AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #11

[andreww]

I hope they get DNA from somewhere. Unless he was wearing gloves I would think they could get touch DNA. Don't know much about it, I just think it's pretty cool that they can get DNA samples from all those convicted of misdemeanors. I hope it helps solve a lot of cases. I think it especially helps in solving cold cases. Jmo

DNA is useless unless the perp had previously been involved in some kind of crime that would require him giving a sample. Very few people have their DNA on file.

 

[Cardinal47]

Many of you, like me, followed the MT disappearance. I find this investigation so much like the hunt for MT. I was thinking it's time for a family member to step up just like Mollie's father did at this point in the search. Personally I think they need one good tip or one good video. I think LE is doing everything but there isn't much to go on. Kind of like a needle in a haystack. Can you imagine those LE following up on 1300 tips and watching hour after hour of video tapes gathered from so many homes and businesses. Fingers crossed for some good news.

 

[minnphatts]

Anyone who's been in any kind of scouting or camping program definitely knows how to do that kind of knot. It's one of the first knots they teach you.

MOO
I don't think that's a figure 8 knot. Though it's worth noting that a figure 8 knot is kind of a simplified "fisherman's knot/clinch knot" with less turns. Looks like this knot has extra turns/wraps in it. But the point is somewhat moot, either knot is very common for anyone who has done outdoors activities, fishing etc.

But is this a knot knot you'd use to tie on cushions? Furthermore, to clarify my earlier comment of the knot being "backwards". The rope that is dangling in the right rear doesn't appear to be the leftover ties to a cushion based upon how it's oriented. If you tie a figure 8 knot or fisherman/clinch knot or similar knot with two cushion ties, then cut the cushion from the chair where the ties are sewn into the cushion, you have four exposed ends of rope, not two like is dangling from the chair.

It's hard to explain, but if you're interested in this piece of evidence I'd suggest testing it yourself. I've got standard chair cushions in my house that I've been experimenting with and I can't get anything resembling what's dangling from that chair, and like I said, I'm an avid fisherman and tie all kinds of different knots.

It's possible that it is some sort of factory tied cushion, or we just can't see the other two ends of the rope/ties, but it's definitely more curious than I originally thought when reviewing the video.

 

[Cardinal47]

DNA is useless unless the perp had previously been involved in some kind of crime that would require him giving a sample. Very few people have their DNA on file.

Familial DNA analysis is a controversial method used to track suspects in crimes by using the genetic material of their relatives. Familial DNA Searches: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

 

[HarvestMoon]

Can someone post the links again to follow the Press Conference live. TIA

 

[PommyMommy]

Can someone post the links again to follow the Press Conference live. TIA

WEAU: Livestream 2
WXOW: WATCH: 4 p.m. update on Jayme Closs search
CBS3 DULUTH: WATCH LIVE 4 p.m.: Press Conference in Barron County – Latest on Closs case
FOX9 FACEBOOK: Fox 9

 

[Cardinal47]

Barron Co sheriff news conference will be streamed live on @FOX9 Facebook page & our app. Hearing from sources that the Closs family may break their silence & speak at the 4pm briefing.

Paul Blume on Twitter

That would surely be in the time frame FBI used in the MT case. Silence, the pressers then family.
Hopefully that tip will be next. The one that finds Jayme.

 

[andreww]

Familial DNA analysis is a controversial method used to track suspects in crimes by using the genetic material of their relatives. Familial DNA Searches: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

Same argument though, unless the family member is on file. DNA is a great tool for determining if someone was there or not, but its not ideal for identifying unknown persons unless they have a history.

 

[btfly547]

Yes, you're right. The dog was taken to her sister's house. Brother called LE. Here's a re-link to the entire log so everyone can see it. That way we can clear up all the inconsistencies in one fell swoop.
http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/barron+county+call+log.pdf

The biggest thing I got from the call log is the discrepancy I've seen in police arriving.

Call to 911 @ 00:53:26
Dispatched @ 00:56:01
Arrived @ 01:00:29

That's a full 7 minutes after the call was placed that the first responder arrived. To me there's a huge difference between the 4 minutes I've seen reported and the actual 7 minutes it took.

That's an extra 3 minutes to get out of the home and more time to possibly get out of town as well.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Barron County Sheriff's Department Red/Orange Dodge Challenger.I think someone will recognize this car and who's it is that owns it.Especially if they live in Wisconsin.I feel maybe this car will break this case or at least shed light on who did these murders and I hope and pray find Jayme.

 

[Millhouse]

DNA is useless unless the perp had previously been involved in some kind of crime that would require him giving a sample. Very few people have their DNA on file.

It might not help them ID the perp, but it could help convict one once they are caught.

 

[Cardinal47]

This might be off topic and if it is I apologize. But the Harringtons have worked so hard for this DNA testing. Please bear with me and maybe learn about this wonderful tool.

'With police expressing their own frustration at finding a suspect, Gil Harrington has begun speaking out about the tool, which recently helped California investigators nab an alleged serial killer. It hasn't yet been used in her daughter's case–- not because there's any law preventing it, but because there's no policy regarding it at all.



Gil and Morgan Harrington. FAMILY PHOTO
"That," says Harrington, "is not an acceptable delay to use technology."

The tool she's talking about is familial DNA searching, a process by which an unidentified DNA profile–- like the one investigators have obtained in the Harrington case, which linked it to an unsolved 2005 Fairfax rape–- is run through the state's DNA databank looking not for an exact match but for a close match that would identify a family member of an unidentified perpetrator and could point in the direction of potential suspects.

The method went high profile last summer with California's so called "Grim Sleeper" case, and now law enforcement officials across the country are wondering if some of their own toughest cases might be cracked with familial DNA.

You can read more at this link; Familial pain: Harringtons press police for controversial DNA test

 

[human]

Anyone who's been in any kind of scouting or camping program definitely knows how to do that kind of knot. It's one of the first knots they teach you.

Maybe someone was practicing tying knots for a class.

 

[Cardinal47]

Va. to use familial DNA in criminal investigations – The Denver Post
RICHMOND, Va.—Virginia has joined only a handful of states in using the genetic material from relatives to track suspects in violent crimes who have left DNA evidence at a crime scene but whose genetic fingerprint is not contained in any database.

 

[Colorado303]

I agree. I didn't grow up in a house like that but in a neighborhood that did have similar houses, and yes - the families usually used the garage entrances. The front door was for guests.

Having said that, if the dad normally parked where his vehicle is in the photos, along the driveway and not by the garage, it's possible he regularly used the front door.

My hunch is, though, the family usually entered the house from the garage level.

jmopinion only

I’ve been in several homes w/a side feeding garage under the house like the Closs’s. The interior garage door in all of them opens to the basement level. I would think most guests come through the front door, and people who live there probably use the front door unless they’ve just parked in the garage. MOO

 

[K9Enzo]

At the same time - DNA can be matched to someone - with no previous criminal history if it matched crime scene DNA. Match - bingo.

Rapist, who have never raped before have been identified this way.

 

[Cardinal47]

Aaaa the good news!
Wisconsin has joined a handful of states in allowing familial DNA testing — a powerful but debatable procedure — to identify suspects in murders and sexual assaults.

Familial DNA Solves Crime in Wisconsin - Forensic Magazine
www.forensicmag.com/news/2014/05/familial-dna-solves-crime-wisconsin

 

[DexterMorgan]

I sent you two links, both to Ashley Banfiled. The information from OP about the vehicles not being of interest anymore is false. They are both still vehicles of interest.

So do they still need more owners to come forward after clearing some people with similar vehicles?

 

[Jethro4WS]

I believe it's the two cases, one for the abduction and one for the homicide. They number cases in WI numerically and by the reporting LE. BNSO is Barron Sheriff's Office, and then the next numbers are the just numerically ordered.
Case Numbering System and Case Type Abbreviations – Wisconsin Employment Relations Commission

The CSF reference means that an incident report was also sent to CSF as required by law. LE are mandatory reporters. (can't link the site but if you search "serious incident report wisconsin" you'll find the info for that)

CFS is Call For Service. It is the identifier for this incident with respect to the 911 call center. There is zero reason to believe that the very first field on an 911 incident log would be anything but the unique identifier for the incident itself.

 

[MsBetsy]

DNA is useless unless the perp had previously been involved in some kind of crime that would require him giving a sample. Very few people have their DNA on file.

I still think its a good thing and don't see why every state doesn't do it. Every little bit helps. Many cold cases have been solved with DNA. You never know if any perp has been involved in a previous crime, in fact it is often the case. Better to widen the gap by collecting from those with misdemeanors rather than limit it to those accused of felonies. It is used to solve current crimes as well, and you never know what DNA they may recover. Jmo