AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #12

[reallyslowmovement]

I think there must be someone who knows him, and suspects him. Chances are they are following this on the news.

I mean it could be one of those things where maybe someone is acting odd or strange and it goes unnoticed. When he does get caught people will see in hindsight something was off about them. I think anyway

 

[klind55]

This is my first post on here so a big hello to all Websleuthers!

One thing i noticed during the press conference earlier was the body language of the FBI officer. When asked if there was a suspect he was non-committal but he actually nodded his head a few times. I believe that, despite not saying anything, he is actually answering yes to the question by nodding his head. I hope this is true and that they do have a suspect.

My heart goes out to Jayme and all her family and friends in this case.

Hmm I nod my head if someone is asking me a lengthy question. It just means I am listening, not that my answer is yes.

 

[Le Singe]

When i was listening to the press conference I thought something was different about the aunts statement. I'm not talking in any way space or form about her demeanor or anything like that, i wouldn't judge that everyone is so different in how they handle these type things, I'm talking strictly about the content. The content sounded like the type of thing families say in press conferences where there is a really possibility that the missing person is a run away. In clear abductions i am used to hearing the family plead with the captor to let the person go etc. etc. I was puzzle by this because IMO the idea that this 13 year old ran way and is out there on her own 10 days later is ridiculous. I didn't know what to think, but it was an obviously an intentional tone and i think it was choosen by the FBI.

But, after reading peoples post here I totally get it and I think it was the right call. I think they are playing to odds the if she is still alive then she is could with a captor who see himself in some sick way as being "with" her and this the the type of captor that might be susceptible to humanizing her. I do think this is the best way to try to get a positive outcome here or at least by her some time.

Another really important piece is that this approach can be effective at emotionally pushing a family member or close friend of the perp past the tipping point of deciding to call there suspicions to the tip line.

Like several others hear i originally thought this could be an older "boyfriend" or other online predator, but like many others have said every day that goes by without a break this scenario becomes less and less likely. These days if you are communication with anyone you leave a foot print that, maybe not your local sheriffs office, but the FBI/NSA can find if they want to bad enough.

 

[MassGuy]

Another question on my mind regarding the presser today. I found the language from the aunt to be directed toward Jayme, didnt seem to be appealing to the abductor. We didn’t see, Please let her go, I know you have a heart, she has a family. She loves her dog, she loves this and that and has so much potential. We more heard an appeal to Jayme herself. What does this mean to you?

Objectively, appealing to a perpetrator who has already killed two people, is absolutely pointless.

Someone like that has more to lose by releasing her, than by keeping her captive. He’s not going to be swayed by emotion either.

They were trying to give Jayme hope.

 

[Schmitz5100]

I couldn't fairly answer this. As with cases like this I tend to be more focused on the missing, killed, the families left behind, and those who may have done this- more than the strategies of LE.

With due respect, that’s what I’m doing as well. Just tying to work it from another angle.

 

[Jabarn]

Can we put our profiling hats on and speculate about what we might be looking for in a perp? For instance, what does it mean about the perp that the door was shot in? What does it mean that at least one was tied up for some amount of time? Even what kind of people drive those kinds of cars? I’m thinking the muscle car might lead us to something. I know it’s all just speculation, but that’s just what profiles are.

Hey there mom of two crazies,

For starters, I am not sure we can reliably say the door was shot in. It may have been... and that would suggest an aggressive offender, willing to be heard to get to his target.

If one was tied up, it means the offender had time.

For the type of car, that could be a suggestion of the personality type, but we can’t be sure the cars were involved at all. There is some suspicion they could lead to a witness or directly to the offender, but we will have to wait and see.

 

[momoftwocrazies]

It would be easier to make some educated guesses there, if we had facts to work with.

We don’t know if anyone was tied up, the motive, or precisely how this crime went down. We also don’t even know for sure if those vehicles are even related to this crime.

Well we did see a chair being taken out of the home with loose ties. I think we can infer someone was tied up there or it wouldn’t be taken. The sherrif did slip and say the cars were suspicious, then retracted and said they are of interest.

 

[MassGuy]

Well we did see a chair being taken out of the home with loose ties. I think we can infer someone was tied up there or it wouldn’t be taken. The sherrif did slip and say the cars were suspicious, then retracted and said they are of interest.

My grandmother had chairs like that with similar ties, I think it’s part of the design. I’m not sold that they prove someone was tied up.

The chair could have blood or bullet impacts on it.

LE must think those vehicles are suspicious, as why else would they say that they are “vehicles of interest?” They obviously feel they could be connected in some way.

 

[Schmitz5100]

Did you guys notice that the sherrif spoke about people being on the 8 highway, he mentioned someone possibly seeing something on the side of the road. What can we infer from that?

I’m guessing they have some theories on how the perp(s) got away.

 

[Mysteries1974]

Disappearance of Jayme Closs - Wikipedia

Wikipedia page for Jayme.

 

[momoftwocrazies]

Hey there mom of two crazies,

For starters, I am not sure we can reliably say the door was shot in. It may have been... and that would suggest an aggressive offender, willing to be heard to get to his target.

If one was tied up, it means the offender had time.

For the type of car, that could be a suggestion of the personality type, but we can’t be sure the cars were involved at all. There is some suspicion they could lead to a witness or directly to the offender, but we will have to wait and see.[/QUOT

Regarding the chair. If the motive was to take Jayme, which is what many think is true, why tie anyone up? Could it be the parents weren’t intended to be killed? Why tie someone up just to kill them? Just processing here. Could it be that the perps wanted some info from mom and dad and tied them up to get that info? I know, I’m making all kinds of assumptions. Just trying to make a list of possible motives and scenarios.

 

[jcoast]

Did you guys notice that the sherrif spoke about people being on the 8 highway, he mentioned someone possibly seeing something on the side of the road. What can we infer from that?

Clothes

 

[MsBetsy]

It would be easier to make some educated guesses there, if we had facts to work with.

We don’t know if anyone was tied up, the motive, or precisely how this crime went down. We also don’t even know for sure if those vehicles are even related to this crime.

No, but if those drivers come forward they will want to question them about what they may have seen. They have stated that they would like anyone driving in the area between 12:30 and 1:30 to let them know. Maybe what will be more telling is who doesn't come forward , that drive the specific cars described that were seen on camera.

 

[Mollyandme]

What I saw was a bottled coffee drink. What was it, do you know? As I've said, I buy a vanilla flavored Starbucks cold bottled drink, but don't buy it often enough to know the name unless I'm looking at all of them in the upright cooler display.

it looked like a bottled caramel or coffee Starbucks Frappuccino (I have several of the vanilla ones in my fridge right now and I think the Frappuccinos are popular with younger kids starting to drink coffee as well)

 

[momoftwocrazies]

I’m guessing they have some theories on how the perp(s) got away.

Hmmm, interesting. Are you thinking they think they ran away on foot from the highway? Was the search yesterday in that location? Man, now i need a map.

 

[MsBetsy]

Clothes

Or anything out of the ordinary.

 

[LietKynes]

Another question on my mind regarding the presser today. I found the language from the aunt to be directed toward Jayme, didnt seem to be appealing to the abductor. We didn’t see, Please let her go, I know you have a heart, she has a family. She loves her dog, she loves this and that and has so much potential. We more heard an appeal to Jayme herself. What does this mean to you?

SABBM

That the family know more about this situation than the rest of the public ?
Not that it matters... they may have been told to not talk about certain elements of this case ; in order to not tip off the perp.
It wouldn't be the first time.

Remember the horrible case where a man murdered his pregnant fiance' , and her parents acted as if they were sympathetic to him during the presser... all the while knowing he was a #1 suspect ?
Not sure how they could stand to be physically near him-- but they held up amazingly. What strong people !

 

[Mercedes]

I think maybe it's helpful to discuss the mistakes of a victim to act as a warning for other innocents.

But you don’t have any evidence that this victim made any mistakes.

 

[HarvestMoon]

I think there must be someone who knows him, and suspects him. Chances are they are following this on the news.

Makes me think of Abby and Libby in Indiana, a voice and a photo- yet no one has come forward.

 

[Gardener1850]

I don't know why we aren't hearing just let her go. anywhere. don't have to speak to no one, don't have to let anyone see, but just let her go. I know it is important to catch whoever has her, but in my opinion it is more important for her to come home.

Maybe because that would make the perp feel powerful? IDK, just throwing it out there. At some point when we learn who murdered Jayme's parents this will get tons of media attention. He deserves none as far as I'm concerned. It is all about Jayme and finding her. They can deal with what to do with him later, after she is found. LE has put out the important info that needs to be out there to gets tips toward their investigation. All they need are people who care enough about Jayme to do the right thing and send in the right tips. MOO.

 

[jcoast]

Did you guys notice that the sherrif spoke about people being on the 8 highway, he mentioned someone possibly seeing something on the side of the road. What can we infer from that?

Clothes