of possible years, how many vehicles like that registered in WI, or even just within a 2 hour range, or whatever.. start *somewhere*. And start methodically checking out whatever comes up. Surely this address would have been of interest solely on the basis of it being so remote? And then further checking may have told them (should have told them) that a young sex offender had lived at that address at one time. Then, find out the same family still owns the home. Vehicle registered to a female, but perhaps that female, upon a little more checking, may also have another vehicle, etc. One little tip is how crimes balloon into becoming solved.

This may be an unpopular opinion, and that's all it is- my opinion-- but I think it's plausible that officer Fick did not actually see a car, or if he did, the ONLY thing he remembered seeing was ONLY a car, and no other details- and once JP was arrested and it came out that he had a maroon Taurus, LE added the more specific details to the criminal complaint (he saw a car vs. he seen a maroon Taurus with silver trim).... (almost to tie the whole thing together and present it with a bow) additionally, I also believe that JP would not have shot at officers if he was pulled over, especially considering how easily he surrendered himself (yes, I realize that he just shot two people)- HOWEVER, I think that that detail was added to the criminal complaint so that the public would give officers a 'pass' for not pulling him over- JP might have said he would shoot officers, but it might have been coaxed out of him (think- "what would you have done if you got pulled over?" would you have shot if the officers stopped you?" "yes, i would have shot anyone that tried stopping me") and then that gets added to the CC.) Just another perspective to think about- likely, I am wrong, but I thought y'all might like to ponder my crazy conspiracy (also, I apologize if this makes zero sense, I am half asleep)

 

[lukass_6]

I'm not going to continue to down on LE for the Taurus. I believe a higher power worked everything out to the smallest detail that enabled Jayme to escape and be returned to her remaining family.

I am convinced that if JP had seen an APB out on that car, he may very well have killed Jayme and disposed of her body. That car wasn't reported, JP relaxed, felt comfortable enough to leave her unattended at times, a wonderful angel lady took her fur baby hero for a walk, and a caring LE neighbor opened up his home for safe harbor until cops could come to her rescue.

It was a story already written IMHO. I believe in miracles even more so now and an occasional picture of Jayme smiling with her family and doing okay is all I need.

Now JP, he's a whole nother' ballgame. Time for this pipsqueak predator to serve out his remaining days behind bars, all alone like he prefers. JMO

this is something that still has me torn... yes, i would say that all of the cards aligned in jayme's favor for her to escape- a miracle from god or a higher power perhaps.. but why would that god or higher power put her in that situation to begin with? maybe this whole thing is part of an even greater plan that has yet to be revealed? Sorry to get religious, but this is something that i keep wresting with in my mind

 

[Forpsy]

I know this is unpopular.
Doesn't make it any less true.
LE dropped the ball, they just flat dropped it.
Fick should have said "hey, there was this maroon car driving in the other direction as we were going to the crime scene."
Who knows what they would have done with that information but it's information that they should have had.
Everyone is saying that it's better this way, JC survived, but what if it wasn't better that way? What is JP would have tired of JC and killed her on day 87? That car was a clue. A clue they should have followed. Yes it's better this way because it all turned out for the best but that doesn't mean LE should just overlook clues in the future because hey, look how well it turned out for JC?
They had a ball. They dropped it. Period.
JMO

 

[Niner]

Wednesday, February 6th:
*Preliminary Hearing (@ 11am CT) - WI – Jayme L. Closs (13) (missing Oct. 15, 2018, Barron, found alive Jan. 10, 2019, 70 miles away in Gordon), killed James Closs (56) & Denise Closs (46) her parents - *Jake (Jacob) Thomas Patterson (21) arrested & charged (1/10/19) with 2 count of 1st degree intentional homicide, 1 count of kidnapping & 1 count of armed burglary. $5M Cash Bond.
After being read his rights he confessed to killing parents & kidnapping Jayme.
First appearance scheduled for Monday, 1/14.
1/14/19 Update: Public Defender appointed. Bond set at $5M cash. No plea entered. Next Preliminary hearing on 2/6.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I know this is unpopular.
Doesn't make it any less true.
LE dropped the ball, they just flat dropped it.
Fick should have said "hey, there was this maroon car driving in the other direction as we were going to the crime scene."
Who knows what they would have done with that information but it's information that they should have had.
Everyone is saying that it's better this way, JC survived, but what if it wasn't better that way? What is JP would have tired of JC and killed her on day 87? That car was a clue. A clue they should have followed. Yes it's better this way because it all turned out for the best but that doesn't mean LE should just overlook clues in the future because hey, look how well it turned out for JC?
They had a ball. They dropped it. Period.
JMO

There is no way that LE hasn't been and isn't still beating themselves up over this. Yes, the responding officer should have shared the information with the others. Whether or not it would have been released to the public, and what factual outcome it may or may not have had is a hypothetical that none of us can ever know. Period.

Nothing will convince me that Barron County LE are sitting around now thinking or saying "well, we might have some clues in our current XYZ murder investigation/drug ring/criminal enterprise, but let's just overlook them bc we made a mistake with the Closs case and it all worked itself out"? That simply isn't a logical assumption and is a pretty unfair assessment of LE. IMO

We can simply agree to disagree on this one.

 

[SeekingJana]

Because the poster above my post said it better than I can. Thank you.
Bravo,@girlhasnoname.

 

[Jim_M]

Because the poster above my post said it better than I can. Thank you.
Bravo,@girlhasnoname.

Nicely covered. That happens many times when I’m trying to put thoughts to the page imo

 

[Forpsy]

There is no way that LE hasn't been and isn't still beating themselves up over this. Yes, the responding officer should have shared the information with the others. Whether or not it would have been released to the public, and what factual outcome it may or may not have had is a hypothetical that none of us can ever know. Period.

Nothing will convince me that Barron County LE are sitting around now thinking or saying "well, we might have some clues in our current XYZ murder investigation/drug ring/criminal enterprise, but let's just overlook them bc we made a mistake with the Closs case and it all worked itself out"? That simply isn't a logical assumption and is a pretty unfair assessment of LE. IMO

We can simply agree to disagree on this one.

You would be surprised to know how heartily I agree with you, even though I feel that the Barren LE dropped the ball.
What is that saying, "there are no atheists in foxholes?" It applies everywhere. We watch case after on these boards handled brilliantly by their various LE agencies. I have a major crush on the Sheriff that searched for Casey Hathaway. Further, you can bet your last dollar that if I were ever in need, 911 would be the first call I would make, and there would be no hesitation on my part. Having said that, though, I would hope that the LE in JC's case has discussed this as something not to do in the future.

 

[Ragnarok]

This may be an unpopular opinion, and that's all it is- my opinion-- but I think it's plausible that officer Fick did not actually see a car, or if he did, the ONLY thing he remembered seeing was ONLY a car, and no other details- and once JP was arrested and it came out that he had a maroon Taurus, LE added the more specific details to the criminal complaint (he saw a car vs. he seen a maroon Taurus with silver trim).... (almost to tie the whole thing together and present it with a bow) additionally, I also believe that JP would not have shot at officers if he was pulled over, especially considering how easily he surrendered himself (yes, I realize that he just shot two people)- HOWEVER, I think that that detail was added to the criminal complaint so that the public would give officers a 'pass' for not pulling him over- JP might have said he would shoot officers, but it might have been coaxed out of him (think- "what would you have done if you got pulled over?" would you have shot if the officers stopped you?" "yes, i would have shot anyone that tried stopping me") and then that gets added to the CC.) Just another perspective to think about- likely, I am wrong, but I thought y'all might like to ponder my crazy conspiracy (also, I apologize if this makes zero sense, I am half asleep)

Night of the crimes JP had the shotgun with him and was pumped after murdering James and Denise Closs. When he was pulled over he did not have a firearm to shoot at the two officers.

 

[girlhasnoname]

You would be surprised to know how heartily I agree with you, even though I feel that the Barren LE dropped the ball.
What is that saying, "there are no atheists in foxholes?" It applies everywhere. We watch case after on these boards handled brilliantly by their various LE agencies. I have a major crush on the Sheriff that searched for Casey Hathaway. Further, you can bet your last dollar that if I were ever in need, 911 would be the first call I would make, and there would be no hesitation on my part. Having said that, though, I would hope that the LE in JC's case has discussed this as something not to do in the future.

Be sure to notify Websleuths too, we will on top of it I promise.