AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #11

[MsBetsy]

The term caretaker could simply be that her aunt may have been receiving state funds, and they are referred to as caretakers as opposed to babysitter? She provided after school care and maybe some meals?

I think she was just someone who cared for Jayme, possibly giving her rides to and from activities, when both parents were working. The term caretaker was used instead of baby sitter simply because of her age, imo. I have seen paperwork for school and other activities asking who the primary caretaker is. I don't think it implies anything other than it was someone who was in charge of her care when both parents were not available. Someone figured out that it was her aunt, but I'm not sure where this came from. Jmo

 

[Le Singe]

Can someone enlighten me as to why LE divulging the location of the wife's body may compromise their investigation, but releasing the location of the husband's body won't?

It for them the vet tips if some come out and say someone confessed to them or they over heard people talking about the crime. They they can listen to the story and if it fits detail not publicly release then it is much more likely to be a legit tip. Also when interviewing suspects they look for people know things only the perp could know. They even uses these types of slip-ups by the perp in trial.

 

[CarGoVroomVroom]

Anyone happen to have both of the guys addresses who were marked as POI at the A&W station?

Search address and the trailer park address.

I'm going to see if the vehicle is tied to them and any potential other name and address. I need both addresses, pls

 

[jkloc420]

Anyone happen to have both of the guys addresses who were marked as POI at the A&W station?

Search address and the trailer park address.

I'm going to see if the vehicle is tied to them and any potential other name and address. I need both addresses, pls

they have poi now

 

[Ari_]

have the police said she was the target or taking because she was a witness

I don't think they have said either way. I don't think they know, or they have not said if they do know.

 

[DeepThinker]

We might not know a lot about this case, but one thing we do know is that the door was kicked in. Not only do the dispatch logs tell us this, but pictures of the door frame bear witness to it.

Do we know if the front door was the only point of forced entry?

 

[Mercedes]

The fact that the neighbors only heard two gunshots makes them unreliable to me. I think their intentions are good, but I'm not putting much faith in it.

IMO, and I certainly cannot vouch for the reliability of the neighbors overall, I respectfully disagree with your statement “because I think we can rely on the fact that the neighbors heard two gunshots because there were at least two gunshots fired.” Just because they did not hear anymore shots fired does not make them unreliable. I would think that shots fired outside could be more likely heard than shots fired inside.

 

[not.a.muggle]

One thing LE does know for sure is WHO made the 911 call. If James made it, the phone would be on or near him, if DC made it, the phone would be near her, and if the call was made by JC before she was abducted, then the phone would not be near DC or James. JMO. That might be why they know JC was in the house, the phone may have been found in her room or somewhere far away from her parents (where she may have been hiding).

I disagree. We have no idea what went on in there and the phone could have been kicked around, picked up and dropped elsewhere, etc.

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

I keep working this in my mind but could be way off so JMO. I know the police have said the arrest involving meth had nothing to do with this case but I can't stop thinking about it. The house was only away a few minutes away. What if the arrestee made a bad deal, didn't pay, shorted someone or a hundred other things causing that person (hopped up on meth & in a rage) to retaliate but got the wrong house? If it was a local person or school age the perp(s) may have known Jayme and spared her. It is a small town. Or the perp(s) simply ran out of bullets.

 

[photographer4]

What if it all started inside the house? What if we look at it from the inside out, instead of someone breaking in? Who else had access to the house? And who had access to the access?

Does that make sense though when we consider that police have it in the transcript that dad answered the door? Why are you answering the door if someone is already inside the house with you? The only way that makes sense.... hm...

THEORY: someone left and someone came back with the gun(s)? Seems unlikely but police *did* allude to someone may have had a misunderstanding with the family....

 

[bizzle2]

have the police said she was the target or taking because she was a witness

No. They aren’t even sure if the whole attack was targeted or random. Or at least have not said so publicly

 

[Ms Suzanne]

I think I remember someone saying Denise barricated herself in the bathroom? Maybe the chair was used to barricade herself in the bathroom.

 

[jkloc420]

I don't think they have said either way. I don't think they know, or they have not said if they do know.

i just think if she was the target, kicking a door down and shooting two people seems extreme. That seems like anger and rage to me. Unless she was sneaking out and the parents caught her or something

 

[LaBellaV]

The garage is underneath a good portion of what I can assume is the main level. I'll try and find a picture that better shows it.

We used to have a similar house except the garage access was from the back, through an ally. We had the main living area (directly over the garage), master bedroom/bathroom, and laundry room upstairs.

Downstairs in the walkout basement were two bedrooms (one with a sliding glass door that led to the back patio), a bathroom, and the door to the 2-car garage.

We always used the front door vs the garage for convenience since we walked directly into the main level without having to use the stairs.

 

[Mandie K]

they have poi now

where did you see this?

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

I keep working this in my mind but could be way off so JMO. I know the police have said the arrest involving meth had nothing to do with this case but I can't stop thinking about it. The house was only away a few minutes away. What if the arrestee made a bad deal, didn't pay, shorted someone or a hundred other things causing that person (hopped up on meth & in a rage) to retaliate but got the wrong house? If it was a local person or school age the perp(s) may have known Jayme and spared her. It is a small town. Or the perp(s) simply ran out of bullets.

 

[Ari_]

they have poi now

As of when?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I cant even remember which show was on at the time. I was reading the thread here when it was closed yesterday during the time.

So at first I wasnt paying close attention to the TV but when he was talking is when it caught my attention.

 

[Inthedetails]

Just because they did not hear anymore shots fired does not make them unreliable.

Snipped by me.

Those of us who think the neighbor's account is unreliable doesn't have to do with the number of shots she heard. From my reading of the countless posts, we believe she heard two shots. We also consider there may have been more than two shots, but LE will be able to easily figure that number out, so we don't need to rely on the neighbor to count the number of shots.

There are some of us, like me, who don't think the time the neighbor heard the shots is necessarily accurate. For one thing, she doesn't keep her clock on the accurate time, but a few minutes ahead.

I think she heard two shots, but I don't have confidence in the exact time she said she heard them. I think we've been putting too much weight on the time she said she heard the shots and we're all trying to figure out what happened in the 20 minutes or so between the shots and the 911 call. Well....maybe it was a longer stretch of time and maybe it was shorter.

jmo

 

[rainynights]

Transcript from AB's show 10/23/18: CNN.com - Transcripts

 

[MsBetsy]

I think it happened somewhat like that as well, and maybe any other gunshots that occurred within the house were 15 or twenty minutes later, and the neighbors were asleep by this time. After all, she said she rolled over and looked at the clock, but they did not think anything of it so maybe they fell asleep within 15 minutes and did not hear anything else. They didn't mention hearing the sirens or any activity after that, did they? As far as I know, they haven't mentioned that. Maybe they were sound asleep by then. Jmo

 

[Deleted member 122964]

A tiny spark of hope remains in me because I just cannot stand the thought of this beautiful young lady being murdered. I hope--somehow--that the community's concern to her reaches her spirit and lends her strength.

On a different note, I believe that there was more than one killer. Just the sheer brazenness of planning to overtake a large man like James, a mother, and an athletic young teen seems beyond a single perpetrator. To me, it see me both planned and carried out by at least two perpetrators. My opinion is only based on my gut feelings.